For sure GT
I think our current approach only works so long as everyone is fit. Teams didn't know who to tackle when we had Walcott, Wilshere and Rosicky upfront with Giroud and all interchanging position at will. They confuse me when I'm, watchin on screen so it's no wonder the opposition is dazed. And no coinidence that we had a fit Mattieu Flamini playing in those games.
We need a top notch CDM for our current setup (never understood why AW doesn't get one since it's a basic requirement for the system) and a plan B to switch to when that's not "jamming" as such. I would love to see us giving two upfront with Walcott running off Giroud a try. I think they could make a cracking strike partnership. But I'm mostly just tired of watching our midfield lose us games so would be happy with just that being fixed as I believe that would have a huge impact on our results. Moreso thana 50million pound striker.
comment by WengersBodyguard2 (U8276)
posted 30 minutes ago
Gunnerthru
How many assists, so goals, did Giroud provide in those games? Also, what were the team's stats in those games as a whole? I bet you'll find that the midfielder's stats in those games were shocking. Why is it the striker you single out if/when the whole team plays badly? They all play by the same rule IMO so to say Giroud is poor in big games when the whole team plays badly behind him is unfair.
19 chances against the top seven clubs, that's 14 games. Surely you're not going to blame him for not scoring more goals when he's getting less than two attempts a match?? That stat (if I'm understanding it right) reflects on the midfield far more than Giroud. Over the course of 14 games, that's nowhere near enough chances. I'm not saying there aren't strikers that could have gotten more. Just that Giroud is a striker who plays WITH his midfield so he will never get as many goals when they play badly. But very very few strikers do.
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In those 14 games he made one assist. The rest of your comment is rubbish btw. He does not get 2 chances a game - I clearly stated CLEAR CUT chances. Easy chances that he has squandered against top teams that have cost us points. There is 14 games there, we took a battering in 3 of them. What is the excuse for the other games? Tight matches that were often decided by his poor finishing. 0 out of 19 clear cut chances converted is fking hilarious. AND SOMEHOW YOU ARE DEFENDING IT
The Observant One...
Really??? Not too "observant" if you can't see the gaping whole in our midfield's defensive capability. Or that 20 goals for an EPL striker is hardly cack. By all means say he's not the best but he is far from cack.
It's our midfield's fault that Giroud keeps missing sitters
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comment by #AnyoneButGiroud (U18355)
posted 4 minutes ago
It's our midfield's fault that Giroud keeps missing sitters
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You need to read properly...
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both and another 2 top strikers to fight 4trophy
Giroud lacks service....
Poor Sagna should be on 20 assists this season. shame giroud is slower that a tree with regards to getting in the box
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SAGNA??
Sorry but Sagna hasn't fizzed in 20 good crosses for Giroud in two seasons let alone this one alone. 5 maybe 6 times Sagna has whipped in the perfect ball and most of those Giroud has been pulled out wide to left or on the right feeding Sagna the ball. Why? Because the foward that should be doing that is up the pitch because he just had to defend after Cazorla or Arteta lost the dam ball. But yeah Giroud's cr.ap because he can't teleport himself from the wing to the six yard box.
For sure GT
I think our current approach only works so long as everyone is fit. Teams didn't know who to tackle when we had Walcott, Wilshere and Rosicky upfront with Giroud and all interchanging position at will. They confuse me when I'm, watchin on screen so it's no wonder the opposition is dazed. And no coinidence that we had a fit Mattieu Flamini playing in those games.
We need a top notch CDM for our current setup (never understood why AW doesn't get one since it's a basic requirement for the system) and a plan B to switch to when that's not "jamming" as such. I would love to see us giving two upfront with Walcott running off Giroud a try. I think they could make a cracking strike partnership. But I'm mostly just tired of watching our midfield lose us games so would be happy with just that being fixed as I believe that would have a huge impact on our results. Moreso thana 50million pound striker.
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Surely we need another striker upfront that is completely the opposite of Giroud. I am not saying that OG is irreplaceable or has to play every game. We all know we overplayed him. I want us to change formation whoever play upfront in 4-4-2, 4-3-3 or 4-2-2-1 to make sure we are less predicatable. Maybe you watch the Bayern against United game and noticed how Bayern changed formation when United scored.
OG will get enough play time in every formation.
comment by #AnyoneButGiroud (U18355)
posted 14 minutes ago
It's our midfield's fault that Giroud keeps missing sitters
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By what we are creating at times (and that is sometimes appalling) our striker needs to 100 % successful. Who is? Even Suarez isnt.
