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comment by Robbing_Hoody - Here, have some goals. You don't have to work for them. They're a gift. That's what we do now. (U6374)
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Playing less games may well be an advantage but it's not as bigger advantage as being in the CL.
That's why everyone wants to be in it you see.
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Don't be silly. It's Moyes master plan to be out of europe next season so that he can go onto win the title due to the HUGE advantage. Especially when his better players decide to leave due to the lack of CL footy....
Further more every team to have won the Premiership in the past two decades has, wait for it, been in the CL so it can't be that bigger disadvantage.
Perhaps an extra game per month on average is a bit over played.
The CL does add more big games to a calender. Now we have two semi final matches sandwiching our game.
That's not advantage Chelsea, is it?
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Put is this way, as was said on another thread by Jolly Roger, Rogers complained about the number of games last year with you competing in Europa. You finished 7th with pretty much the same group of players. It is a disadvantage if you don't gave a squad big enough to cope with trying to win, not just compete, in Europe and domestically.
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Maybe, just maybe, it was down to the fact that it was BRs first season. And maybe, those players have all improved and have now 'clicked' into BRs way of playing....
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Yeah it was a clear case of Rodgers implementing a new style and the players taking some time to adapt. Our form in the second half of that season is similar to our form this season. No europe has given us an advantage but some have overplayed it.
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I agree in particular about Chelsea and City because we have been able to build our squads to cope with the demands of europe, although having said that we are in transition too with a new manager but in the case if city, you'd expect then to cope with europe as well as Liverpool have without it. They never go too far in Europe anyway
I'm not complaining about it by the way. It is what it is. I'd rather be in the CL semis than not be
comment by Robbing_Hoody - Here, have some goals. You don't have to work for them. They're a gift. That's what we do now. (U6374)
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Further more every team to have won the Premiership in the past two decades has, wait for it, been in the CL so it can't be that bigger disadvantage.
Perhaps an extra game per month on average is a bit over played.
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But that means that they get less preparation for one in every 4 games (roughly, ignoring the period before CL footy starts and thigns like the busy xmas schedule)
I don't think anyone could argue that having not played in any European competition hasn't helped us to some extent this season as it has. For me the trips teams have to make especially in the Europa league take their toll both mentally and physically and do take that extra bit out of players.
Having said that no team has the god given right to be at the top of the league - you have to fight for it and win as many games as you can. We have coped well with suspensions and injuries and yes only playing that one game for the most part a week has helped. However the complaints from rival supporting fans are pretty poor in truth. They have had European competition money to build larger squads in order to cope and this is for their own teams medical team to manage if injuries trot up. Fact is any team top with only 5 games left to play deserves to be there and the cliche that the league table doesn't lie is very true.
Personally I feel a combination of factors has led to our rise this season and not just the absence from European competitions, which in no way is our fault - simply the luck of it all after having a poor last season. The team is good yes but the core of it is the same as last season. They may have matured from last year but it is the system and tactics that from Rodgers which the players are responding to that in my opinion is the biggest factor. Combined with the decline of United, stagnation of Spurs and new managers for both Chelsea and United and these factors have worked in our favour. I have no doubt that what Rodgers is building will be sustained and he will adapt in the coming seasons for what is required. But this season you can bet anything the players will give it all to win that elusive league title and it will be deserved whoever it goes to.
It's not as bigger advantage as being in the CL no. This is documented by every team winning the league for 20 years being CL participants. The is literally nothing to support the claim that not being in the CL is an advantage other than anecdotal evidence. It really is that simple.
poor teams can be top off the league when they play 20+ less games than second place.
OP your comment is as biased for Liverpool as the comments made by opposition fans are biased against.
The bottom line is that you have a really good albeit smallish squad of players, many of whom did not come cheap. It doesnt matter that the likes of the arsenal fans produce purile smiley faces when talking about Henderson etc, it doesnt cover the fact that this squad was assembled for a not inconsiderable sum, and it contains many good players. In my opinion, it is clearlya top 4 capable squad.
