Sherwood gets a fair amount of stick, doesn't he?
Plus the media are sure he is leaving in the summer it probably seems pointless to them to write loads of stories about him.
AVB gets more stick because he had over £100m talent added to his squad and top 4 was a must. Sherwood gets a pass because the demands were not as high.
Nothing, IMO, to do with xenophobia or a pro-Brit agenda. Just two very different situations for managers of the same club.
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Sherwood doesn't really get pounced on for his weaknesses though. Like the article says, AVB was supposedly the uber cocky foreign kid. Yet Sherwood came out and bragged about his win percentage and nothing is said.
Chris Hughton did a poor job at Norwich this season, goes and there is media uproar. Can guarantee if he was foreign nothing would be said.
Great article, and an opinion i've long suspected is held by many Spurs fans since Harry was sacked. There is the argument that "English managers do better, English core is better.." but it just doesn't hold true in the real world.
Xenophobia or fear or the unknown.. I don't know either, but we're in 2014 - players and managers should be judged on merit alone
Sherwood is liked because although he portrays a cocky personality, people did not expect him to do a good job due to his inexperience.
AVB came with a reputation and has failed miserably twice in England now, and then started claiming he was responsible for Chelsea winning the Champions League.
Also Steve Bruce never gets any praise despite continually taking teams to the Premier League and doing a good job with them.
Isn't it just that Spurs are not a big story at the moment and there is a knowing that Sherwood will be out in the summer. The media don't really have any sensational stories to sell here, as I see it.
If Sherwood is manager on August 14th, or whenever the season starts, then he will analysed more closely.
Article seems pretty spot on, the bizarre English mentality is even found often on this forum or other social media sites. People seem to think being English means you are perfectly suited to the pl, whereas in reality if you are GOOD you are perfectly suited to the pl.
I agree.
And I thought the media were quite nice to Rafa when he was Chelsea manager, it was more the fans that hated him.
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AVB came with a reputation and has failed miserably twice in England now, and then started claiming he was responsible for Chelsea winning the Champions League.
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FFS, so finishing the season with the highest points total ever and then having virtually an entire team to gel yet still remaining in every cup competition and a handful of points off 2nd place is a miserable fail.
Clueless.
Sherwood has got away with spouting absolute ballacks in interviews, but because he leaves a triffic impression they don't use them.
Van Gaal gave an interview saying he's sick of only seeing his players 8 times a year and the headline (and only quote in the story) is "LVG sick of his job".
What they (Daily Fail and Sun aside) report is usually fair enough, it's the bits they choose to leave out that tell the story
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by Marcelino (U6171)
posted 1 minute ago
AVB came with a reputation and has failed miserably twice in England now, and then started claiming he was responsible for Chelsea winning the Champions League.
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FFS, so finishing the season with the highest points total ever and then having virtually an entire team to gel yet still remaining in every cup competition and a handful of points off 2nd place is a miserable fail.
Clueless.
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Carried by a World Class player. Record points total means fack all, he finished 5th. Not 4th.
The guy was an utter conman. And as for being in all Cup competitions he was in a píss easy Europa Cup, hadn't played an FA Cup game yet and in the League Cup had beaten an atrocious Villa team before scraping past Hull at home in an embarrassing performance.
Bored of your one team competition Marcel?
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Bored of your one team competition Marcel?
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Fed up with the direction of the club and our forum's inability to see it.
I don't get why AVB is rated so highly and Harry was hated so much. Puts the whole British bias nonsense to bed for me.
Wouldn't say Harry is hated, there is just frustration at him that we achieved nothing with our best team in years.
Harry wasn't hated, he just kept digging himself a bigger hole.
AVB is only rated by the minority, I think he's talented but hugely flawed.
If only we could splice the two
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comment by Boss By Hugo (U18550)
posted 1 minute ago
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Carried by a World Class player. Record points total means fack all, he finished 5th. Not 4th.
The guy was an utter conman. And as for being in all Cup competitions he was in a píss easy Europa Cup, hadn't played an FA Cup game yet and in the League Cup had beaten an atrocious Villa team before scraping past Hull at home in an embarrassing performance.
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Hahah!!.. Every team is carried one way or another by a brilliant player. Ronaldo does it at Real Madrid, they lost 2-0 last night without him. PSG lost without Ibrahimovic. Messi has carried Barcelona countless times.
How can achieving the highest points total ever mean feck all we are not a top four team, when will you understand?! If we finish 5th that's a good achievement for us, you underestimate how hard it is to gel 7 new players who have never played in the PL and barely know the language.
