Ginger what has he done that has been so bad? Who would you prefer to be in charge?
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I would rather YOU were in charge to be honest and after having read this article I dont think you have much of an idea.
Thats how highly I rate Sherwood.
get rid-novice learning his trade/no tactical awareness/too emotional/gets attached to certain players and is not objective in his assessment/stubborn/too young in age when compared to the old pros
in short Tim, nice but Dimmm , is crap and withteh lack of qualiities highligted above, will never make a decent manager
ginger and grandspurs you have given an opinion but no actual reasoning behind your views.
whitehotlanespur I agree with that he is learning his trade and that he is young, I wouldnt say too emotional, I would rather that then someone who sits there all game and doesnt seem interested.
I disagree with no tactical awareness, yes he has made mistakes but he has changed his tactics to play a holding midfielder and also at the start he changed it after playing the 442 system which I was worried that was all he had so then i also disagree that he is stubborn for that reason.
ginger and grandspurs you have given an opinion but no actual reasoning behind your views.
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I have posted my views and my reasoning behind them enough times on here and dont aim to repeat them for your benefit.
If you cant see what is as plain as day then please dont ask me to point the obvious out to you
grandspurs you are a funny guy
you come out with an opinion with no reasoning and then when i ask for your views you tell me that I should be looking up all your previous posts as if your sime kind of celebrity on here
you crack me up buddy!
you come out with an opinion with no reasoning and then when i ask for your views
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Right just for you I will run thru things YET AGAIN
Firstly as a player he was distinctly average, this does not necessarily mean lots but you can normally teel how well somebody understands the game if you see them play enough.
Secondly he has no experience as a manager let alone at this level
Thats without even touching on what we have seen of his management so far.
His team selections are bizarre to say the least. Experimenting with players and their postions when visiting a top of the league club is rank stupidity in itself.
Playing a high line when you have defenders with no pace or very little is suicidal to say the least. It shows little or no understanding of football. This was highlighted against pool at home where we were totally destroyed.
Not even being able to hold on to a 1-0 lead in a cup game with 5 minutes to go against a team that were dire at the time (West Ham League Cup) YET AGAIN proves that tactically wise he is an idiot.
I wont even mention the bizarre substitutions like yesterday. I know I have a good idea, we are playing well, we are dominating the opposition, we are 1-0 down and we need a goal. I know what I will do I will put two midfield players on as a straight swap and we still wont show any signs of scoring. Great management.
His man management IMO is appalling as was shown after the chelsea game. It might have catered for the angry fans but opinions like that are said in the dressing room and remain in there.
Do you ever see the likes of whinger or SAF doing anything like that? No of course you dont publicly slaying your players obvious endears you to them.
Letting the likes of Holtby go out on loan then whining because your players have no heart? Are you telling me Holtby had no heart?
Playing 5 in midfield with the wingers inverted, oh great that does not block the game up much particularly when you are playing a high line and compressing play as it is.
The list is endless and if you honestly cannot see his errors, which are regularly repeated, then I think you need to look again.
What is it they say? A mistake is acceptable repeating the same task using the same process and expecting a different result is not a mistake its stupidity
Thats just glossing over things quickly for me to highlight every bit of stupidity Sherwood has shown since he has been appointed would take most of the week so I think thats enough to be getting on with.
Unlike some I did not need to wait and see how he got on from the moment he was appointed I said he would fail and no amount of experience will make him any better than he is because football management is an ability you either have or you dont and he does not have it and never will have.
Oh and one other thing which his pretty baffling.
Why from the opening minute is Sherwood screaming and shouting on the touchline like a lunatic? Is he telling us that after days of preparation with a few minutes ALL the players are doing something wrong?
If they are it speaks absolute volumes for his preparation procedure
Sherwood should probably be let go for his own good. The man is not emotionally ready. Spurs played very well against Chelsea, until a defensive mistake early in the second half, yet he publicly criticized his team. They deserved a point yesterday. However, his early game sideline tantrum and his tossing the ball at the Arsenal player in the second half is unacceptable "Pardew like" behavior.
The F.A. needs to put ALL sideline club personnel on notice, BEFORE we have a "free-for-all", including fans, and people get hurt. Any sideline club official who gets involved with the players should get a minimum 5 game stadium ban and a huge fine. We don't want our football stadiums to have wire fences around them, do we?