You morons keep talking about the midfield.
Let me repeat this for you very slowly and clearly.
ZERO
GOALS
SCORED
FROM
NINETEEN
CLEAR CUT
CHANCES
Crosses and set pieces as a whole are an embarrassment that needs to be adressed as well and sorted out. Sagna and on the other side Gibbs e.g. cant cross for shiiiit.
comment by #AnyoneButGiroud (U18355)
posted 46 seconds ago
You morons keep talking about the midfield.
Let me repeat this for you very slowly and clearly.
ZERO
GOALS
SCORED
FROM
NINETEEN
CLEAR CUT
CHANCES
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Read properly and stop blaming and single out one player to fack up our whole season.
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You morons keep talking about the midfield.
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Can't name that striker I see. That'll be because he hasn't existed yet. At a strecth you could have said Andy Johnson (I think it was Johnson but I could be wrong) who played for Crystal Palace. But no big name you'll be thinking of has ever managed it.
You're throwing the word moron around whilst being moronic in your argument so I'll spell it out for you.
Yes a few of your CLEAR CUT CHANCES were sitters but every striker misses those a few times a seasaon. You want to know how Giroud missing a CLEAR CUT CHANCE can be down to the midfield.
In Moron, just for you, here's how...
If midfield have ball
midfield control game.
When striker CLEAR CUT CHANCE come
striker in PERFECT POSITION TO TAKE CHANCE.
So CLEAR CUT CHANCE is easy score.
When midfield lose ball all time and no control game
striker always scrambling back to help defend.
This mean when CLEAR CUT CHANCE come, striker is NOT IN PERFECT POSITION!!!
He one step behind play or 3 metres wide of it.
This make CLEAR CUT CHANCE MUCH MUCH HARDER SCORE because striker is OUT OF POSITION!!
No matter how good striker
striker ALWAYS struggle if he out of position when get ball.
Get it now??? Jeez
I really need to bookmark this comment WBG.
LAUGHING MY FACKING ASS OFF. YOU HAVE JUST SAID CLEAR CUT CHANCES ARE DIFFICULT TO SCORE.
WHAT A FACKING IDIOT
The only idiot here is you Bats. Coming up with the same old shiiiit doesnt make your point more valid. And you can put one million 's behind your comment
Bookmark away GT
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ABG
ANY chance is hard to score if you're two yards behind where you should be to take it because you've had to run back from defending. For example it's this difference between being right over the ball and balanced so keeping the ball down when you hit it. Or having to stretch so leaning back off the ball, being off balance so putting it over the bar.
Are you really that thick that you can't even work out that something as simple as the direction a player is facing when he gets the ball makes a big difference to how hard chance is? You know like facing goal or back to goal.
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ABG
You're only humiliating yourself. You're one of those who doesn't actually say anything to back up the point he's making, just insults people who poke holes in what you've said. Still waiting for you to name me this striker who bangs in 30 a season in front of a midfield that can't defend.
Since you are the one saying Giroud is rubbish because he can't do that, then the least you should be able to do is name a handful of strikers whom you know scored 30 in the EPL playing in front of a defensively inept midfield. Shouldn't be too hard to do if you are correct and Giroud is so rubbish.
And no RVP is no good because he had Song cleaning up the midfield behind him.
Giroud versus top seven: 24 appearances, 3 goals (zero away), 5.9% conversion rate (down 12.4% v rest of PL), 0/19 clear-cut chances scored.
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Still struggling to understand the fact he has scored 3 times, but none of those were 'clear cut chances', yet he had 19 clearer cut chances than those 3 goals.
Who has decided which of his chances are clear cut and which are not?
The stat, I guess I am saying, is dubious at best.
Maybe a link to the 3 goals and the 19 clear cut chances?
Chris H
My argument is simply that Giroud could/would perform better and score more goals if we were more defensively sound in midfield. Not rocket science, any fool knows that any striker will perform better if his midfield can keep the ball well.
Any fool accept ABG that is. This all began because he needed it explained to him how a midfield constantly losing the ball forcing their striker to scramble back and defend, had anything to do with a stiker's scoring rate.
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posted on 21/4/14
For sure GT
I think our current approach only works so long as everyone is fit. Teams didn't know who to tackle when we had Walcott, Wilshere and Rosicky upfront with Giroud and all interchanging position at will. They confuse me when I'm, watchin on screen so it's no wonder the opposition is dazed. And no coinidence that we had a fit Mattieu Flamini playing in those games.
