comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 44 minutes ago
I would say there are millions of women who have a genetic advantage over me in various sports seeing as there are women who can run the 100m in about ten seconds. I could have trained my entire life with the best coaches and still not have clocked that time so how does that work?
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Genetic in that it’s how they were born. It’s stating the obvious that not everyone is born equal, and it’s completely different to someone who artificially changes their gender and then wants to compete in professional sport.
If this is allowed it will completely destroy the integrity of competitive sport. We’ll have the Chinese and Russians forcing their sportspersons to change their gender in order to gain the ultimate advantage.
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In terms of your athletics etc. How low down the best times/scores for men can you go before you get to the female world record? If fairly low ranking men could be elite female then there's a possible issue. I mean what if Caitlyn Jenner had transitioned when young - men could barely compete and she set a record that will never be beaten by a woman so any female athlete will know for a fact they could never get the world record.
And then you have sports like rugby where it could be just genuinely dangerous!
I also fail to see how the LGBT can be so pro non binary and then have an issue with male/female sports. Surely they should just campaign for all sport to be totally mixed.
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 44 minutes ago
I would say there are millions of women who have a genetic advantage over me in various sports seeing as there are women who can run the 100m in about ten seconds. I could have trained my entire life with the best coaches and still not have clocked that time so how does that work?
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Genetic in that it’s how they were born. It’s stating the obvious that not everyone is born equal, and it’s completely different to someone who artificially changes their gender and then wants to compete in professional sport.
If this is allowed it will completely destroy the integrity of competitive sport. We’ll have the Chinese and Russians forcing their sportspersons to change their gender in order to gain the ultimate advantage.
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But we have had instances of it and none of that happened. At all.
If everyone agrees who is competing I really don't see a problem with and why would I? There isn't one.
I get the impression that people feel this would lead it a load of 18 stone blokes in a womens race but although I dont hold any qualifications in the subject unlike others on here I'm pretty sure it would just be ten women in a race.
The instance where I've seen it is in MMA and I'm absolutely positive all those women could kick the fvck out of me if they so wished.
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 22 hours, 16 minutes ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 1 hour, 31 minutes ago
I'm all for experimentation really because players come and go at International level and it's changing all the time, but the most successful International sides play to the strengths of their strongest area.
Our squad now reminds me somewhat of 2010 Holland. Potentially ruthless going forward, but vulnerable at the back. Not an exact comparison however. But they played to the strengths of their attacking players and their best players and they made for a very successful 2010 World Cup campaign despite losing in the final
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To get all our strengths in though, you're talking about two attacking full backs and only one "defensive" midfielder. And when you're CBs are Stones and Maguire with a fairly limited holding player, I think we'd get destroyed by the first decent team we play against.
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It's not just about the personnel and the defensive players we have by trade though as the positional play to the attacking players is important as well. It's all well and good saying we would only have three defensive minded players who aren't very good, but when you're attacking trio is the likes of Sancho, Kane and Grealish with the likes of Mount, Foden, TAA and Chilwell as your second attacking line for example, with Henderson to supplement this between the defence and the attack, you've got a potential system there that will tear any defence in the Euro's to shreds and I can imagine most sides would prefer to contain our attack as opposed to attack our defence. Making it a basketball match against our talent up top is a death sentence.
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 44 minutes ago
I would say there are millions of women who have a genetic advantage over me in various sports seeing as there are women who can run the 100m in about ten seconds. I could have trained my entire life with the best coaches and still not have clocked that time so how does that work?
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Genetic in that it’s how they were born. It’s stating the obvious that not everyone is born equal, and it’s completely different to someone who artificially changes their gender and then wants to compete in professional sport.
If this is allowed it will completely destroy the integrity of competitive sport. We’ll have the Chinese and Russians forcing their sportspersons to change their gender in order to gain the ultimate advantage.
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But we have had instances of it and none of that happened. At all.
If everyone agrees who is competing I really don't see a problem with and why would I? There isn't one.
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Without knowing for sure, I’m assuming these instances are pretty isolated? If it becomes more widespread and more ‘ex males’ start winning titles in female sport, do you honestly think it won’t become an issue?
The instance where I've seen it is in MMA and I'm absolutely positive all those women could kick the fvck out of me if they so wished.
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So are you a professional MMA fighter? If not then I have no idea what your point is.
Of course it will, look at Caster Semenya as an example the furore around an intersex woman winning medals
that would only be worse if you introduce trans im afraid, It shouldnt be allowed imo, integrity of sport, and opportunity for women would be severely diminished
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Because what I'm reading seems to be based on gender rather than science. They're not male are they and I'm pretty sure having your balls cut off and being pumped full of estrogen takes the edge off.