People have suggested that Liverpool have an advantage because they play less games, and while I would not necessarily agree it is an absolute advantage, it certainly helps. Less games means less injuries are likely. it also means fatigue is not as big a factor and so increases the chance of playing a bedded down team hwo can grow together. Obviously this does not always happen, but he chances are higher.
If liverpool had the same europa league campaign as spurs, I would expect them to be in the mix for the top 4 but no more.
The argument around why other teams not in europe are not playing is also invalid - Liverpool have by far the best squad out of any of the teams who did not qualify for europe last year, including one of the worlds best players. Coutinho 8m, henderson 16m, Allen 15M, suarez 22m, mignolet 9m, sakho 18m etc. These are good players and should be expected to do well.
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poor teams can be top off the league when they play 20+ less games than second place.
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No poor side will ever be top of the table after 38 games. It's pretty simple.
To suggest otherwise would be daft.
It doesn't matter how much they cost, if they're playing twice a week they're more likely to get tired and injured. The team has to be rotated to accommodate this and not fielding your strongest XI means you don't necessarily turn those wins into draws etc.
You're deluded if you believe having one less cup competition doesn't help league form
I'll say this. Being out of Europe can be an advantage but not a defining one. There are far too many other influencing factors for it to be THE reason, just a contributing factor.
As someone said above, still rather be in it than not!
This season is an anomolly, can anyone remember the last time a team without European football was challenging for the title in April? Me neither. Doubt it will happen too often in the future either.
One last time.
It is a bigger advantage to be in the CL. That's why people want to be in it. That's why the league winners are always in it. That's why the same teams qualify throughout Europe, by virtue of a high league placing, every year. As such it is simple to conclude that being in the CL means you are more likely to finish up higher in the league. There is decades of evidence to support this.
Not so much about a team moving from 7th to 1st.
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comment by King of the Bridge (U1319)
posted 3 minutes ago
poor teams can be top off the league when they play 20+ less games than second place.
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That's the poorest comment of the week so far.....
comment by King of the Bridge (U1319)
posted 9 minutes ago
poor teams can be top off the league when they play 20+ less games than second place.
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Last week it was 30-35 games you said
Make your mind up. It's actually 10 games by the way, and you are already in the semi finals.
United will have no European competition but will spend crap tonnes in the summer and will be real threats next season. United's problem isn't Moyes the problem is that Welbeck is walking into their 11 these days
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comment by King of the Bridge (U1319)
posted 9 minutes ago
poor teams can be top off the league when they play 20+ less games than second place.
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Last week it was 30-35 games you said
Make your mind up. It's actually 10 games by the way, and you are already in the semi finals.
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More than that last year I think cos of cl & Europa.
United will have no European competition but will spend crap tonnes in the summer and will be real threats next season. United's problem isn't Moyes the problem is that Welbeck is walking into their 11 these days
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Ignoring that rubbish you posted before it's clear to most that Moyes is a major part of the problem at Old Trafford this season.
Welbeck is the reason they've fell from 1st to 7th? Of course. In fact when they're all fit does he 'walk' into their XI?
The peculiar thing is, what we've done this season is freakish in coming from so far behind to challenge.
If Utd get their houses in order and possibly a new manager (unlikely I know) they could well replicate what we've done this season.
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It amuses me that everyone keeps making out about the whole we're only top because we're not playing in Europe. How many times in the past in the top 5 leagues has a team gone from not playing in either CL or EL and then gone on to win the title next season. My guess is none for a long while.
Jeeez how many times do I have to see these articles? Do you not feel you're getting enough credit? The team that wins the league will get the plaudits it deserves, until then you can expect the limelight to bring the bitter comments from rivals out.
My 2 cents? Less games has given the squad more focus and continuity. But fack me if you aren't taking full advantage off the back of the exceptional form of your forwards.
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comment by Robbing_Hoody - Here, have some goals. You don't have to work for them. They're a gift. That's what we do now. (U6374)
posted 1 second ago
Playing less games may well be an advantage but it's not as bigger advantage as being in the CL.
That's why everyone wants to be in it you see.