Spurs played very well against Chelsea, until a defensive mistake early in the second half
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Well thats a matter of opinion because most think that both teams were dreadful and I agree with them.
We should have conceeded twice in the first 5 minutes and they had two good chances after that and you reckon we played well?
We had about two shots all game and you reckoned we played well?
Jesus you really do have low expectations
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Jesus you really do have low expectations
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grand,
I was merely expressing my opinion, why do you have to be such an irreverant, ignorant dolt?
Many "experts" praised Spurs for their game tactics against Chelsea and I, and many others, happen to happen to agree. I have a feeling that your glass is always "half-empty".
Many "experts" praised Spurs for their game tactics against Chelsea
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Who exactly?
I was merely expressing my opinion, why do you have to be such an irreverant, ignorant dolt?
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To be honest if you think we played well against chelsea for 56 minutes then there is only one ignorant dolt out of the two of us and its not me
Am I wrong should we not have been 2-0 down after 5 minutes? Should Lloris not have been sent off?
Did they not have a couple of other good chances to score 1st half? Did we manage more than two worthwhile attacks?
Did we lost 4-0?
and you think I am ignorant
Maybe I am but thankfully I am not totally blind and ridiculously stupid, I will leave you holding those two qualifications among many others that are not complimentary
Grand thank for expressing your views, I feel honoured!
I do have some disagreements with you though.
Firstly Sherwood was a very good player in his day, maybe not the best for spurs but the guy was captain when Blackburn won the prem.
The substitutions in yesterday's game I don't think were bad, maybe he took too long in putting soldado on but we were dominating and I think he was concerned if he put another striker on we would then lose the midfield battle.
He took Sandro off as he was on a booking and very close to getting another. He took Chadli off as I think he was running out of gas.
The subs and performance was decent just the scoreline wasn't.
Firstly Sherwood was a very good player in his day, maybe not the best for spurs but the guy was captain when Blackburn won the prem.
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Sammy Lee won league winning medals with pool was he a good player? Emlyn Hughes was theri captain and won loads, was he a good player?
Tim Sherwood as a player for THFC was worse than average, he dwelt on the ball in midfield and got caught in possesion more times than I can care to name and he played like he thought he was something special and trust me for THFC he was distinctly average.
The substitutions in yesterday's game I don't think were bad, maybe he took too long in putting soldado on but we were dominating and I think he was concerned if he put another striker on we would then lose the midfield battle.
Not bad? Putting Siggy on was a pure and total waste of time. Yes we may have lost the midfield battle but the way he did the subs we lost the game instead, a good manager knows when to gamble and when to push things do you honestly think SAF would have waited until the last 8 minutes to try and have a positive effect on the game? No chance
He took Sandro off as he was on a booking and very close to getting another. He took Chadli off as I think he was running out of gas. Sandro is almost permanently on a booking going by your reasoning he would be taken off after 30 minutes of every game . Chadli went off the boil totally after a good first half and a good tactical move would have been to drag him out wide and play Eriksen in the centre, probably why Sherwood never done that or even realised it was possible. In fact we should have lined up like that if I am honest with those two players assuming their normal positions instead of both being played out of position.
The subs and performance was decent just the scoreline wasn't.
No the performance was an improvement only in as much as the team showed a bit of bottle for a change. Are you forgetting that during the 1st 30 minutes we should have been 3-0 down? That our high line was torn to pieces time and time again and that we were actually extremely fortunate to only be one goal down.
If that fails to convince then cast your mind back to our actual reasonable goalscoring chances, it should not take long.
woolwich scored and then sat in their own half for the majority of the game and we were still totally ineffective and unlikely to score. Hardly a good performance at home in my eyes.
The only reason most fans are relatively pleased with out performance is because we showed a bit of passion and never lost 3/4 nil like a lot were expecting.
That hardly constitutes a good performance and all you have to look at is how Tims subsitutions effected the game. Its simple they did not effect the game at all barring the fact that we were a little less effective once the double sub was made.
