Too many words and paragraphs. Don't expect rational response.

biggest load of rubbish i have read this year. Sumary : Managers dont affect results, except that some do.

"Too many words and paragraphs. Don't expect rational response."

too many facts too

no place that kind of nonsense here

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So money is 90% of league position yet man utd have won 5 of the last 9 league titles even though Chelsea and Man city have spent nearly double? While Liverpool has spent marginally more than united in the last 9 years but haven't won the league either. I see absolutely no correlation between money and league position at all. This is the biggest pile of rubbish I've seen. The fact this guy actually spent time on this and came to these conclusions just makes him seem a bit thick.

I think he's spot on TBH

Managers don't make a difference except man utd who are 4th -5th biggest spenders since the premier league began have won it more than half the time. Sorry but how the fluck did he draw his conclusions? There is actually no logic at all in what he's saying.

If what he's saying us true then on 90% of occasions the highest spending team wiykd win the league. Wonderland a few years ago were 3rd highest spenders for a couple of seasons but were still scrapping for relegation.

Sunderland that was meant to say

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My mistake, didn't read it properly. Still think the findings are a load of rubbish though. Mancini should of won the title every year but he was useless. Managers clearly make a massive difference. Just look at Ferguson, mourinho, Rodgers and pulis as examples.

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Pulis?

You telling me if we had swapped managers with Liverpool this season, the two clubs would be in the same respective positions?

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Well yes, there is a general correlation between league position and wage bill - everyone knows that.

But at the top of the PL where margins are fine, managers make a huge, huge difference. Would Wenger have won today at Anfield with that Chelsea team? Probably not.

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Well yes, there is a general correlation between league position and wage bill - everyone knows that.

But at the top of the PL where margins are fine, managers make a huge, huge difference. Would Wenger have won today at Anfield with that Chelsea team? Probably not.
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Definitely not.

Wenger's won at anfield plenty of times. With worse players than Chelsea put out today against a better Liverpool sides.

I wonder if this guy took qpr and Fulham into his wage bill to success relationship?

Did we top the wage table this year?

I actually found Soccernomics to be an extremely interesting and enlightening analysis of football in general, but that's the problem, it generalises.

While their research makes a strong case that wages are the best predictor of league form, there are strict limits to their findings.

They compare wage bills with league positions to identify the best managers, which is a fair way to identify them, but they don't take into account the fact that managers have styles, strengths and weaknesses (rightly so, as they would never be able to accurately model the game to that sort of detail).

For this reason, the book helps to explain the big picture, where data samples are large enough to overcome the lack of predictability in football, but is very shaky when it comes to making specific predictions.



As for the whole "players not trying argument" I am undecided. Obviously no player makes a mistake on purpose, but if they don't agree with the manager's tactics and think he is incompetent, then they are likely to pay less attention to them, meaning that any attempt by a manager to adopt a certain style is hamstrung.

I also think that players are probably less likely to track back and work for the team when they are playing under a manager that they don't respect.

"My mistake, didn't read it properly. Still think the findings are a load of rubbish though. Mancini should of won the title every year but he was useless."

He shouldn't though, he should have finished in the top two when he did and top three when he did to fit to their findings. You need to read the book really, it's general point is right. As rusty says, it can't be used for specific predictions, but at the same time it never professes it can be.

Pay as you play, which takes into account squad value as well as wages, is better for me though.

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Managers do not affect results? Enter David Moyes