Would Klopp really leave Dortmund for Arsenal? I think he'd be a fantastic manager to move us on, our issue is probably less about ability and more about mentality, so yes I think either would move us forwards
The rot has set in and you're right AW has probably stayed a season or two longer thane should've. The power that has been taken by our manager is partly down to the lack of real football people at the club, whether this has been by design or intention it is eating away at the club.
There are a number if top hungry young managers that would leap at the chance to manage Arsenal but whether the board has the nous to appoint such a man is the million dollar question.
Any manager with a degree of tactical nous IMO could do a better job than AW is currently doing.
Wenger doesn't do tactics, he sends the team out and says "just play". Back in the invincible era that was fine coz we had players that knew and had the winning mentality but in recent years the players need more instruction about the opposition's strengths and weaknesses which they clearly are not getting at the moment.
Wenger has spent enough time with Arsenal winning nothing with the same approach and mistakes, year after year, after year. It's time for a new manager at A.F.C.
Anyone who used tactics or proper preperation would give this current squad a better chance to win more games.
"Back in the invincible era that was fine coz we had players that knew and had the winning mentality"
More to do with just being more talented than everyone else.
"Back in the invincible era that was fine coz we had players that knew and had the winning mentality"
More to do with just being more talented than everyone else.
Yes, that goes without saying but at the start of this season when we were top many were saying this squad, albeit thin, is the best we've had in years, so to go that extra mile and win the bigger games the current players need instruction which they're clearly not getting. Preparation is key but this is not happening now.
Klopps lost 7 league games, same us in less games so far and in a worse league. and he did pretty much the same last season. I think he's a great manager but it's so deluded how people harshly criticise Wenger and then say how amazing Klopp is. clueless.
"Klopps lost 7 league games, same us in less games so far and in a worse league. and he did pretty much the same last season. I think he's a great manager but it's so deluded how people harshly criticise Wenger and then say how amazing Klopp is. clueless."
His team has been decimated with injuries in an unprecedented way and Dortmund don't have the resources to choose not to use as Wenger has.
He's shown he can mould a team, adapt tactics and prepare a team properly.
The criticism people level at Wenger are completely justified.
^^^ their defence is the main issue regarding injuries. Could you imagine if we lost Kos & Merte for say months together if would have been double digit wins for Liverpool & Chelsea. They did beat Real at home as well, but Real dont have the best record in Germany to be fair.
"If Wenger had NO injuries this season and Klopp had NO injuries this season, who would be better ?"
Klopp in my opinion. He did last year and the year before that.
Wenger also chose not to strengthen the team in its weakest area in both windows when Arsenal has infinitely more resources than Dortmund, then again that’s hardly unusual.
His team has been decimated with injuries in an unprecedented way
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so has ours
Dortmund don't have the resources to choose not to use as Wenger has.
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they spent more than us in the summer and have a better squad than us
He's shown he can mould a team, adapt tactics and prepare a team properly.
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so why are they losing so many games against inferior teams in the Bundesliga? Last two seasons Bayern have won the title in record time. We've never finished so far behind the leaders as Dortmund have yet you say he has amazing tactics and Wengers are awful? so deluded, there's no logic to it.
"so why are they losing so many games against inferior teams in the Bundesliga? Last two seasons Bayern have won the title in record time. We've never finished so far behind the leaders as Dortmund have yet you say he has amazing tactics and Wengers are awful? so deluded, there's no logic to it."
Dortmund have had an unprecedented number of injuries to primarily their defence, they don't have the resources to build a squad that Arsenal do.
Do you have any idea the gulf in resources between Dortmund and Munich?
To win one title against a team with so much more financial muscle is an incredible achievement, he won back to back titles.
Wenger doesn't do preperation or bespoke tactics for the opposition, for someone paid £8m a year this is negligence. How do you think we've lost the same way several times over this year. They know what we'll do and they plan to stop it.
I hate Mourinho but he prepares his team properly, Terry said last night they knew what the plan was if they went 1-0 or 2-0. That preparation for situational football makes Mourinho great and makes the difference at the top.
Wenger does none of it.
"I meant which team would be better ?"
Dortmund.
our midfield has got decimated, it's just interesting that you use every excuse under the sun for Klopp and do the opposite for Wenger. The double standards are laughable. what would be your excuse for last season when they finished 25 points behind? Bayern were in transition when Dortmund won the titles, I'm not questioning Dortmund's achievements or Klopp's quality anyway because I rate him but it's just the double standard that I find funny.
"our midfield has got decimated, it's just interesting that you use every excuse under the sun for Klopp and do the opposite for Wenger."
We've lost Ramsey and Walcott who would start in this team. Through problems of our own making with pre-historice training and rehabbing but that's a different issue.
The point is we have the resources to cover these positions, Dortmund don't.
Wenger chose not to buy players who will provide goals, Wenger chose not to replace the pace we lost when Theo went down.