Messi better give back all his medals too fwiw.
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comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 28 seconds ago
Because what I'm reading seems to be based on gender rather than science. They're not male are they and I'm pretty sure having your balls cut off and being pumped full of estrogen takes the edge off.
Messi better give back all his medals too fwiw.
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But scientifically, those that are competing have an unfair advantage.
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I don't know, do they? Simply by used to being a man? I need need to read more about it clearly but I'm almost certain there's more to it than simply being born a bloke.
In my head though short sticky people will be better at dead lifting than me regardless.
comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 7 minutes ago
Because what I'm reading seems to be based on gender rather than science. They're not male are they and I'm pretty sure having your balls cut off and being pumped full of estrogen takes the edge off.
Messi better give back all his medals too fwiw.
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I agree he's a drug cheat.
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Titty's moment has come
And by sticky I mean stocky.
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 5 minutes ago
And by sticky I mean stocky.
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Sticky’s better, that’s how I like my women!!!!
comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 7 minutes ago
Because what I'm reading seems to be based on gender rather than science. They're not male are they and I'm pretty sure having your balls cut off and being pumped full of estrogen takes the edge off.
Messi better give back all his medals too fwiw.
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I agree he's a drug cheat.
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Also Caster is an intersex woman?
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 28 seconds ago
Because what I'm reading seems to be based on gender rather than science. They're not male are they and I'm pretty sure having your balls cut off and being pumped full of estrogen takes the edge off.
Messi better give back all his medals too fwiw.
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But scientifically, those that are competing have an unfair advantage.
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I don't know, do they? Simply by used to being a man? I need need to read more about it clearly but I'm almost certain there's more to it than simply being born a bloke.
In my head though short sticky people will be better at dead lifting than me regardless.
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I don’t think there is much more to it though.
When it comes to anything involving strength and endurance, those at comparable levels in professional sport, the men will always be better than the women.
The best male tennis player in the world will be better than the best female. Athletics records in mens events are always superior to womens, and so on.
The one thing I don’t know like yourself is how muscle mass and other things alter once you make the change. If it alters it to the degree that a man would suddenly have exactly the same physique as a comparable female in a sport then it probably wouldn’t be an issue. But if that was the case then surely there are serious health implications for that person???
Transgender women take the female hormone oestrogen and testosterone-blockers before having any surgery, and continue to take oestrogen after their transition. This results in radical physiological changes, with muscle mass, strength and speed all reduced. It also compounds ageing.
In essence it puts them on a similar level to women of the same size, and there are set limits to the amount of testosterone transgender athletes can have in their bodies before they compete. That is an issue currently being debated in women's athletics.
Research being used as the basis for the decision on permissible testosterone levels in athletes also suggests naturally occurring testosterone makes a minimal difference to performance compared to when it is taken through doping, for example.
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So they become women, age faster, there's no discernable difference in performance and if there is too much testosterone they're not allowed to compete anyway.
Talk about messing with nature though....
In basketball Rudy Gobert in 2019 scored more slam dunks in one game than there are total dunks in the entire history of the WNBA.
It's pretty bloody obvious men have a physical advantage.
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 15 minutes ago
Transgender women take the female hormone oestrogen and testosterone-blockers before having any surgery, and continue to take oestrogen after their transition. This results in radical physiological changes, with muscle mass, strength and speed all reduced. It also compounds ageing.
In essence it puts them on a similar level to women of the same size, and there are set limits to the amount of testosterone transgender athletes can have in their bodies before they compete. That is an issue currently being debated in women's athletics.
Research being used as the basis for the decision on permissible testosterone levels in athletes also suggests naturally occurring testosterone makes a minimal difference to performance compared to when it is taken through doping, for example.
============
So they become women, age faster, there's no discernable difference in performance and if there is too much testosterone they're not allowed to compete anyway.
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Pretty much how I understand it however in Caster's case her body naturally creates and absorbs more testosterone although they never proved scientifically that she's intersex. Only that her body has more testosterone than her female counter parts.
Imagine they allow transgender athletes to compete first when they could even allow an actual woman to compete
It's going to open a can of worms but it's a good thing to have these discussions.
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posted on 2/6/21
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 44 minutes ago
I would say there are millions of women who have a genetic advantage over me in various sports seeing as there are women who can run the 100m in about ten seconds. I could have trained my entire life with the best coaches and still not have clocked that time so how does that work?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Genetic in that it’s how they were born. It’s stating the obvious that not everyone is born equal, and it’s completely different to someone who artificially changes their gender and then wants to compete in professional sport.
