Of course he could create chances but primarily he was more an out and out centre forward whereas Suarez is not. Hence why I always find comparisons quite tedious.
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Each comment makes me question how much you actually saw of Henry. Henry was about the most unconventional no.9 in Europe at his prime. He was never a target man or a striker who you aimed crosses for in the box. He was very mobile and spent most of games drifting out to the wings - especially the left wing. Henry often topped BOTH the scoring and assist charts when he was at Arsenal.
The reason I say that is all season we've been hearing things such as our team is never fit enough to be top four contenders let alone title challengers and it is simply Suarez carrying us, ironically mostly from the Arsenal fans. Ridiculous statements such as how can Henderson and Joe Allen be part of a title winning team when compared with the likes of Viera and Petit in the invincible side.
Of course I'm aware the system is far more important than the individual components. This is down to Brendan Rodgers. But again the player doesn't choose the system so it's up to the manager to get the best out of all his players. For me Suarez is more enjoyable to watch and a better player than Henry - again personal opinion.
And that goal you have posted is phenomenal. Not a lob with the keeper of his line though is it as I stated?The best strikers in the world in their prime such as Ronaldo of Brazil and Henry could pull that off. Suarez could do that too as well as lobbing a keeper from the half way line while probably nutmegging a few defenders too. I still class him as a forward. Unconventional or not Henry for me was a 9. He would run the channels and make runs in behind which Suarez does but is not his strong point
Ironic how two gooners have straight away jumped to attack my point when I have clearly stated that Henry was one of the very best and Suarez has a long way to go to emulate the Frenchman. It's just that I prefer watching Suarez. Bite me.
Kev, you are very wrong about Henry. An out and out centre forward was the last thing he would be described as.
ps, Petit was a few years before the invincibles.
Ironic how two gooners have straight away jumped to attack my point when I have clearly stated that Henry was one of the very best and Suarez has a long way to go to emulate the Frenchman. It's just that I prefer watching Suarez. Bite me.
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There's nothing "ironic" about it. You don't know what irony is. And you're contradicting yourself. You didn't simply say you find Suarez more enjoyable. You said he's better. And all others have done is given you contrary opinions. No one has denied you the right to claim Suarez is better from what I can see. You're entitled to your opinion, but others are entitled to dispute the opinion as well.
Suarez certainly has a lot more to his game than Henry did.
90% of Henry's goals were the same, dribbling in from the left and curling in around the keeper.
Suarez has so much more variety in his goals.
And that goal you have posted is phenomenal. Not a lob with the keeper of his line though is it as I stated?The best strikers in the world in their prime such as Ronaldo of Brazil and Henry could pull that off. Suarez could do that too as well as lobbing a keeper from the half way line while probably nutmegging a few defenders too.
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I've not see Henry score from the half-way line just as I haven't see Suarez score Henry's goal. I'd argue I'd find it FAR easier as an amateur to blast an instinctive half-way line volley with a keeper off his line than to score Henry's goal. Henry's goal showed exceptional vision, improvisation and elegance in abundance. Completely closed down by opposition defenders, that's the true definition of scoring from nothing.
comment by D4thincarnation (U2520)
posted 2 minutes ago
Suarez certainly has a lot more to his game than Henry did.
90% of Henry's goals were the same, dribbling in from the left and curling in around the keeper.
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Wow, what an uneducated opinion. Stick to boxing.
Suarez certainly has a lot more to his game than Henry did.
90% of Henry's goals were the same, dribbling in from the left and curling in around the keeper.
Suarez has so much more variety in his goals.
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Interesting opinion. Considering Henry was a pretty complete forward whose only real weakness was his heading ability (ironic considering his height), I'm curious to know how much more Suarez has in his game that Henry doesn't.
The main variety I see is Suarez blasts a lot more efforts than Henry does. Henry almost always elegantly passed the ball into the net. But I'm interested in knowing how you define your variety.
Suarez works a lot harder, covers more ground, can pop up on the left or the right, can score headers, and tap in, blast the ball back into the net an place it. Can get scrappy goals and sublime and is much more tenacious than Henry.
comment by Sheriff John Brown - bring back David Dein (U7482)
You can't see Henry doing that cos you have a short memory. Henry had no shortage of finesse. This is probably the most underrated goal in the Premier League era. Better than half-way line volleys in my eyes for the sheer cheek and precision of execution - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvl1lqUeowQ
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I'm not sure about the goal being underrated, if you asked me to name one Henry goal that would be it - if anything I'd say it's one of the iconic EPL goals.
