comment by VCD © (U13761)
But he isn't going to improve he will decline more and more.
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You could say the same about Rooney.
comment by Benched (U7195)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by VCD © (U13761)
posted 2 minutes ago
Don't care where Carrick plays, he is a CM and should be able to create chances from there.
Not good enough just to say he breaks up play a CM needs to do more.
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What does Matic, Martinez and Busquets do?
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Those 3 above are far more mobile and offer a lot more than Carrick does. Matic is a monster of a player, Carrick isn't as has never been a tough tackler.
for somone that "breaks up play" he doesn't half pull out of tackles a lot
comment by Benched (U7195)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by VCD © (U13761)
But he isn't going to improve he will decline more and more.
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You could say the same about Rooney.
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But Rooney is only 28 and still is quick, Carrick soon 33 and always been slow now even slower.
Benched, you seem to be making out that i'm having a go about Carrick.
I'm not, i'm simply saying that Man Utd needs a major overhaul and Carrick is as much of the problem as anyone else.
He isn't the player we need, he is a good backup yes but we need some proper world class CM's and it's about time.
comment by Benched (U7195)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by VCD © (U13761)
But he isn't going to improve he will decline more and more.
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You could say the same about Rooney.
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no you couldnt
comment by blabla (U11635)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Benched (U7195)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by VCD © (U13761)
But he isn't going to improve he will decline more and more.
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You could say the same about Rooney.
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no you couldnt
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Is Rooney going to get better as he gets older?
Agree with the OP, we actually should have replaced Carrick 2 years ago, good player but his passing range is vastly over rated.
His short passing game and positioning are good, that's about it.
I always forget how old Carrick is. Needs phasing out for sure
comment by VCD © (U13761)
posted 9 minutes ago
with a 33 and 34 year old in CM England might as well not bother going.
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and a 36 year old in Lampard (well he turns 36 during the tournament).
i can't see all 3 going tbh... i think Carrick will miss out
I'm glad a few agree. Thought I'd get Tom of abuse for this. Which I didn't want
comment by He's French, He's Flash... (U9335)
posted 43 minutes ago
Ok this is not a Carrick bashing
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Carrick is the most over-rated footballer at this club, so i'll stop you right there
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no, that's rafael
comment by Earl Brutus (U1449)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by He's French, He's Flash... (U9335)
posted 43 minutes ago
Ok this is not a Carrick bashing
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Carrick is the most over-rated footballer at this club, so i'll stop you right there
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no, that's rafael
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I'd like to see a stat where someone could assess the defensive proficiency of full backs in the PL. (i.e. side of pitch where goals come from). Fairly certain almost all against us when Rafael is playing come down Evra's side.
comment by Benched (U7195)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Earl Brutus (U1449)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by He's French, He's Flash... (U9335)
posted 43 minutes ago
Ok this is not a Carrick bashing
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Carrick is the most over-rated footballer at this club, so i'll stop you right there
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no, that's rafael
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I'd like to see a stat where someone could assess the defensive proficiency of full backs in the PL. (i.e. side of pitch where goals come from). Fairly certain almost all against us when Rafael is playing come down Evra's side.
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Evra doesn't do defending though.
comment by Benched (U7195)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by blabla (U11635)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Benched (U7195)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by VCD © (U13761)
But he isn't going to improve he will decline more and more.
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You could say the same about Rooney.
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no you couldnt
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Is Rooney going to get better as he gets older?
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Benched both players are obviously at different stages of their careers age and form wise.
Carrick is a player I have always enjoyed watching. A player who plays the game with an ease that few manage
Last season he was a joy to watch for me personally but of course, this season his standards have not been the same
Partly due to his own form of course but alot is down to the utter garbage around him too
He isn't a Keane or Scholes. Never has been. He isn't the sort of player who will take the game by the scruff of the neck. Basically put, if the players around him are playing poor, he will look poor too. Carrick needs an outlet. If there isn't one forward, he won;t just hoof it, he'll play it safe.
If there is an outlet, his accuracy, if you watch closely, is jaw dropping at times, Pace, direction. Good with both feet too.
He's a shadow marker. He looks where dangers may occur and cuts out supply lines. He trusts other players to do their jobs. He won't chase a player with the ball that is heading in a direction where we have plenty of cover. He'll turn and look for where the next danger might come and he'll cut out that danger before it arises.. His intercept stats are no fluke.