If this is allowed it will completely destroy the integrity of competitive sport. We’ll have the Chinese and Russians forcing their sportspersons to change their gender in order to gain the ultimate advantage.
posted on 2/6/21
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posted on 2/6/21
In terms of your athletics etc. How low down the best times/scores for men can you go before you get to the female world record? If fairly low ranking men could be elite female then there's a possible issue. I mean what if Caitlyn Jenner had transitioned when young - men could barely compete and she set a record that will never be beaten by a woman so any female athlete will know for a fact they could never get the world record.
And then you have sports like rugby where it could be just genuinely dangerous!
I also fail to see how the LGBT can be so pro non binary and then have an issue with male/female sports. Surely they should just campaign for all sport to be totally mixed.
posted on 2/6/21
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 44 minutes ago
I would say there are millions of women who have a genetic advantage over me in various sports seeing as there are women who can run the 100m in about ten seconds. I could have trained my entire life with the best coaches and still not have clocked that time so how does that work?
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Genetic in that it’s how they were born. It’s stating the obvious that not everyone is born equal, and it’s completely different to someone who artificially changes their gender and then wants to compete in professional sport.
If this is allowed it will completely destroy the integrity of competitive sport. We’ll have the Chinese and Russians forcing their sportspersons to change their gender in order to gain the ultimate advantage.
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But we have had instances of it and none of that happened. At all.
If everyone agrees who is competing I really don't see a problem with and why would I? There isn't one.
posted on 2/6/21
I get the impression that people feel this would lead it a load of 18 stone blokes in a womens race but although I dont hold any qualifications in the subject unlike others on here I'm pretty sure it would just be ten women in a race.
The instance where I've seen it is in MMA and I'm absolutely positive all those women could kick the fvck out of me if they so wished.
posted on 2/6/21
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 22 hours, 16 minutes ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 1 hour, 31 minutes ago
I'm all for experimentation really because players come and go at International level and it's changing all the time, but the most successful International sides play to the strengths of their strongest area.
Our squad now reminds me somewhat of 2010 Holland. Potentially ruthless going forward, but vulnerable at the back. Not an exact comparison however. But they played to the strengths of their attacking players and their best players and they made for a very successful 2010 World Cup campaign despite losing in the final
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To get all our strengths in though, you're talking about two attacking full backs and only one "defensive" midfielder. And when you're CBs are Stones and Maguire with a fairly limited holding player, I think we'd get destroyed by the first decent team we play against.
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It's not just about the personnel and the defensive players we have by trade though as the positional play to the attacking players is important as well. It's all well and good saying we would only have three defensive minded players who aren't very good, but when you're attacking trio is the likes of Sancho, Kane and Grealish with the likes of Mount, Foden, TAA and Chilwell as your second attacking line for example, with Henderson to supplement this between the defence and the attack, you've got a potential system there that will tear any defence in the Euro's to shreds and I can imagine most sides would prefer to contain our attack as opposed to attack our defence. Making it a basketball match against our talent up top is a death sentence.
posted on 2/6/21
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 44 minutes ago
I would say there are millions of women who have a genetic advantage over me in various sports seeing as there are women who can run the 100m in about ten seconds. I could have trained my entire life with the best coaches and still not have clocked that time so how does that work?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Genetic in that it’s how they were born. It’s stating the obvious that not everyone is born equal, and it’s completely different to someone who artificially changes their gender and then wants to compete in professional sport.
If this is allowed it will completely destroy the integrity of competitive sport. We’ll have the Chinese and Russians forcing their sportspersons to change their gender in order to gain the ultimate advantage.
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But we have had instances of it and none of that happened. At all.
If everyone agrees who is competing I really don't see a problem with and why would I? There isn't one.
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Without knowing for sure, I’m assuming these instances are pretty isolated? If it becomes more widespread and more ‘ex males’ start winning titles in female sport, do you honestly think it won’t become an issue?
posted on 2/6/21
The instance where I've seen it is in MMA and I'm absolutely positive all those women could kick the fvck out of me if they so wished.
—————-
So are you a professional MMA fighter? If not then I have no idea what your point is.
posted on 2/6/21
Of course it will, look at Caster Semenya as an example the furore around an intersex woman winning medals
that would only be worse if you introduce trans im afraid, It shouldnt be allowed imo, integrity of sport, and opportunity for women would be severely diminished
posted on 2/6/21
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posted on 2/6/21
Because what I'm reading seems to be based on gender rather than science. They're not male are they and I'm pretty sure having your balls cut off and being pumped full of estrogen takes the edge off.