We need a top notch CDM for our current setup (never understood why AW doesn't get one since it's a basic requirement for the system) and a plan B to switch to when that's not "jamming" as such. I would love to see us giving two upfront with Walcott running off Giroud a try. I think they could make a cracking strike partnership. But I'm mostly just tired of watching our midfield lose us games so would be happy with just that being fixed as I believe that would have a huge impact on our results. Moreso thana 50million pound striker.
posted on 21/4/14
comment by WengersBodyguard2 (U8276)
posted 30 minutes ago
Gunnerthru
How many assists, so goals, did Giroud provide in those games? Also, what were the team's stats in those games as a whole? I bet you'll find that the midfielder's stats in those games were shocking. Why is it the striker you single out if/when the whole team plays badly? They all play by the same rule IMO so to say Giroud is poor in big games when the whole team plays badly behind him is unfair.
19 chances against the top seven clubs, that's 14 games. Surely you're not going to blame him for not scoring more goals when he's getting less than two attempts a match?? That stat (if I'm understanding it right) reflects on the midfield far more than Giroud. Over the course of 14 games, that's nowhere near enough chances. I'm not saying there aren't strikers that could have gotten more. Just that Giroud is a striker who plays WITH his midfield so he will never get as many goals when they play badly. But very very few strikers do.
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In those 14 games he made one assist. The rest of your comment is rubbish btw. He does not get 2 chances a game - I clearly stated CLEAR CUT chances. Easy chances that he has squandered against top teams that have cost us points. There is 14 games there, we took a battering in 3 of them. What is the excuse for the other games? Tight matches that were often decided by his poor finishing. 0 out of 19 clear cut chances converted is fking hilarious. AND SOMEHOW YOU ARE DEFENDING IT
posted on 21/4/14
The Observant One...
Really??? Not too "observant" if you can't see the gaping whole in our midfield's defensive capability. Or that 20 goals for an EPL striker is hardly cack. By all means say he's not the best but he is far from cack.
posted on 21/4/14
It's our midfield's fault that Giroud keeps missing sitters
posted on 21/4/14
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posted on 21/4/14
comment by #AnyoneButGiroud (U18355)
posted 4 minutes ago
It's our midfield's fault that Giroud keeps missing sitters
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You need to read properly...
posted on 21/4/14
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posted on 21/4/14
both and another 2 top strikers to fight 4trophy
posted on 21/4/14
Giroud lacks service....
Poor Sagna should be on 20 assists this season. shame giroud is slower that a tree with regards to getting in the box
------------------------------
SAGNA??
Sorry but Sagna hasn't fizzed in 20 good crosses for Giroud in two seasons let alone this one alone. 5 maybe 6 times Sagna has whipped in the perfect ball and most of those Giroud has been pulled out wide to left or on the right feeding Sagna the ball. Why? Because the foward that should be doing that is up the pitch because he just had to defend after Cazorla or Arteta lost the dam ball. But yeah Giroud's cr.ap because he can't teleport himself from the wing to the six yard box.
posted on 21/4/14
For sure GT
I think our current approach only works so long as everyone is fit. Teams didn't know who to tackle when we had Walcott, Wilshere and Rosicky upfront with Giroud and all interchanging position at will. They confuse me when I'm, watchin on screen so it's no wonder the opposition is dazed. And no coinidence that we had a fit Mattieu Flamini playing in those games.
We need a top notch CDM for our current setup (never understood why AW doesn't get one since it's a basic requirement for the system) and a plan B to switch to when that's not "jamming" as such. I would love to see us giving two upfront with Walcott running off Giroud a try. I think they could make a cracking strike partnership. But I'm mostly just tired of watching our midfield lose us games so would be happy with just that being fixed as I believe that would have a huge impact on our results. Moreso thana 50million pound striker.
_____________
Surely we need another striker upfront that is completely the opposite of Giroud. I am not saying that OG is irreplaceable or has to play every game. We all know we overplayed him. I want us to change formation whoever play upfront in 4-4-2, 4-3-3 or 4-2-2-1 to make sure we are less predicatable. Maybe you watch the Bayern against United game and noticed how Bayern changed formation when United scored.
OG will get enough play time in every formation.
posted on 21/4/14
comment by #AnyoneButGiroud (U18355)
posted 14 minutes ago
It's our midfield's fault that Giroud keeps missing sitters
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By what we are creating at times (and that is sometimes appalling) our striker needs to 100 % successful. Who is? Even Suarez isnt.
posted on 21/4/14
You morons keep talking about the midfield.