We have played him far too deep for me. He's been the best passer at the club since a Scholes pomp and we haven't utilised that in the way we should have sadly.
Carrick could easily play a part in a 3 man midfield for us still but in a 2, his best days are now probably behind him.
He's been a great player for us though, make no mistake, and he's been the one constant in an ever changing midfield for ages now and we have won plenty with him in there too.
Deserved his player of the season last season for me but if we are looking to have world class players in all positions like we used to have, then Carrick isn't one of the midfielder we need. Certainly not as a first choice anyway.
If the plan is a more dynamic approach, Carrick's laid back style will simply not suit.
He's been an unsung hero for United
I think he has always been slow, and his passing is overrated at times.
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yep He aint quick
You' have to be having a laugh if you think his passing is overrated though
comment by Benched (U7195)
posted 1 hour, 54 minutes ago
comment by VCD © (U13761)
posted 2 minutes ago
Don't care where Carrick plays, he is a CM and should be able to create chances from there.
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To get plenty of assists, you have to play in a position to get some
Remember when Fergie joked about Carrick being fined for being too far forward after scoring a goal once?
comment by UnitedRedMacca (U2024)
posted 23 minutes ago
Carrick is a player I have always enjoyed watching. A player who plays the game with an ease that few manage
Last season he was a joy to watch for me personally but of course, this season his standards have not been the same
Partly due to his own form of course but alot is down to the utter garbage around him too
He isn't a Keane or Scholes. Never has been. He isn't the sort of player who will take the game by the scruff of the neck. Basically put, if the players around him are playing poor, he will look poor too. Carrick needs an outlet. If there isn't one forward, he won;t just hoof it, he'll play it safe.
If there is an outlet, his accuracy, if you watch closely, is jaw dropping at times, Pace, direction. Good with both feet too.
He's a shadow marker. He looks where dangers may occur and cuts out supply lines. He trusts other players to do their jobs. He won't chase a player with the ball that is heading in a direction where we have plenty of cover. He'll turn and look for where the next danger might come and he'll cut out that danger before it arises.. His intercept stats are no fluke.
We have played him far too deep for me. He's been the best passer at the club since a Scholes pomp and we haven't utilised that in the way we should have sadly.
Carrick could easily play a part in a 3 man midfield for us still but in a 2, his best days are now probably behind him.
He's been a great player for us though, make no mistake, and he's been the one constant in an ever changing midfield for ages now and we have won plenty with him in there too.
Deserved his player of the season last season for me but if we are looking to have world class players in all positions like we used to have, then Carrick isn't one of the midfielder we need. Certainly not as a first choice anyway.
If the plan is a more dynamic approach, Carrick's laid back style will simply not suit.
He's been an unsung hero for United
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Best comments I have seen regarding Carrick for some time and I totally agree. If anything his passing is underrated. I love the way he pings it into the feet of forwards at times. Not his fault if they can't control it.
have seen Silva to likewise lately but not many British players seem to be coached to do this.
He's a shadow marker. He looks where dangers may occur and cuts out supply lines. He trusts other players to do their jobs. He won't chase a player with the ball that is heading in a direction where we have plenty of cover. He'll turn and look for where the next danger might come and he'll cut out that danger before it arises
..............
This in my opinion is his biggest fault and why he isn't a DM.
And why he should never ever play alongside Fletch who also marks shadows but not as well.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 hours, 17 minutes ago
I have said for ages now that we are playing Carrick in the wrong position.
He is not, never was, and never will be a DM. We have wasted the talent he does have, playing him there. He should have always been played further forwards.
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I've been saying this for ages. He would have been more influential further up the pitch.
Time for him to be replaced
Anyone else share the view that Carrick's best days are gone?
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Absolute huge fan of Michael Carrick. 06-09 he was brilliant, had one bad season but really up'd his game in the last 2 seasons for us.
However, this season his age is completely showing now, 33 at the end of the season. He's become completely incapable of threading balls forward, which he was brilliant at doing before.