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posted 9 seconds ago
Wouldn't say Harry is hated, there is just frustration at him that we achieved nothing with our best team in years.
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Harry finished 4th twice. That's achievement.
Have Celtic won the league yet?
comment by Pavlyuchenko's smile (U3582)
posted 15 seconds ago
Have Celtic won the league yet?
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http://lmgtfy.com/?q=scottish+premier+league+table
comment by Pavlyuchenko's smile (U3582)
posted 1 minute ago
Have Celtic won the league yet?
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Yes.
This has nothing to do with my opinion. I liked Harry's Spurs team- they were both good to watch and successful yet people were happy to see him leave for a guy that could have destroyed Chelsea?
Yes.
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That was boring.
It has to do with us explaining what we thought of our ex managers to someone happy to make assumptions about it. Which is boring
Bottled 3rd after knowing we needed it for CL, embarrassed in 2 FA Cup Semi Finals, as well as in the Europa. Not perfect.
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posted 47 seconds ago
Bottled 3rd after knowing we needed it for CL, embarrassed in 2 FA Cup Semi Finals, as well as in the Europa. Not perfect.
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Of course he wasn't perfect, but the fact he got into those positions in the first place demonstrated what he could do and he did it in an exciting way too!
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posted 2 minutes ago
comment by KentSpur (U11208)
posted 47 seconds ago
Bottled 3rd after knowing we needed it for CL, embarrassed in 2 FA Cup Semi Finals, as well as in the Europa. Not perfect.
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Of course he wasn't perfect, but the fact he got into those positions in the first place demonstrated what he could do and he did it in an exciting way too!
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Carried by a World Class player.
Actually, in Harry's case it was 3
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posted on 9/4/14
Sherwood gets a fair amount of stick, doesn't he?
Plus the media are sure he is leaving in the summer it probably seems pointless to them to write loads of stories about him.
AVB gets more stick because he had over £100m talent added to his squad and top 4 was a must. Sherwood gets a pass because the demands were not as high.
Nothing, IMO, to do with xenophobia or a pro-Brit agenda. Just two very different situations for managers of the same club.
posted on 9/4/14
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posted on 9/4/14
Sherwood doesn't really get pounced on for his weaknesses though. Like the article says, AVB was supposedly the uber cocky foreign kid. Yet Sherwood came out and bragged about his win percentage and nothing is said.
Chris Hughton did a poor job at Norwich this season, goes and there is media uproar. Can guarantee if he was foreign nothing would be said.
posted on 9/4/14
Great article, and an opinion i've long suspected is held by many Spurs fans since Harry was sacked. There is the argument that "English managers do better, English core is better.." but it just doesn't hold true in the real world.
Xenophobia or fear or the unknown.. I don't know either, but we're in 2014 - players and managers should be judged on merit alone
posted on 9/4/14
fear of^
posted on 9/4/14
Sherwood is liked because although he portrays a cocky personality, people did not expect him to do a good job due to his inexperience.
AVB came with a reputation and has failed miserably twice in England now, and then started claiming he was responsible for Chelsea winning the Champions League.
Also Steve Bruce never gets any praise despite continually taking teams to the Premier League and doing a good job with them.
posted on 9/4/14
Isn't it just that Spurs are not a big story at the moment and there is a knowing that Sherwood will be out in the summer. The media don't really have any sensational stories to sell here, as I see it.
If Sherwood is manager on August 14th, or whenever the season starts, then he will analysed more closely.
posted on 9/4/14
Article seems pretty spot on, the bizarre English mentality is even found often on this forum or other social media sites. People seem to think being English means you are perfectly suited to the pl, whereas in reality if you are GOOD you are perfectly suited to the pl.
posted on 9/4/14
I agree.
And I thought the media were quite nice to Rafa when he was Chelsea manager, it was more the fans that hated him.
posted on 9/4/14
comment by Marcelino (U6171)
posted 1 minute ago
AVB came with a reputation and has failed miserably twice in England now, and then started claiming he was responsible for Chelsea winning the Champions League.
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FFS, so finishing the season with the highest points total ever and then having virtually an entire team to gel yet still remaining in every cup competition and a handful of points off 2nd place is a miserable fail.
Clueless.
posted on 9/4/14
Sherwood has got away with spouting absolute ballacks in interviews, but because he leaves a triffic impression they don't use them.