Sheriff / D'jeezus - I'm assuming you both think Henry was better? Fair enough given his achievements over such a prolonged period of time. How far away do you think Suarez is? What would he have to do to be recognised at the same level in your eyes?
D'Jeezus maybe my definition of centre forward is different to yours. For me Henry was a centre forward. Re: Petit, that was the point made when discussing the invincibles side by a fellow Arsenal fan so clearly a mistake there, apologies.
Sheriff, maybe you don't understand what contradiction is perhaps. Yes I'll repeat - for me Suarez on an individual level is a better player than Henry (this does not in any way take away from what an amazing player he was) and for me more Suarez is more enjoyable to watch. Also I will repeat that Henry is a far more successful player on a collective level than Suarez who has a long way to go.
Yes you haven't seen Henry score from the half way line because he isn't that kind of player as I tried to previously say. This is where for me the difference lies. Henry would be far better comparable to someone like Sturridge for example in terms of style of play. Hence why I labelled him a "9" even though back then he perhaps wasn't your conventional one as you stated.
If you think lobbing the keeper from the half way line doesn't require as much quality and precision as a volley on the turn that is your opinion. For me Suarez's hattrick lob against Norwich was phenemonal and just as good.
Finally moving away from it all Henry has already left a moving legacy at Arsenal and if Suarez remains at Liverpool for a good few years he will do the same. Although I was reading an article on Ajax's views about Suarez and his captaincy there while at a young age and the hierarchy there believe only three players have left such an impression at Ajax. Van Basten, Cruyff and Suarez. Quite a compliment when you look at the other two.
^^^^That was to the boxer.
Sterling, it is all relative. Even ten years is a long time in football. Not really worth comparing two players from different eras times, imo.
Suarez along with Aguero are the two stand out attackers in the league, and Suarez is 3 games from being champion. That is all you need!
(But yes, I think Henry was better than Suarez is)
Scoring from nothing Sheriff? I hope you don't believe a ball rolling across the half way line is a goal scoring opportunity.
Kevin, I guess Richie Wellens is better than Henry as well...
http://www.backhenrystreet.co.uk/thread-16346.html
Henry could only play one role.
Suarez also makes his team mates play better
Ronaldo was also much more versatile than Henry
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 40 seconds ago
^^^^That was to the boxer.
Sterling, it is all relative. Even ten years is a long time in football. Not really worth comparing two players from different eras times, imo.
Suarez along with Aguero are the two stand out attackers in the league, and Suarez is 3 games from being champion. That is all you need!
(But yes, I think Henry was better than Suarez is)
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Yeah it's not an exact science comparing player from different times and it's probably quite pointless. But it's quite fun and creates debate!
As you think Henry was better... by a long way? A little bit?
comment by D4thincarnation (U2520)
posted 1 minute ago
Henry could only play one role.
Suarez also makes his team mates play better
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have you been sparring with Carl Froch?
Henry was a great player, maybe a bit one dimensional, Suarez has far as more facets to his game.
As you think Henry was better... by a long way? A little bit?
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We are talking about two of the best, if not best, players around at their respective times. Of course it is not a massive chasm, Suarez is a top quality player.
comment by D4thincarnation (U2520)
posted 1 minute ago
Henry was a great player, maybe a bit one dimensional, Suarez has far as more facets to his game.
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Tell that to the defences he faced. One dimensional?
You are a funny poster, but definitely had one punch to the head too many.
only three players have left such an impression at Ajax. Van Basten, Cruyff and Suarez. Quite a compliment when you look at the other two.
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Is that true?!
It's a compliment but a slightly embarrassing one. The only number 9 I've seen in my lifetime that's been better than Van Basten is original Ronaldo.
I'm not old enough to remember Cruyff properly!
D4 is definitely on the wind up. But D'Jeezus Suarez has done it for Ajax too from a similar position. Would like to see Wellens repeat that. Bit different in a premier league game. That isn't the only ridiculous goal Suarez has scored too.
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posted on 20/4/14
Of course he could create chances but primarily he was more an out and out centre forward whereas Suarez is not. Hence why I always find comparisons quite tedious.