1-0 down dominating possession under virtually no threat but our "manager" cannot make a substitution that might actually effect the outcome of the game until 8 minutes to go. Yet another reason why I have no time for Sherwood
Sammy lee and emlyn Hughes were before my time I'm 32 but I bet you can't tell me a poor captain who has won the prem!
Tim made the subs to make an impact but it didn't happen. You don't rate Tim but then you compare him to saf who was possibly the greatest manager of all time.
I understand some of your points and I did say in my original article that Tim has made mistakes but I'm sure he will admit that as well.
My concern is getting a new man in and then it all being a massive change again and we are back to square one and this has been going on too long.
It's easier just to write off the manager and I'm not sure with whoever we get you would be happy.
It's easier just to write off the manager and I'm not sure with whoever we get you would be happy.
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I dont consider Tim a manager and he does not even have the badges to prove it does he? If we were sacking an established experienced manager I might think differently but we are sacking a novice how performs like a novice so its hardly going to be a major hiccup is it?
I'm not sure with whoever we get you would be happy.
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You would be dead right if the team put in some of the performances they have this season, city home and away, pool at home, norwich away, damn the list is endless.
BTW was David Batty not captain the year Leeds won the premiership in its first year? If he was you have your crap prem winning team captain
No sorry Leeds won the last year of the old 1st division the year before the prem started
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Yes I did correct myself
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Maybe I am but thankfully I am not totally blind and ridiculously stupid, I will leave you holding those two qualifications among many others that are not complimentary
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grandspurs,
Thank you for your kind regards. Remember, it's only a game, now go get a good night's sleep and hopefully you will feel better in the morning.
Should of given Hoddle short term control
Thank you for your kind regards. Remember, it's only a game
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No problem and its only a game if you are a casual fan for a real supporter its a bit more than that.
Thats probably why I have put myself out to learn a bit about the game while you, well we have already seen what you think
BTW if you are having an early night I would suggest a good book. Try one on football and hopefully you might be able to make a sensible comment tomorrow
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posted on 17/3/14
Ginger what has he done that has been so bad? Who would you prefer to be in charge?
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I would rather YOU were in charge to be honest and after having read this article I dont think you have much of an idea.
Thats how highly I rate Sherwood.
posted on 17/3/14
get rid-novice learning his trade/no tactical awareness/too emotional/gets attached to certain players and is not objective in his assessment/stubborn/too young in age when compared to the old pros
in short Tim, nice but Dimmm , is crap and withteh lack of qualiities highligted above, will never make a decent manager
posted on 17/3/14
ginger and grandspurs you have given an opinion but no actual reasoning behind your views.
whitehotlanespur I agree with that he is learning his trade and that he is young, I wouldnt say too emotional, I would rather that then someone who sits there all game and doesnt seem interested.
I disagree with no tactical awareness, yes he has made mistakes but he has changed his tactics to play a holding midfielder and also at the start he changed it after playing the 442 system which I was worried that was all he had so then i also disagree that he is stubborn for that reason.
posted on 17/3/14
ginger and grandspurs you have given an opinion but no actual reasoning behind your views.
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I have posted my views and my reasoning behind them enough times on here and dont aim to repeat them for your benefit.
If you cant see what is as plain as day then please dont ask me to point the obvious out to you
posted on 17/3/14
grandspurs you are a funny guy
you come out with an opinion with no reasoning and then when i ask for your views you tell me that I should be looking up all your previous posts as if your sime kind of celebrity on here
you crack me up buddy!
posted on 17/3/14
you come out with an opinion with no reasoning and then when i ask for your views
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Right just for you I will run thru things YET AGAIN
Firstly as a player he was distinctly average, this does not necessarily mean lots but you can normally teel how well somebody understands the game if you see them play enough.
Secondly he has no experience as a manager let alone at this level
Thats without even touching on what we have seen of his management so far.
His team selections are bizarre to say the least. Experimenting with players and their postions when visiting a top of the league club is rank stupidity in itself.
Playing a high line when you have defenders with no pace or very little is suicidal to say the least. It shows little or no understanding of football. This was highlighted against pool at home where we were totally destroyed.
Not even being able to hold on to a 1-0 lead in a cup game with 5 minutes to go against a team that were dire at the time (West Ham League Cup) YET AGAIN proves that tactically wise he is an idiot.