Van Gaal gave an interview saying he's sick of only seeing his players 8 times a year and the headline (and only quote in the story) is "LVG sick of his job".
What they (Daily Fail and Sun aside) report is usually fair enough, it's the bits they choose to leave out that tell the story
posted on 9/4/14
comment by Boss By Hugo (U18550)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Marcelino (U6171)
posted 1 minute ago
AVB came with a reputation and has failed miserably twice in England now, and then started claiming he was responsible for Chelsea winning the Champions League.
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FFS, so finishing the season with the highest points total ever and then having virtually an entire team to gel yet still remaining in every cup competition and a handful of points off 2nd place is a miserable fail.
Clueless.
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Carried by a World Class player. Record points total means fack all, he finished 5th. Not 4th.
The guy was an utter conman. And as for being in all Cup competitions he was in a píss easy Europa Cup, hadn't played an FA Cup game yet and in the League Cup had beaten an atrocious Villa team before scraping past Hull at home in an embarrassing performance.
posted on 9/4/14
Bored of your one team competition Marcel?
posted on 9/4/14
comment by Pavlyuchenko's smile (U3582)
posted 1 minute ago
Bored of your one team competition Marcel?
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Fed up with the direction of the club and our forum's inability to see it.
I don't get why AVB is rated so highly and Harry was hated so much. Puts the whole British bias nonsense to bed for me.
posted on 9/4/14
Wouldn't say Harry is hated, there is just frustration at him that we achieved nothing with our best team in years.
posted on 9/4/14
Harry wasn't hated, he just kept digging himself a bigger hole.
AVB is only rated by the minority, I think he's talented but hugely flawed.
If only we could splice the two
posted on 9/4/14
comment by Marcelino (U6171)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Boss By Hugo (U18550)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Marcelino (U6171)
posted 1 minute ago
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Carried by a World Class player. Record points total means fack all, he finished 5th. Not 4th.
The guy was an utter conman. And as for being in all Cup competitions he was in a píss easy Europa Cup, hadn't played an FA Cup game yet and in the League Cup had beaten an atrocious Villa team before scraping past Hull at home in an embarrassing performance.
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Hahah!!.. Every team is carried one way or another by a brilliant player. Ronaldo does it at Real Madrid, they lost 2-0 last night without him. PSG lost without Ibrahimovic. Messi has carried Barcelona countless times.
How can achieving the highest points total ever mean feck all we are not a top four team, when will you understand?! If we finish 5th that's a good achievement for us, you underestimate how hard it is to gel 7 new players who have never played in the PL and barely know the language.
posted on 9/4/14
comment by KentSpur (U11208)
posted 9 seconds ago
Wouldn't say Harry is hated, there is just frustration at him that we achieved nothing with our best team in years.
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Harry finished 4th twice. That's achievement.
posted on 9/4/14
Have Celtic won the league yet?
posted on 9/4/14
comment by Pavlyuchenko's smile (U3582)
posted 15 seconds ago
Have Celtic won the league yet?
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http://lmgtfy.com/?q=scottish+premier+league+table
posted on 9/4/14
comment by Pavlyuchenko's smile (U3582)
posted 1 minute ago
Have Celtic won the league yet?
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Yes.
This has nothing to do with my opinion. I liked Harry's Spurs team- they were both good to watch and successful yet people were happy to see him leave for a guy that could have destroyed Chelsea?
posted on 9/4/14
Yes.
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That was boring.
It has to do with us explaining what we thought of our ex managers to someone happy to make assumptions about it. Which is boring
posted on 9/4/14
Bottled 3rd after knowing we needed it for CL, embarrassed in 2 FA Cup Semi Finals, as well as in the Europa. Not perfect.
posted on 9/4/14
comment by KentSpur (U11208)
posted 47 seconds ago
Bottled 3rd after knowing we needed it for CL, embarrassed in 2 FA Cup Semi Finals, as well as in the Europa. Not perfect.
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Of course he wasn't perfect, but the fact he got into those positions in the first place demonstrated what he could do and he did it in an exciting way too!
posted on 9/4/14
comment by Marcelino (U6171)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by KentSpur (U11208)
posted 47 seconds ago
Bottled 3rd after knowing we needed it for CL, embarrassed in 2 FA Cup Semi Finals, as well as in the Europa. Not perfect.
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Of course he wasn't perfect, but the fact he got into those positions in the first place demonstrated what he could do and he did it in an exciting way too!
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Carried by a World Class player.
Actually, in Harry's case it was 3
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