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Each comment makes me question how much you actually saw of Henry. Henry was about the most unconventional no.9 in Europe at his prime. He was never a target man or a striker who you aimed crosses for in the box. He was very mobile and spent most of games drifting out to the wings - especially the left wing. Henry often topped BOTH the scoring and assist charts when he was at Arsenal.
posted on 20/4/14
The reason I say that is all season we've been hearing things such as our team is never fit enough to be top four contenders let alone title challengers and it is simply Suarez carrying us, ironically mostly from the Arsenal fans. Ridiculous statements such as how can Henderson and Joe Allen be part of a title winning team when compared with the likes of Viera and Petit in the invincible side.
Of course I'm aware the system is far more important than the individual components. This is down to Brendan Rodgers. But again the player doesn't choose the system so it's up to the manager to get the best out of all his players. For me Suarez is more enjoyable to watch and a better player than Henry - again personal opinion.
And that goal you have posted is phenomenal. Not a lob with the keeper of his line though is it as I stated?The best strikers in the world in their prime such as Ronaldo of Brazil and Henry could pull that off. Suarez could do that too as well as lobbing a keeper from the half way line while probably nutmegging a few defenders too. I still class him as a forward. Unconventional or not Henry for me was a 9. He would run the channels and make runs in behind which Suarez does but is not his strong point
Ironic how two gooners have straight away jumped to attack my point when I have clearly stated that Henry was one of the very best and Suarez has a long way to go to emulate the Frenchman. It's just that I prefer watching Suarez. Bite me.
posted on 20/4/14
Kev, you are very wrong about Henry. An out and out centre forward was the last thing he would be described as.
posted on 20/4/14
ps, Petit was a few years before the invincibles.
posted on 20/4/14
Ironic how two gooners have straight away jumped to attack my point when I have clearly stated that Henry was one of the very best and Suarez has a long way to go to emulate the Frenchman. It's just that I prefer watching Suarez. Bite me.
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There's nothing "ironic" about it. You don't know what irony is. And you're contradicting yourself. You didn't simply say you find Suarez more enjoyable. You said he's better. And all others have done is given you contrary opinions. No one has denied you the right to claim Suarez is better from what I can see. You're entitled to your opinion, but others are entitled to dispute the opinion as well.
posted on 20/4/14
Suarez certainly has a lot more to his game than Henry did.
90% of Henry's goals were the same, dribbling in from the left and curling in around the keeper.
Suarez has so much more variety in his goals.
posted on 20/4/14
And that goal you have posted is phenomenal. Not a lob with the keeper of his line though is it as I stated?The best strikers in the world in their prime such as Ronaldo of Brazil and Henry could pull that off. Suarez could do that too as well as lobbing a keeper from the half way line while probably nutmegging a few defenders too.
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I've not see Henry score from the half-way line just as I haven't see Suarez score Henry's goal. I'd argue I'd find it FAR easier as an amateur to blast an instinctive half-way line volley with a keeper off his line than to score Henry's goal. Henry's goal showed exceptional vision, improvisation and elegance in abundance. Completely closed down by opposition defenders, that's the true definition of scoring from nothing.
posted on 20/4/14
comment by D4thincarnation (U2520)
posted 2 minutes ago
Suarez certainly has a lot more to his game than Henry did.
90% of Henry's goals were the same, dribbling in from the left and curling in around the keeper.
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Wow, what an uneducated opinion. Stick to boxing.
posted on 20/4/14
Suarez certainly has a lot more to his game than Henry did.
90% of Henry's goals were the same, dribbling in from the left and curling in around the keeper.
Suarez has so much more variety in his goals.
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Interesting opinion. Considering Henry was a pretty complete forward whose only real weakness was his heading ability (ironic considering his height), I'm curious to know how much more Suarez has in his game that Henry doesn't.
The main variety I see is Suarez blasts a lot more efforts than Henry does. Henry almost always elegantly passed the ball into the net. But I'm interested in knowing how you define your variety.
posted on 20/4/14
Suarez works a lot harder, covers more ground, can pop up on the left or the right, can score headers, and tap in, blast the ball back into the net an place it. Can get scrappy goals and sublime and is much more tenacious than Henry.
posted on 20/4/14
comment by Sheriff John Brown - bring back David Dein (U7482)
You can't see Henry doing that cos you have a short memory. Henry had no shortage of finesse. This is probably the most underrated goal in the Premier League era. Better than half-way line volleys in my eyes for the sheer cheek and precision of execution - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvl1lqUeowQ
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I'm not sure about the goal being underrated, if you asked me to name one Henry goal that would be it - if anything I'd say it's one of the iconic EPL goals.