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Don't be silly. It's Moyes master plan to be out of europe next season so that he can go onto win the title due to the HUGE advantage. Especially when his better players decide to leave due to the lack of CL footy....
posted on 10/4/14
Further more every team to have won the Premiership in the past two decades has, wait for it, been in the CL so it can't be that bigger disadvantage.
Perhaps an extra game per month on average is a bit over played.
posted on 10/4/14
The CL does add more big games to a calender. Now we have two semi final matches sandwiching our game.
That's not advantage Chelsea, is it?
posted on 10/4/14
comment by Respected Ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by terminator1 (U1863)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by TheWhiteWall68 (U17633)
posted 12 seconds ago
Put is this way, as was said on another thread by Jolly Roger, Rogers complained about the number of games last year with you competing in Europa. You finished 7th with pretty much the same group of players. It is a disadvantage if you don't gave a squad big enough to cope with trying to win, not just compete, in Europe and domestically.
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Maybe, just maybe, it was down to the fact that it was BRs first season. And maybe, those players have all improved and have now 'clicked' into BRs way of playing....
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Yeah it was a clear case of Rodgers implementing a new style and the players taking some time to adapt. Our form in the second half of that season is similar to our form this season. No europe has given us an advantage but some have overplayed it.
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I agree in particular about Chelsea and City because we have been able to build our squads to cope with the demands of europe, although having said that we are in transition too with a new manager but in the case if city, you'd expect then to cope with europe as well as Liverpool have without it. They never go too far in Europe anyway
posted on 10/4/14
I'm not complaining about it by the way. It is what it is. I'd rather be in the CL semis than not be
posted on 10/4/14
comment by Robbing_Hoody - Here, have some goals. You don't have to work for them. They're a gift. That's what we do now. (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
Further more every team to have won the Premiership in the past two decades has, wait for it, been in the CL so it can't be that bigger disadvantage.
Perhaps an extra game per month on average is a bit over played.
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But that means that they get less preparation for one in every 4 games (roughly, ignoring the period before CL footy starts and thigns like the busy xmas schedule)
posted on 10/4/14
I don't think anyone could argue that having not played in any European competition hasn't helped us to some extent this season as it has. For me the trips teams have to make especially in the Europa league take their toll both mentally and physically and do take that extra bit out of players.
Having said that no team has the god given right to be at the top of the league - you have to fight for it and win as many games as you can. We have coped well with suspensions and injuries and yes only playing that one game for the most part a week has helped. However the complaints from rival supporting fans are pretty poor in truth. They have had European competition money to build larger squads in order to cope and this is for their own teams medical team to manage if injuries trot up. Fact is any team top with only 5 games left to play deserves to be there and the cliche that the league table doesn't lie is very true.
Personally I feel a combination of factors has led to our rise this season and not just the absence from European competitions, which in no way is our fault - simply the luck of it all after having a poor last season. The team is good yes but the core of it is the same as last season. They may have matured from last year but it is the system and tactics that from Rodgers which the players are responding to that in my opinion is the biggest factor. Combined with the decline of United, stagnation of Spurs and new managers for both Chelsea and United and these factors have worked in our favour. I have no doubt that what Rodgers is building will be sustained and he will adapt in the coming seasons for what is required. But this season you can bet anything the players will give it all to win that elusive league title and it will be deserved whoever it goes to.
posted on 10/4/14
It's not as bigger advantage as being in the CL no. This is documented by every team winning the league for 20 years being CL participants. The is literally nothing to support the claim that not being in the CL is an advantage other than anecdotal evidence. It really is that simple.
posted on 10/4/14
poor teams can be top off the league when they play 20+ less games than second place.
posted on 10/4/14
OP your comment is as biased for Liverpool as the comments made by opposition fans are biased against.
The bottom line is that you have a really good albeit smallish squad of players, many of whom did not come cheap. It doesnt matter that the likes of the arsenal fans produce purile smiley faces when talking about Henderson etc, it doesnt cover the fact that this squad was assembled for a not inconsiderable sum, and it contains many good players. In my opinion, it is clearlya top 4 capable squad.