I wont even mention the bizarre substitutions like yesterday. I know I have a good idea, we are playing well, we are dominating the opposition, we are 1-0 down and we need a goal. I know what I will do I will put two midfield players on as a straight swap and we still wont show any signs of scoring. Great management.
His man management IMO is appalling as was shown after the chelsea game. It might have catered for the angry fans but opinions like that are said in the dressing room and remain in there.
Do you ever see the likes of whinger or SAF doing anything like that? No of course you dont publicly slaying your players obvious endears you to them.
Letting the likes of Holtby go out on loan then whining because your players have no heart? Are you telling me Holtby had no heart?
Playing 5 in midfield with the wingers inverted, oh great that does not block the game up much particularly when you are playing a high line and compressing play as it is.
The list is endless and if you honestly cannot see his errors, which are regularly repeated, then I think you need to look again.
What is it they say? A mistake is acceptable repeating the same task using the same process and expecting a different result is not a mistake its stupidity
Thats just glossing over things quickly for me to highlight every bit of stupidity Sherwood has shown since he has been appointed would take most of the week so I think thats enough to be getting on with.
Unlike some I did not need to wait and see how he got on from the moment he was appointed I said he would fail and no amount of experience will make him any better than he is because football management is an ability you either have or you dont and he does not have it and never will have.
posted on 17/3/14
Oh and one other thing which his pretty baffling.
Why from the opening minute is Sherwood screaming and shouting on the touchline like a lunatic? Is he telling us that after days of preparation with a few minutes ALL the players are doing something wrong?
If they are it speaks absolute volumes for his preparation procedure
posted on 17/3/14
Sherwood should probably be let go for his own good. The man is not emotionally ready. Spurs played very well against Chelsea, until a defensive mistake early in the second half, yet he publicly criticized his team. They deserved a point yesterday. However, his early game sideline tantrum and his tossing the ball at the Arsenal player in the second half is unacceptable "Pardew like" behavior.
The F.A. needs to put ALL sideline club personnel on notice, BEFORE we have a "free-for-all", including fans, and people get hurt. Any sideline club official who gets involved with the players should get a minimum 5 game stadium ban and a huge fine. We don't want our football stadiums to have wire fences around them, do we?
posted on 17/3/14
Spurs played very well against Chelsea, until a defensive mistake early in the second half
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Well thats a matter of opinion because most think that both teams were dreadful and I agree with them.
We should have conceeded twice in the first 5 minutes and they had two good chances after that and you reckon we played well?
We had about two shots all game and you reckoned we played well?
Jesus you really do have low expectations
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Jesus you really do have low expectations
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grand,
I was merely expressing my opinion, why do you have to be such an irreverant, ignorant dolt?
Many "experts" praised Spurs for their game tactics against Chelsea and I, and many others, happen to happen to agree. I have a feeling that your glass is always "half-empty".
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Many "experts" praised Spurs for their game tactics against Chelsea
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Who exactly?
I was merely expressing my opinion, why do you have to be such an irreverant, ignorant dolt?
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To be honest if you think we played well against chelsea for 56 minutes then there is only one ignorant dolt out of the two of us and its not me
Am I wrong should we not have been 2-0 down after 5 minutes? Should Lloris not have been sent off?
Did they not have a couple of other good chances to score 1st half? Did we manage more than two worthwhile attacks?
Did we lost 4-0?
and you think I am ignorant
Maybe I am but thankfully I am not totally blind and ridiculously stupid, I will leave you holding those two qualifications among many others that are not complimentary
posted on 17/3/14
Grand thank for expressing your views, I feel honoured!
I do have some disagreements with you though.
Firstly Sherwood was a very good player in his day, maybe not the best for spurs but the guy was captain when Blackburn won the prem.
The substitutions in yesterday's game I don't think were bad, maybe he took too long in putting soldado on but we were dominating and I think he was concerned if he put another striker on we would then lose the midfield battle.
He took Sandro off as he was on a booking and very close to getting another. He took Chadli off as I think he was running out of gas.
The subs and performance was decent just the scoreline wasn't.
posted on 17/3/14
Firstly Sherwood was a very good player in his day, maybe not the best for spurs but the guy was captain when Blackburn won the prem.