Sad to see him go, but he needs replacing now.
comment by UnitedRedMacca (U2024)
posted 1 hour, 55 minutes ago
Carrick is a player I have always enjoyed watching. A player who plays the game with an ease that few manage
Last season he was a joy to watch for me personally but of course, this season his standards have not been the same
Partly due to his own form of course but alot is down to the utter garbage around him too
He isn't a Keane or Scholes. Never has been. He isn't the sort of player who will take the game by the scruff of the neck. Basically put, if the players around him are playing poor, he will look poor too. Carrick needs an outlet. If there isn't one forward, he won;t just hoof it, he'll play it safe.
If there is an outlet, his accuracy, if you watch closely, is jaw dropping at times, Pace, direction. Good with both feet too.
He's a shadow marker. He looks where dangers may occur and cuts out supply lines. He trusts other players to do their jobs. He won't chase a player with the ball that is heading in a direction where we have plenty of cover. He'll turn and look for where the next danger might come and he'll cut out that danger before it arises.. His intercept stats are no fluke.
We have played him far too deep for me. He's been the best passer at the club since a Scholes pomp and we haven't utilised that in the way we should have sadly.
Carrick could easily play a part in a 3 man midfield for us still but in a 2, his best days are now probably behind him.
He's been a great player for us though, make no mistake, and he's been the one constant in an ever changing midfield for ages now and we have won plenty with him in there too.
Deserved his player of the season last season for me but if we are looking to have world class players in all positions like we used to have, then Carrick isn't one of the midfielder we need. Certainly not as a first choice anyway.
If the plan is a more dynamic approach, Carrick's laid back style will simply not suit.
He's been an unsung hero for United
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I LvG is quite flexible formation wise, but if he does opt for a 433, then Carrick at the base of the 3 with clever, mobile and energetic players next to him will bring out the best in him. That way he can mark shadows but not leave us exposed when pressing as he'd have players next to him who can do the pressing. Also frees him up a bit when in possession of the ball.
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posted on 8/5/14
comment by VCD © (U13761)
But he isn't going to improve he will decline more and more.
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You could say the same about Rooney.
posted on 8/5/14
comment by Benched (U7195)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by VCD © (U13761)
posted 2 minutes ago
Don't care where Carrick plays, he is a CM and should be able to create chances from there.
Not good enough just to say he breaks up play a CM needs to do more.
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What does Matic, Martinez and Busquets do?
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Those 3 above are far more mobile and offer a lot more than Carrick does. Matic is a monster of a player, Carrick isn't as has never been a tough tackler.
for somone that "breaks up play" he doesn't half pull out of tackles a lot
posted on 8/5/14
comment by Benched (U7195)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by VCD © (U13761)
But he isn't going to improve he will decline more and more.
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You could say the same about Rooney.
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But Rooney is only 28 and still is quick, Carrick soon 33 and always been slow now even slower.
posted on 8/5/14
Benched, you seem to be making out that i'm having a go about Carrick.
I'm not, i'm simply saying that Man Utd needs a major overhaul and Carrick is as much of the problem as anyone else.
He isn't the player we need, he is a good backup yes but we need some proper world class CM's and it's about time.
posted on 8/5/14
comment by Benched (U7195)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by VCD © (U13761)
But he isn't going to improve he will decline more and more.
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You could say the same about Rooney.
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no you couldnt
posted on 8/5/14
comment by blabla (U11635)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Benched (U7195)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by VCD © (U13761)
But he isn't going to improve he will decline more and more.
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You could say the same about Rooney.
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no you couldnt
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Is Rooney going to get better as he gets older?
posted on 8/5/14
Agree with the OP, we actually should have replaced Carrick 2 years ago, good player but his passing range is vastly over rated.
His short passing game and positioning are good, that's about it.
posted on 8/5/14
I always forget how old Carrick is. Needs phasing out for sure
posted on 8/5/14
comment by VCD © (U13761)
posted 9 minutes ago
with a 33 and 34 year old in CM England might as well not bother going.