People have suggested that Liverpool have an advantage because they play less games, and while I would not necessarily agree it is an absolute advantage, it certainly helps. Less games means less injuries are likely. it also means fatigue is not as big a factor and so increases the chance of playing a bedded down team hwo can grow together. Obviously this does not always happen, but he chances are higher.
If liverpool had the same europa league campaign as spurs, I would expect them to be in the mix for the top 4 but no more.
The argument around why other teams not in europe are not playing is also invalid - Liverpool have by far the best squad out of any of the teams who did not qualify for europe last year, including one of the worlds best players. Coutinho 8m, henderson 16m, Allen 15M, suarez 22m, mignolet 9m, sakho 18m etc. These are good players and should be expected to do well.
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posted on 10/4/14
poor teams can be top off the league when they play 20+ less games than second place.
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No poor side will ever be top of the table after 38 games. It's pretty simple.
To suggest otherwise would be daft.
posted on 10/4/14
It doesn't matter how much they cost, if they're playing twice a week they're more likely to get tired and injured. The team has to be rotated to accommodate this and not fielding your strongest XI means you don't necessarily turn those wins into draws etc.
You're deluded if you believe having one less cup competition doesn't help league form
posted on 10/4/14
I'll say this. Being out of Europe can be an advantage but not a defining one. There are far too many other influencing factors for it to be THE reason, just a contributing factor.
As someone said above, still rather be in it than not!
This season is an anomolly, can anyone remember the last time a team without European football was challenging for the title in April? Me neither. Doubt it will happen too often in the future either.
posted on 10/4/14
One last time.
It is a bigger advantage to be in the CL. That's why people want to be in it. That's why the league winners are always in it. That's why the same teams qualify throughout Europe, by virtue of a high league placing, every year. As such it is simple to conclude that being in the CL means you are more likely to finish up higher in the league. There is decades of evidence to support this.
Not so much about a team moving from 7th to 1st.
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comment by King of the Bridge (U1319)
posted 3 minutes ago
poor teams can be top off the league when they play 20+ less games than second place.
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That's the poorest comment of the week so far.....
posted on 10/4/14
comment by King of the Bridge (U1319)
posted 9 minutes ago
poor teams can be top off the league when they play 20+ less games than second place.
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Last week it was 30-35 games you said
Make your mind up. It's actually 10 games by the way, and you are already in the semi finals.
posted on 10/4/14
United will have no European competition but will spend crap tonnes in the summer and will be real threats next season. United's problem isn't Moyes the problem is that Welbeck is walking into their 11 these days
posted on 10/4/14
comment by Neo Liverpool (U9135)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by King of the Bridge (U1319)
posted 9 minutes ago
poor teams can be top off the league when they play 20+ less games than second place.
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Last week it was 30-35 games you said
Make your mind up. It's actually 10 games by the way, and you are already in the semi finals.
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More than that last year I think cos of cl & Europa.
posted on 10/4/14
United will have no European competition but will spend crap tonnes in the summer and will be real threats next season. United's problem isn't Moyes the problem is that Welbeck is walking into their 11 these days
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Ignoring that rubbish you posted before it's clear to most that Moyes is a major part of the problem at Old Trafford this season.
Welbeck is the reason they've fell from 1st to 7th? Of course. In fact when they're all fit does he 'walk' into their XI?
The peculiar thing is, what we've done this season is freakish in coming from so far behind to challenge.
If Utd get their houses in order and possibly a new manager (unlikely I know) they could well replicate what we've done this season.
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posted on 10/4/14
It amuses me that everyone keeps making out about the whole we're only top because we're not playing in Europe. How many times in the past in the top 5 leagues has a team gone from not playing in either CL or EL and then gone on to win the title next season. My guess is none for a long while.
posted on 10/4/14
Jeeez how many times do I have to see these articles? Do you not feel you're getting enough credit? The team that wins the league will get the plaudits it deserves, until then you can expect the limelight to bring the bitter comments from rivals out.
My 2 cents? Less games has given the squad more focus and continuity. But fack me if you aren't taking full advantage off the back of the exceptional form of your forwards.
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