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Sammy Lee won league winning medals with pool was he a good player? Emlyn Hughes was theri captain and won loads, was he a good player?
Tim Sherwood as a player for THFC was worse than average, he dwelt on the ball in midfield and got caught in possesion more times than I can care to name and he played like he thought he was something special and trust me for THFC he was distinctly average.
The substitutions in yesterday's game I don't think were bad, maybe he took too long in putting soldado on but we were dominating and I think he was concerned if he put another striker on we would then lose the midfield battle.
Not bad? Putting Siggy on was a pure and total waste of time. Yes we may have lost the midfield battle but the way he did the subs we lost the game instead, a good manager knows when to gamble and when to push things do you honestly think SAF would have waited until the last 8 minutes to try and have a positive effect on the game? No chance
He took Sandro off as he was on a booking and very close to getting another. He took Chadli off as I think he was running out of gas. Sandro is almost permanently on a booking going by your reasoning he would be taken off after 30 minutes of every game . Chadli went off the boil totally after a good first half and a good tactical move would have been to drag him out wide and play Eriksen in the centre, probably why Sherwood never done that or even realised it was possible. In fact we should have lined up like that if I am honest with those two players assuming their normal positions instead of both being played out of position.
The subs and performance was decent just the scoreline wasn't.
No the performance was an improvement only in as much as the team showed a bit of bottle for a change. Are you forgetting that during the 1st 30 minutes we should have been 3-0 down? That our high line was torn to pieces time and time again and that we were actually extremely fortunate to only be one goal down.
If that fails to convince then cast your mind back to our actual reasonable goalscoring chances, it should not take long.
woolwich scored and then sat in their own half for the majority of the game and we were still totally ineffective and unlikely to score. Hardly a good performance at home in my eyes.
The only reason most fans are relatively pleased with out performance is because we showed a bit of passion and never lost 3/4 nil like a lot were expecting.
That hardly constitutes a good performance and all you have to look at is how Tims subsitutions effected the game. Its simple they did not effect the game at all barring the fact that we were a little less effective once the double sub was made.
1-0 down dominating possession under virtually no threat but our "manager" cannot make a substitution that might actually effect the outcome of the game until 8 minutes to go. Yet another reason why I have no time for Sherwood
posted on 17/3/14
Sammy lee and emlyn Hughes were before my time I'm 32 but I bet you can't tell me a poor captain who has won the prem!
Tim made the subs to make an impact but it didn't happen. You don't rate Tim but then you compare him to saf who was possibly the greatest manager of all time.
I understand some of your points and I did say in my original article that Tim has made mistakes but I'm sure he will admit that as well.
My concern is getting a new man in and then it all being a massive change again and we are back to square one and this has been going on too long.
It's easier just to write off the manager and I'm not sure with whoever we get you would be happy.
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*would NOT be happy
posted on 17/3/14
It's easier just to write off the manager and I'm not sure with whoever we get you would be happy.
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I dont consider Tim a manager and he does not even have the badges to prove it does he? If we were sacking an established experienced manager I might think differently but we are sacking a novice how performs like a novice so its hardly going to be a major hiccup is it?
I'm not sure with whoever we get you would be happy.
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You would be dead right if the team put in some of the performances they have this season, city home and away, pool at home, norwich away, damn the list is endless.
BTW was David Batty not captain the year Leeds won the premiership in its first year? If he was you have your crap prem winning team captain
posted on 17/3/14
No sorry Leeds won the last year of the old 1st division the year before the prem started
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Leeds have never won the premership
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posted on 17/3/14
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Maybe I am but thankfully I am not totally blind and ridiculously stupid, I will leave you holding those two qualifications among many others that are not complimentary
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grandspurs,
Thank you for your kind regards. Remember, it's only a game, now go get a good night's sleep and hopefully you will feel better in the morning.
posted on 17/3/14
Should of given Hoddle short term control
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Thank you for your kind regards. Remember, it's only a game
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No problem and its only a game if you are a casual fan for a real supporter its a bit more than that.
Thats probably why I have put myself out to learn a bit about the game while you, well we have already seen what you think
BTW if you are having an early night I would suggest a good book. Try one on football and hopefully you might be able to make a sensible comment tomorrow
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