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and a 36 year old in Lampard (well he turns 36 during the tournament).
i can't see all 3 going tbh... i think Carrick will miss out
posted on 8/5/14
I'm glad a few agree. Thought I'd get Tom of abuse for this. Which I didn't want
posted on 8/5/14
comment by He's French, He's Flash... (U9335)
posted 43 minutes ago
Ok this is not a Carrick bashing
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Carrick is the most over-rated footballer at this club, so i'll stop you right there
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no, that's rafael
posted on 8/5/14
comment by Earl Brutus (U1449)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by He's French, He's Flash... (U9335)
posted 43 minutes ago
Ok this is not a Carrick bashing
-
Carrick is the most over-rated footballer at this club, so i'll stop you right there
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no, that's rafael
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I'd like to see a stat where someone could assess the defensive proficiency of full backs in the PL. (i.e. side of pitch where goals come from). Fairly certain almost all against us when Rafael is playing come down Evra's side.
posted on 8/5/14
comment by Benched (U7195)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Earl Brutus (U1449)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by He's French, He's Flash... (U9335)
posted 43 minutes ago
Ok this is not a Carrick bashing
-
Carrick is the most over-rated footballer at this club, so i'll stop you right there
----------------------------------------------------------------------
no, that's rafael
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'd like to see a stat where someone could assess the defensive proficiency of full backs in the PL. (i.e. side of pitch where goals come from). Fairly certain almost all against us when Rafael is playing come down Evra's side.
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Evra doesn't do defending though.
posted on 8/5/14
comment by Benched (U7195)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by blabla (U11635)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Benched (U7195)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by VCD © (U13761)
But he isn't going to improve he will decline more and more.
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You could say the same about Rooney.
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no you couldnt
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Is Rooney going to get better as he gets older?
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Benched both players are obviously at different stages of their careers age and form wise.
posted on 8/5/14
Carrick is a player I have always enjoyed watching. A player who plays the game with an ease that few manage
Last season he was a joy to watch for me personally but of course, this season his standards have not been the same
Partly due to his own form of course but alot is down to the utter garbage around him too
He isn't a Keane or Scholes. Never has been. He isn't the sort of player who will take the game by the scruff of the neck. Basically put, if the players around him are playing poor, he will look poor too. Carrick needs an outlet. If there isn't one forward, he won;t just hoof it, he'll play it safe.
If there is an outlet, his accuracy, if you watch closely, is jaw dropping at times, Pace, direction. Good with both feet too.
He's a shadow marker. He looks where dangers may occur and cuts out supply lines. He trusts other players to do their jobs. He won't chase a player with the ball that is heading in a direction where we have plenty of cover. He'll turn and look for where the next danger might come and he'll cut out that danger before it arises.. His intercept stats are no fluke.
We have played him far too deep for me. He's been the best passer at the club since a Scholes pomp and we haven't utilised that in the way we should have sadly.
Carrick could easily play a part in a 3 man midfield for us still but in a 2, his best days are now probably behind him.
He's been a great player for us though, make no mistake, and he's been the one constant in an ever changing midfield for ages now and we have won plenty with him in there too.
Deserved his player of the season last season for me but if we are looking to have world class players in all positions like we used to have, then Carrick isn't one of the midfielder we need. Certainly not as a first choice anyway.
If the plan is a more dynamic approach, Carrick's laid back style will simply not suit.
He's been an unsung hero for United
posted on 8/5/14
I think he has always been slow, and his passing is overrated at times.
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yep He aint quick
You' have to be having a laugh if you think his passing is overrated though
posted on 8/5/14
comment by Benched (U7195)
posted 1 hour, 54 minutes ago
comment by VCD © (U13761)
posted 2 minutes ago
Don't care where Carrick plays, he is a CM and should be able to create chances from there.
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To get plenty of assists, you have to play in a position to get some
Remember when Fergie joked about Carrick being fined for being too far forward after scoring a goal once?
posted on 8/5/14
comment by UnitedRedMacca (U2024)
posted 23 minutes ago
Carrick is a player I have always enjoyed watching. A player who plays the game with an ease that few manage
Last season he was a joy to watch for me personally but of course, this season his standards have not been the same
Partly due to his own form of course but alot is down to the utter garbage around him too
He isn't a Keane or Scholes. Never has been. He isn't the sort of player who will take the game by the scruff of the neck. Basically put, if the players around him are playing poor, he will look poor too. Carrick needs an outlet. If there isn't one forward, he won;t just hoof it, he'll play it safe.
If there is an outlet, his accuracy, if you watch closely, is jaw dropping at times, Pace, direction. Good with both feet too.