"what would be your excuse for last season when they finished 25 points behind?"
Bayern have a better team, a better squad and more resources. Over a season that will tell.
I'm not applying a double standard anywhere.
The biggest issues with Wenger is his approach to tactics and preparation, it doesn't exist. This is undeniable/
In my view that's not acceptable and has cost us in games this season and for the last however many years.
You're entitled to wish to stick with Wenger, that's fine.
Whether we finish this season with a cup or not his race is run in my opinion.
8bit.
Who is currently making more managerial mistakes Wenger or Klopp?
We've lost Ramsey, Walcott, Wilshere, Ozil. for a team whose game is based on midfield that's quite brutal. we've had the highest injury list in the league for almost the whole season. yet you play it down and say Dortmund have suffered with injuries..
And Dortmunds resources are actually quite close to us, 11th highest in Europe and we are 8th. so it's not like they are poor. their CEO also said they have a big transfer kitty for the summer... so don't you also blame Klopp for not strengthening in Jan?
of course they can't compete with Bayern.. but we have 2 oil money billionaire clubs in the league as well. but they only have to play Bayern twice in a season, in terms of points per game we have pretty much identical record as them for the last two seasons. so how is it that Klopp's tactics and preperation are amazing and ours are non existent?
Cunni, I don't watch the Bundesliga so it's impossible to say. And I doubt many of the Klopp fanboys watch it either.
It's not up for debate.
It's a well know fact Wenger does not prepare tactics for individual matches. Arsenal do not do that.
If you think that's acceptable that's fine, I do not and some of our current problems can be traced back to that, especially the convincing defeats to anyone with comprable talent.
it's not whether I find it acceptable or not, I'm just asking that if Klopp's preperation and tactics are so good then why are they not faring any better than us... with better players and in a worse league?
"it's not whether I find it acceptable or not, I'm just asking that if Klopp's preperation and tactics are so good then why are they not faring any better than us... with better players and in a worse league?"
You think Dortmund have better players?
That's even more of an inditement of Wenger, we have around double the wage budget of Dortmund.
I've explained, they have far less resources, therefore a thinner squad therefore have coped poorly with injuries.
We're going round and round here.
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posted on 9/4/14
Would Klopp really leave Dortmund for Arsenal? I think he'd be a fantastic manager to move us on, our issue is probably less about ability and more about mentality, so yes I think either would move us forwards
posted on 9/4/14
The rot has set in and you're right AW has probably stayed a season or two longer thane should've. The power that has been taken by our manager is partly down to the lack of real football people at the club, whether this has been by design or intention it is eating away at the club.
There are a number if top hungry young managers that would leap at the chance to manage Arsenal but whether the board has the nous to appoint such a man is the million dollar question.
posted on 9/4/14
Any manager with a degree of tactical nous IMO could do a better job than AW is currently doing.
posted on 9/4/14
Wenger doesn't do tactics, he sends the team out and says "just play". Back in the invincible era that was fine coz we had players that knew and had the winning mentality but in recent years the players need more instruction about the opposition's strengths and weaknesses which they clearly are not getting at the moment.
posted on 9/4/14
Wenger has spent enough time with Arsenal winning nothing with the same approach and mistakes, year after year, after year. It's time for a new manager at A.F.C.
posted on 9/4/14
Anyone who used tactics or proper preperation would give this current squad a better chance to win more games.
posted on 9/4/14
"Back in the invincible era that was fine coz we had players that knew and had the winning mentality"
More to do with just being more talented than everyone else.
posted on 9/4/14
"Back in the invincible era that was fine coz we had players that knew and had the winning mentality"
More to do with just being more talented than everyone else.
Yes, that goes without saying but at the start of this season when we were top many were saying this squad, albeit thin, is the best we've had in years, so to go that extra mile and win the bigger games the current players need instruction which they're clearly not getting. Preparation is key but this is not happening now.
posted on 9/4/14
Klopps lost 7 league games, same us in less games so far and in a worse league. and he did pretty much the same last season. I think he's a great manager but it's so deluded how people harshly criticise Wenger and then say how amazing Klopp is. clueless.
posted on 9/4/14
"Klopps lost 7 league games, same us in less games so far and in a worse league. and he did pretty much the same last season. I think he's a great manager but it's so deluded how people harshly criticise Wenger and then say how amazing Klopp is. clueless."
His team has been decimated with injuries in an unprecedented way and Dortmund don't have the resources to choose not to use as Wenger has.
He's shown he can mould a team, adapt tactics and prepare a team properly.
The criticism people level at Wenger are completely justified.
posted on 9/4/14
^^^ their defence is the main issue regarding injuries. Could you imagine if we lost Kos & Merte for say months together if would have been double digit wins for Liverpool & Chelsea. They did beat Real at home as well, but Real dont have the best record in Germany to be fair.
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"If Wenger had NO injuries this season and Klopp had NO injuries this season, who would be better ?"