Let me repeat this for you very slowly and clearly.
ZERO
GOALS
SCORED
FROM
NINETEEN
CLEAR CUT
CHANCES
posted on 21/4/14
Crosses and set pieces as a whole are an embarrassment that needs to be adressed as well and sorted out. Sagna and on the other side Gibbs e.g. cant cross for shiiiit.
posted on 21/4/14
comment by #AnyoneButGiroud (U18355)
posted 46 seconds ago
You morons keep talking about the midfield.
Let me repeat this for you very slowly and clearly.
ZERO
GOALS
SCORED
FROM
NINETEEN
CLEAR CUT
CHANCES
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Read properly and stop blaming and single out one player to fack up our whole season.
posted on 21/4/14
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posted on 21/4/14
You morons keep talking about the midfield.
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Can't name that striker I see. That'll be because he hasn't existed yet. At a strecth you could have said Andy Johnson (I think it was Johnson but I could be wrong) who played for Crystal Palace. But no big name you'll be thinking of has ever managed it.
You're throwing the word moron around whilst being moronic in your argument so I'll spell it out for you.
Yes a few of your CLEAR CUT CHANCES were sitters but every striker misses those a few times a seasaon. You want to know how Giroud missing a CLEAR CUT CHANCE can be down to the midfield.
In Moron, just for you, here's how...
If midfield have ball
midfield control game.
When striker CLEAR CUT CHANCE come
striker in PERFECT POSITION TO TAKE CHANCE.
So CLEAR CUT CHANCE is easy score.
When midfield lose ball all time and no control game
striker always scrambling back to help defend.
This mean when CLEAR CUT CHANCE come, striker is NOT IN PERFECT POSITION!!!
He one step behind play or 3 metres wide of it.
This make CLEAR CUT CHANCE MUCH MUCH HARDER SCORE because striker is OUT OF POSITION!!
No matter how good striker
striker ALWAYS struggle if he out of position when get ball.
Get it now??? Jeez
posted on 21/4/14
I really need to bookmark this comment WBG.
posted on 21/4/14
LAUGHING MY FACKING ASS OFF. YOU HAVE JUST SAID CLEAR CUT CHANCES ARE DIFFICULT TO SCORE.
WHAT A FACKING IDIOT
posted on 21/4/14
The only idiot here is you Bats. Coming up with the same old shiiiit doesnt make your point more valid. And you can put one million 's behind your comment
posted on 23/4/14
Bookmark away GT
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ABG
ANY chance is hard to score if you're two yards behind where you should be to take it because you've had to run back from defending. For example it's this difference between being right over the ball and balanced so keeping the ball down when you hit it. Or having to stretch so leaning back off the ball, being off balance so putting it over the bar.
Are you really that thick that you can't even work out that something as simple as the direction a player is facing when he gets the ball makes a big difference to how hard chance is? You know like facing goal or back to goal.
posted on 23/4/14
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posted on 23/4/14
Giroud is terrible.
posted on 23/4/14
ABG
You're only humiliating yourself. You're one of those who doesn't actually say anything to back up the point he's making, just insults people who poke holes in what you've said. Still waiting for you to name me this striker who bangs in 30 a season in front of a midfield that can't defend.
Since you are the one saying Giroud is rubbish because he can't do that, then the least you should be able to do is name a handful of strikers whom you know scored 30 in the EPL playing in front of a defensively inept midfield. Shouldn't be too hard to do if you are correct and Giroud is so rubbish.
And no RVP is no good because he had Song cleaning up the midfield behind him.
posted on 23/4/14
Giroud versus top seven: 24 appearances, 3 goals (zero away), 5.9% conversion rate (down 12.4% v rest of PL), 0/19 clear-cut chances scored.
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Still struggling to understand the fact he has scored 3 times, but none of those were 'clear cut chances', yet he had 19 clearer cut chances than those 3 goals.
Who has decided which of his chances are clear cut and which are not?
The stat, I guess I am saying, is dubious at best.
Maybe a link to the 3 goals and the 19 clear cut chances?
posted on 23/4/14
Chris H
My argument is simply that Giroud could/would perform better and score more goals if we were more defensively sound in midfield. Not rocket science, any fool knows that any striker will perform better if his midfield can keep the ball well.
Any fool accept ABG that is. This all began because he needed it explained to him how a midfield constantly losing the ball forcing their striker to scramble back and defend, had anything to do with a stiker's scoring rate.
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