He's a shadow marker. He looks where dangers may occur and cuts out supply lines. He trusts other players to do their jobs. He won't chase a player with the ball that is heading in a direction where we have plenty of cover. He'll turn and look for where the next danger might come and he'll cut out that danger before it arises.. His intercept stats are no fluke.
We have played him far too deep for me. He's been the best passer at the club since a Scholes pomp and we haven't utilised that in the way we should have sadly.
Carrick could easily play a part in a 3 man midfield for us still but in a 2, his best days are now probably behind him.
He's been a great player for us though, make no mistake, and he's been the one constant in an ever changing midfield for ages now and we have won plenty with him in there too.
Deserved his player of the season last season for me but if we are looking to have world class players in all positions like we used to have, then Carrick isn't one of the midfielder we need. Certainly not as a first choice anyway.
If the plan is a more dynamic approach, Carrick's laid back style will simply not suit.
He's been an unsung hero for United
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Best comments I have seen regarding Carrick for some time and I totally agree. If anything his passing is underrated. I love the way he pings it into the feet of forwards at times. Not his fault if they can't control it.
have seen Silva to likewise lately but not many British players seem to be coached to do this.
posted on 8/5/14
He's a shadow marker. He looks where dangers may occur and cuts out supply lines. He trusts other players to do their jobs. He won't chase a player with the ball that is heading in a direction where we have plenty of cover. He'll turn and look for where the next danger might come and he'll cut out that danger before it arises
..............
This in my opinion is his biggest fault and why he isn't a DM.
And why he should never ever play alongside Fletch who also marks shadows but not as well.
posted on 8/5/14
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 hours, 17 minutes ago
I have said for ages now that we are playing Carrick in the wrong position.
He is not, never was, and never will be a DM. We have wasted the talent he does have, playing him there. He should have always been played further forwards.
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I've been saying this for ages. He would have been more influential further up the pitch.
Time for him to be replaced
posted on 8/5/14
Anyone else share the view that Carrick's best days are gone?
------------
Absolute huge fan of Michael Carrick. 06-09 he was brilliant, had one bad season but really up'd his game in the last 2 seasons for us.
However, this season his age is completely showing now, 33 at the end of the season. He's become completely incapable of threading balls forward, which he was brilliant at doing before.
Sad to see him go, but he needs replacing now.
posted on 8/5/14
comment by UnitedRedMacca (U2024)
posted 1 hour, 55 minutes ago
Carrick is a player I have always enjoyed watching. A player who plays the game with an ease that few manage
Last season he was a joy to watch for me personally but of course, this season his standards have not been the same
Partly due to his own form of course but alot is down to the utter garbage around him too
He isn't a Keane or Scholes. Never has been. He isn't the sort of player who will take the game by the scruff of the neck. Basically put, if the players around him are playing poor, he will look poor too. Carrick needs an outlet. If there isn't one forward, he won;t just hoof it, he'll play it safe.
If there is an outlet, his accuracy, if you watch closely, is jaw dropping at times, Pace, direction. Good with both feet too.
He's a shadow marker. He looks where dangers may occur and cuts out supply lines. He trusts other players to do their jobs. He won't chase a player with the ball that is heading in a direction where we have plenty of cover. He'll turn and look for where the next danger might come and he'll cut out that danger before it arises.. His intercept stats are no fluke.
We have played him far too deep for me. He's been the best passer at the club since a Scholes pomp and we haven't utilised that in the way we should have sadly.
Carrick could easily play a part in a 3 man midfield for us still but in a 2, his best days are now probably behind him.
He's been a great player for us though, make no mistake, and he's been the one constant in an ever changing midfield for ages now and we have won plenty with him in there too.
Deserved his player of the season last season for me but if we are looking to have world class players in all positions like we used to have, then Carrick isn't one of the midfielder we need. Certainly not as a first choice anyway.
If the plan is a more dynamic approach, Carrick's laid back style will simply not suit.
He's been an unsung hero for United
----------------------------------------------------------------------
posted on 8/5/14
I LvG is quite flexible formation wise, but if he does opt for a 433, then Carrick at the base of the 3 with clever, mobile and energetic players next to him will bring out the best in him. That way he can mark shadows but not leave us exposed when pressing as he'd have players next to him who can do the pressing. Also frees him up a bit when in possession of the ball.
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