Klopp in my opinion. He did last year and the year before that.
Wenger also chose not to strengthen the team in its weakest area in both windows when Arsenal has infinitely more resources than Dortmund, then again that’s hardly unusual.
posted on 9/4/14
His team has been decimated with injuries in an unprecedented way
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so has ours
Dortmund don't have the resources to choose not to use as Wenger has.
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they spent more than us in the summer and have a better squad than us
He's shown he can mould a team, adapt tactics and prepare a team properly.
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so why are they losing so many games against inferior teams in the Bundesliga? Last two seasons Bayern have won the title in record time. We've never finished so far behind the leaders as Dortmund have yet you say he has amazing tactics and Wengers are awful? so deluded, there's no logic to it.
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posted on 9/4/14
"so why are they losing so many games against inferior teams in the Bundesliga? Last two seasons Bayern have won the title in record time. We've never finished so far behind the leaders as Dortmund have yet you say he has amazing tactics and Wengers are awful? so deluded, there's no logic to it."
Dortmund have had an unprecedented number of injuries to primarily their defence, they don't have the resources to build a squad that Arsenal do.
Do you have any idea the gulf in resources between Dortmund and Munich?
To win one title against a team with so much more financial muscle is an incredible achievement, he won back to back titles.
Wenger doesn't do preperation or bespoke tactics for the opposition, for someone paid £8m a year this is negligence. How do you think we've lost the same way several times over this year. They know what we'll do and they plan to stop it.
I hate Mourinho but he prepares his team properly, Terry said last night they knew what the plan was if they went 1-0 or 2-0. That preparation for situational football makes Mourinho great and makes the difference at the top.
Wenger does none of it.
posted on 9/4/14
"I meant which team would be better ?"
Dortmund.
posted on 9/4/14
our midfield has got decimated, it's just interesting that you use every excuse under the sun for Klopp and do the opposite for Wenger. The double standards are laughable. what would be your excuse for last season when they finished 25 points behind? Bayern were in transition when Dortmund won the titles, I'm not questioning Dortmund's achievements or Klopp's quality anyway because I rate him but it's just the double standard that I find funny.
posted on 9/4/14
"our midfield has got decimated, it's just interesting that you use every excuse under the sun for Klopp and do the opposite for Wenger."
We've lost Ramsey and Walcott who would start in this team. Through problems of our own making with pre-historice training and rehabbing but that's a different issue.
The point is we have the resources to cover these positions, Dortmund don't.
Wenger chose not to buy players who will provide goals, Wenger chose not to replace the pace we lost when Theo went down.
"what would be your excuse for last season when they finished 25 points behind?"
Bayern have a better team, a better squad and more resources. Over a season that will tell.
I'm not applying a double standard anywhere.
The biggest issues with Wenger is his approach to tactics and preparation, it doesn't exist. This is undeniable/
In my view that's not acceptable and has cost us in games this season and for the last however many years.
You're entitled to wish to stick with Wenger, that's fine.
Whether we finish this season with a cup or not his race is run in my opinion.
posted on 9/4/14
8bit.
Who is currently making more managerial mistakes Wenger or Klopp?
posted on 9/4/14
We've lost Ramsey, Walcott, Wilshere, Ozil. for a team whose game is based on midfield that's quite brutal. we've had the highest injury list in the league for almost the whole season. yet you play it down and say Dortmund have suffered with injuries..
And Dortmunds resources are actually quite close to us, 11th highest in Europe and we are 8th. so it's not like they are poor. their CEO also said they have a big transfer kitty for the summer... so don't you also blame Klopp for not strengthening in Jan?
of course they can't compete with Bayern.. but we have 2 oil money billionaire clubs in the league as well. but they only have to play Bayern twice in a season, in terms of points per game we have pretty much identical record as them for the last two seasons. so how is it that Klopp's tactics and preperation are amazing and ours are non existent?
posted on 9/4/14
Cunni, I don't watch the Bundesliga so it's impossible to say. And I doubt many of the Klopp fanboys watch it either.
posted on 9/4/14
It's not up for debate.
It's a well know fact Wenger does not prepare tactics for individual matches. Arsenal do not do that.
If you think that's acceptable that's fine, I do not and some of our current problems can be traced back to that, especially the convincing defeats to anyone with comprable talent.
posted on 9/4/14
it's not whether I find it acceptable or not, I'm just asking that if Klopp's preperation and tactics are so good then why are they not faring any better than us... with better players and in a worse league?
posted on 9/4/14
"it's not whether I find it acceptable or not, I'm just asking that if Klopp's preperation and tactics are so good then why are they not faring any better than us... with better players and in a worse league?"
You think Dortmund have better players?
That's even more of an inditement of Wenger, we have around double the wage budget of Dortmund.
I've explained, they have far less resources, therefore a thinner squad therefore have coped poorly with injuries.
We're going round and round here.
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