Sheriff / D'jeezus - I'm assuming you both think Henry was better? Fair enough given his achievements over such a prolonged period of time. How far away do you think Suarez is? What would he have to do to be recognised at the same level in your eyes?
posted on 20/4/14
Wow, such ignorance.
posted on 20/4/14
D'Jeezus maybe my definition of centre forward is different to yours. For me Henry was a centre forward. Re: Petit, that was the point made when discussing the invincibles side by a fellow Arsenal fan so clearly a mistake there, apologies.
Sheriff, maybe you don't understand what contradiction is perhaps. Yes I'll repeat - for me Suarez on an individual level is a better player than Henry (this does not in any way take away from what an amazing player he was) and for me more Suarez is more enjoyable to watch. Also I will repeat that Henry is a far more successful player on a collective level than Suarez who has a long way to go.
Yes you haven't seen Henry score from the half way line because he isn't that kind of player as I tried to previously say. This is where for me the difference lies. Henry would be far better comparable to someone like Sturridge for example in terms of style of play. Hence why I labelled him a "9" even though back then he perhaps wasn't your conventional one as you stated.
If you think lobbing the keeper from the half way line doesn't require as much quality and precision as a volley on the turn that is your opinion. For me Suarez's hattrick lob against Norwich was phenemonal and just as good.
Finally moving away from it all Henry has already left a moving legacy at Arsenal and if Suarez remains at Liverpool for a good few years he will do the same. Although I was reading an article on Ajax's views about Suarez and his captaincy there while at a young age and the hierarchy there believe only three players have left such an impression at Ajax. Van Basten, Cruyff and Suarez. Quite a compliment when you look at the other two.
posted on 20/4/14
^^^^That was to the boxer.
Sterling, it is all relative. Even ten years is a long time in football. Not really worth comparing two players from different eras times, imo.
Suarez along with Aguero are the two stand out attackers in the league, and Suarez is 3 games from being champion. That is all you need!
(But yes, I think Henry was better than Suarez is)
posted on 20/4/14
Scoring from nothing Sheriff? I hope you don't believe a ball rolling across the half way line is a goal scoring opportunity.
posted on 20/4/14
Kevin, I guess Richie Wellens is better than Henry as well...
http://www.backhenrystreet.co.uk/thread-16346.html
posted on 20/4/14
Henry could only play one role.
Suarez also makes his team mates play better
posted on 20/4/14
Ronaldo was also much more versatile than Henry
posted on 20/4/14
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 40 seconds ago
^^^^That was to the boxer.
Sterling, it is all relative. Even ten years is a long time in football. Not really worth comparing two players from different eras times, imo.
Suarez along with Aguero are the two stand out attackers in the league, and Suarez is 3 games from being champion. That is all you need!
(But yes, I think Henry was better than Suarez is)
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Yeah it's not an exact science comparing player from different times and it's probably quite pointless. But it's quite fun and creates debate!
As you think Henry was better... by a long way? A little bit?
posted on 20/4/14
comment by D4thincarnation (U2520)
posted 1 minute ago
Henry could only play one role.
Suarez also makes his team mates play better
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have you been sparring with Carl Froch?
posted on 20/4/14
Henry was a great player, maybe a bit one dimensional, Suarez has far as more facets to his game.
posted on 20/4/14
As you think Henry was better... by a long way? A little bit?
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We are talking about two of the best, if not best, players around at their respective times. Of course it is not a massive chasm, Suarez is a top quality player.
posted on 20/4/14
comment by D4thincarnation (U2520)
posted 1 minute ago
Henry was a great player, maybe a bit one dimensional, Suarez has far as more facets to his game.
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Tell that to the defences he faced. One dimensional?
You are a funny poster, but definitely had one punch to the head too many.
posted on 20/4/14
only three players have left such an impression at Ajax. Van Basten, Cruyff and Suarez. Quite a compliment when you look at the other two.
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Is that true?!
It's a compliment but a slightly embarrassing one. The only number 9 I've seen in my lifetime that's been better than Van Basten is original Ronaldo.
I'm not old enough to remember Cruyff properly!
posted on 20/4/14
D4 is definitely on the wind up. But D'Jeezus Suarez has done it for Ajax too from a similar position. Would like to see Wellens repeat that. Bit different in a premier league game. That isn't the only ridiculous goal Suarez has scored too.
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