Messi better give back all his medals too fwiw.
posted on 2/6/21
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posted on 2/6/21
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posted on 2/6/21
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 28 seconds ago
Because what I'm reading seems to be based on gender rather than science. They're not male are they and I'm pretty sure having your balls cut off and being pumped full of estrogen takes the edge off.
Messi better give back all his medals too fwiw.
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But scientifically, those that are competing have an unfair advantage.
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I don't know, do they? Simply by used to being a man? I need need to read more about it clearly but I'm almost certain there's more to it than simply being born a bloke.
In my head though short sticky people will be better at dead lifting than me regardless.
posted on 2/6/21
comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 7 minutes ago
Because what I'm reading seems to be based on gender rather than science. They're not male are they and I'm pretty sure having your balls cut off and being pumped full of estrogen takes the edge off.
Messi better give back all his medals too fwiw.
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I agree he's a drug cheat.
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Titty's moment has come
posted on 2/6/21
And by sticky I mean stocky.
posted on 2/6/21
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 5 minutes ago
And by sticky I mean stocky.
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Sticky’s better, that’s how I like my women!!!!
posted on 2/6/21
comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 7 minutes ago
Because what I'm reading seems to be based on gender rather than science. They're not male are they and I'm pretty sure having your balls cut off and being pumped full of estrogen takes the edge off.
Messi better give back all his medals too fwiw.
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I agree he's a drug cheat.
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posted on 2/6/21
Also Caster is an intersex woman?
posted on 2/6/21
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 28 seconds ago
Because what I'm reading seems to be based on gender rather than science. They're not male are they and I'm pretty sure having your balls cut off and being pumped full of estrogen takes the edge off.
Messi better give back all his medals too fwiw.
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But scientifically, those that are competing have an unfair advantage.
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I don't know, do they? Simply by used to being a man? I need need to read more about it clearly but I'm almost certain there's more to it than simply being born a bloke.
In my head though short sticky people will be better at dead lifting than me regardless.
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I don’t think there is much more to it though.
When it comes to anything involving strength and endurance, those at comparable levels in professional sport, the men will always be better than the women.
The best male tennis player in the world will be better than the best female. Athletics records in mens events are always superior to womens, and so on.
The one thing I don’t know like yourself is how muscle mass and other things alter once you make the change. If it alters it to the degree that a man would suddenly have exactly the same physique as a comparable female in a sport then it probably wouldn’t be an issue. But if that was the case then surely there are serious health implications for that person???
posted on 2/6/21
Transgender women take the female hormone oestrogen and testosterone-blockers before having any surgery, and continue to take oestrogen after their transition. This results in radical physiological changes, with muscle mass, strength and speed all reduced. It also compounds ageing.
In essence it puts them on a similar level to women of the same size, and there are set limits to the amount of testosterone transgender athletes can have in their bodies before they compete. That is an issue currently being debated in women's athletics.
Research being used as the basis for the decision on permissible testosterone levels in athletes also suggests naturally occurring testosterone makes a minimal difference to performance compared to when it is taken through doping, for example.
============
So they become women, age faster, there's no discernable difference in performance and if there is too much testosterone they're not allowed to compete anyway.
posted on 2/6/21
Talk about messing with nature though....
posted on 2/6/21
In basketball Rudy Gobert in 2019 scored more slam dunks in one game than there are total dunks in the entire history of the WNBA.
It's pretty bloody obvious men have a physical advantage.
posted on 2/6/21
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 15 minutes ago
Transgender women take the female hormone oestrogen and testosterone-blockers before having any surgery, and continue to take oestrogen after their transition. This results in radical physiological changes, with muscle mass, strength and speed all reduced. It also compounds ageing.
In essence it puts them on a similar level to women of the same size, and there are set limits to the amount of testosterone transgender athletes can have in their bodies before they compete. That is an issue currently being debated in women's athletics.
Research being used as the basis for the decision on permissible testosterone levels in athletes also suggests naturally occurring testosterone makes a minimal difference to performance compared to when it is taken through doping, for example.
============
So they become women, age faster, there's no discernable difference in performance and if there is too much testosterone they're not allowed to compete anyway.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Pretty much how I understand it however in Caster's case her body naturally creates and absorbs more testosterone although they never proved scientifically that she's intersex. Only that her body has more testosterone than her female counter parts.
Imagine they allow transgender athletes to compete first when they could even allow an actual woman to compete
It's going to open a can of worms but it's a good thing to have these discussions.
posted on 2/6/21
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