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6 year contract

Hodgson was appointed by Hicks and Gillet who admitted they knew fackall about football...

A man utd legend, Fergie, appointed Moyes!

Gutted

Bit it was their jib to support their manager

He was cut from same cloth

Is there such a word as unchosen?

Whoever took over from Alex was never going to get much time, it's a shame it happened to Football Genius; he's a good manager and not just because of his time at OT.

I have to hold my hands up and retract some of my comments from the Hodgson era.

Whilst I disagree that it's a straightforward comparison (our drop from 1st to 7th is far more dramatic in my view!), I think I had forgotten what it's like as a fan to stand on the terraces and feel that gut instinct that things aren't right.

I'm sure you guys will be enjoying yourselves right now, and who can blame you.

But here's one United fan putting his hands up!

Winston....fair play son, fair play. Its horrible watching your team being fkd over by a manager who is the complete opposite to what your club is about..i mean, press conf..signings..playing style everything!

I have to hold my hands up and retract some of my comments from the Hodgson era.

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Hodgson appointed by a pair admitting they knew nothing of football in Hicks and Gillet compared to Moyes who was appointed by Fergie..

Hmmm...

Hold more up than just your hands

Redinthehead - At least we didnt finish 13th! (U1860)

Not really sure what relevance it is who was behind the appointment, to be honest.

Not really sure what relevance it is who was behind the appointment, to be honest.

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Really? Put it this way...

Would you let a pharmacist operate on you or would you want a surgeon?

Redinthehead - At least we didnt finish 13th! (U1860)

Yes, I get the point that you feel Ferguson should have been better placed to find someone capable of running United.

But that's not remotely relevant to me understanding that you felt Hodgson was not right, in the same way I felt Moyes was not right, from watching them play.

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 38 seconds ago
Redinthehead - At least we didnt finish 13th! (U1860)

Yes, I get the point that you feel Ferguson should have been better placed to find someone capable of running United.

But that's not remotely relevant to me understanding that you felt Hodgson was not right, in the same way I felt Moyes was not right, from watching them play.
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I think he's implying that we had far more reason to be angered by hodgson's appointment, as the cowboys were utterly clueless.

In your case, you should have had more faith due to the fact that your club (aka Sir Alex) appointed him. The club who 'stick by managers' couldn't even do it when he was appointed by their messiah, which is far more hypocritical after all the abuse we received during the hodgson saga.

Also for the record we were in the relegation zone under hodgson... I would say that's a bit worse than dropping a few places, ( well it's over 10 places actually)

Brennie Babes (U8994)

I think you're making a common mistake - taking what some people say, and using it against an entire fanbase.

Let's not take that approach, because it'll end in a petty argument.

This season the fans have, for the most part, been behind Moyes and the team, but we have all shared out concerns.

I'm agreeing that some of my comments about Hodgson were misplaced - I don't think you need to call me a hypocrite, because it was just a mistake. That's not hypocrisy.

In terms of whether you were more entitled to be angry - well, I'm not really sure that's a debate worth having.

The fact that Ferguson was behind the appointment makes little difference when you're standing on the terraces watching a team lack any real purpose in terms of playing style, and watching the Manager make bizarre signings that just don't fit.

Liverpool were 12th when Hodgson left, as I understand.

He still had us in the relegation zone and with the worst goal difference since the 60's.

Moyes was a proven premiership manager, whereas Hodgson wasn't. How he got the England job is a travesty. But one that will end soon...

Redinthehead - At least we didnt finish 13th! (U1860)

I think he is a good manager, in the right job.

I agree with you, now, that he wasn't the right man for Liverpool. It just didn't fit.

The England job is a difficult one. We're not good enough to win tournaments and there's no transfer kitty to look after.

He's been brought in because he is a good man for the FA's image (in their opinion) and because he's a safe option on the pitch.

I'd prefer someone else, but I can see why he was given it.

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
I have to hold my hands up and retract some of my comments from the Hodgson era.

Whilst I disagree that it's a straightforward comparison (our drop from 1st to 7th is far more dramatic in my view!), I think I had forgotten what it's like as a fan to stand on the terraces and feel that gut instinct that things aren't right.

I'm sure you guys will be enjoying yourselves right now, and who can blame you.

But here's one United fan putting his hands up!
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Respect.

Rudolph didnt make a mistake when he chose Moyes, who I think is still a very good manager. No, Rudolph's biggest mistake was not getting any money - despite his protestations to the contrary - from the window-fitters to buy players. From 2007 until 2013, what world class players did he add to the squad? How much money did he spend during that period. Don't blame Moyes for their predicament,it was self inflicted.

His biggest mistake was the panic signing of Fellaini, a square peg in a round hole at United. Even I could see that.

JimmyTheRed

Liverpool were 12th when Hodgson left, as I understand.
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Yes, somewhere around there...but about 4 points above the relegation zone, in January...it would have been risky not to sack him.

But the other difference is that it wasn’t just Hodgson we wanted out...he was not appointed to do a long-term job, like Moyes was, he was a short-term political appointment by the cowboys, and we wanted them all out Many of us hadn’t wanted Rafa sacked in the first place. We didn’t want the entire ownership structure, nor any of their appointments.

One similarity between the two situations, though, was that there were strong rumours that several players wanted to leave, as there have been at United, and that certainly doesn’t help the manager’s position.

But United are in a stange position, now. People like Gary Neville, Bobby Charlton and Fergie have always advicated a long-term approach, and in that sense, United have traditionally been similar to Liverpool and Arsenal (and I don’t think it’s a coincidence that they are the three most successful clubs). Nobody looks the part when things aren’t going well...Ferguson didn’t look the part either, for his first 5 years.

But the question now is: do the Glazers genuinely believe in this model? Seventh is in fact the ideal position from which to build long-term plans, if you are patient enough, but does this sacking send out the message that any long-term planning has to be done while retaining a place in the CL? I think that’s difficult to do, and it’s an expensive model to maintain.

The big question now is whether the Glazers are turning United into a different kind of cliub. I’ve always wondered about this.....maintaining continuity while Fergie was in charge was a no-brainer, and this is the first big test of how the club is going to be shaped under their ownership.

I have my doubts that the Glazers are going to maintain United as the same kind of club. FSG do appear to believe in it...not least because they know it’s the only model which might enable us to compete with the likes of City and Chelsea. It remains to be seen whether the Glazers are more similar to H&G than to FSG, so the next season or two are going to be critical.

The footballing side of the club still believes in the long-termist model, but is that now going to come into conflict with the financial side of the club?
We'll see...

Don't know why you received so much aggression Winston. I think you do get it, that gut feeling. You have to feel it to "get it"

It wasn't a gut feeling for me, I was disappointed Hodgson was being linked to the job, firstly because we'd just got rid of Rafa, which I was distraught about and now were replacing him with somebody who didn't have the credentials, with him claiming he had major credentials, despite them being from Scandinavia. I felt we'd made a massive backwards step in terms of the quality of manager, his achievements and his ability to tactically win games, which Rafa was great at.

However when I found out he was going to be appointed, I dropped all that and of course I was behind him. He made poor signings, Championship standard on occasions, his tactics were woeful, they weren't Liverpool tactics, they were ancient 4-4-2 defensive winger tactics which were long outdated.

There were many similarities between Hodgson's a Moyes' reigns. Both sets of fans were disappointed with their appointments but back them, until enough was enough.

Hodgson's press conferences and interviews still make me cringe at the thought of them to this day. How he said we were in a relegation fight, refused to categorically stand in massive letters 'NO' to United's apparent interest in Torres. The general downplaying of the quality of the side, there results and players becoming unhappy. He stated nobody could come in and do better, just like Moyes.

Guess what? Dalglish came in and we went on a great run, simply by changing the manager. We changed again and look where we are now.

People say, oh we're not a sacking club, we're better than that and you should give your manager more time, well no, you shouldn't, unless he has earned it. If it's not working, you change it, until you get a manager in, who sets you in a direction, if it's not working in the beginning but there's a clear direction and signs of improvement, then you stick with it and you hope you've got a long term manager, which seems to be the case now at Liverpool. If everything points to disaster, then you change it quickly. Neither Moyes nor Hodgson were remotely qualified or modern in their thinking of a long term approach, so neither were ever gonna be there for the long term.

Another thing which was similar between United and Liverpool fans during the aforementioned reigns of Hodgson and Moyes is that there were a select few fans who annoyingly for other fans were ruining the image of the fans you would like to uphold by being nasty towards the managers, when it's obvious they tried their best and didn't purposely be rubbish and it wasn't them who gave themselves the job, of course they were gonna accept it.

Wessie Road (U10652)

Interesting points.

I don't think the Glazers' have any plans but to try and keep United at the top table - hence the sacking.

I also don't think that getting rid of Moyes means that the philosophy of a long term approach needs to change.

If they think it's the wrong fit, as do many of us now, then they need to act.

Personally, I think we need to move away from the Ferguson era before we can begin thinking long term with another manager.

I suspect that the Glazer's sole interest is in money. I suspect that they think that the football club thingy will take care of itself. They don't realise that the same thingy is central to all matters ManU. Without the football, there is no club. They ignore that, as they have done so since they bought and mortgaged the club, at their peril.

JimmyTheRed