All a bit selfish this ffp stuff really, just about self preservation. As i said if it was really to safeguard clubs from folding theres better ways to do it without stifling healthy competition.

comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 15 minutes ago
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posted 7 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Disband the PGMOL (U1282)
posted 58 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Disband the PGMOL (U1282)
posted 2 minutes ago
However when attempting to punish City with these rules, City won a legal case against them and therefore escaped punishment.
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Which case was this?
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AI Overview



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In a recent legal battle, Manchester City was considered to have "won" their case against the Premier League regarding the "Associated Party Transaction" (APT) rules, with an arbitration panel ruling that the Premier League's regulations unfairly targeted City's sponsorship deals due to their ownership structure, essentially allowing City to claim a victory in the case; however, both sides technically claimed a win as the ruling also required adjustments to the APT rules to address concerns about procedural fairness.
Key points about the case:
What is APT:
The APT rules are designed to ensure that sponsorship deals between clubs and companies linked to their owners are at fair market value, preventing inflated deals.
City's argument:
Manchester City argued that the Premier League's application of the APT rules unfairly targeted them due to their ownership from Abu Dhabi, potentially limiting their ability to secure sponsorship deals at market rates.
Outcome of the case:
The arbitration panel found that the Premier League's APT rules were indeed discriminatory and needed to be adjusted, allowing City to claim a legal victory.
Both sides claim victory:
Despite the ruling largely favoring City, both the Premier League and Manchester City presented their own interpretations of the outcome as a win, highlighting different aspects of the decision.
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That's correct. I was confused when you said "when attempting to punish City with these rules".

City initiated that case on their own, no?
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Yes and now the PL can't punish them as it was found to be discriminatory, so the PL had to amend the rules.
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Can't punish them for what? City were not charged under ATP rules. They initiated this case just to confuse or get back at the Prem for the FFP case. Unless I'm missing something.
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Charge them for breaking ATP rules?

We have to remember that the FFP case only covers up to 2018.
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Aah. Makes sense now. Which specific ATP rules did they break, if you have that info...

comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 16 minutes ago
All a bit selfish this ffp stuff really, just about self preservation. As i said if it was really to safeguard clubs from folding theres better ways to do it without stifling healthy competition.
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Like?

I dont think that model can work, not just I'm football but anywhere or anything else in the world.

If you allow that to happen in any industry, it will either lead to a hardcore monopoly or the collapse of the sector.

If a club comes along pumping money in aslong as theyre not putting the future of the club in danger crack on as far as im concerned.
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I dont think that model can work, not just I'm football but anywhere or anything else in the world.

If you allow that to happen in any industry, it will either lead to a hardcore monopoly or the collapse of the sector.

Real talk coming right here right now

Dirty Kash, you fancy some that name change bet ting

FYI because I’m a sensitive Mo Fo i won’t make it political

comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 2 minutes ago
moneys been the biggest factor in success of clubs long before city and chelsea tbf. If a club comes along pumping money in aslong as theyre not putting the future of the club in danger crack on as far as im concerned.

I dont care if that costs the big teams ours included. Its up to them and us to respond and do the best we can or find new owners who can compete etc. Not to vote in rules that stifles any future competition because you're greedy and not up for the fight, just happy to plod along picking up prem money and top 4 cl money or w.e.
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It's up to owners of clubs to find owners with more money to sell to in order to compete with clubs with billionaire owners who are allowed to spend whatever they want?

Surely the job of the owners from a fans perspective is for them to grow the club and have the competing whilst being self-sustainable meaning if they do sell up, the club will still be in a good place? Most owners want to see profit from things they buy and then sell, there are not too many about who are just going to pump money in at a loss, unless they have other interests in doing so, sportswashing for example.

And where’s Robbing

comment by Disband the PGMOL (U1282)
posted 14 minutes ago
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posted 15 minutes ago
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posted 14 minutes ago
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posted 58 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Disband the PGMOL (U1282)
posted 2 minutes ago
However when attempting to punish City with these rules, City won a legal case against them and therefore escaped punishment.
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Which case was this?
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AI Overview



+1
In a recent legal battle, Manchester City was considered to have "won" their case against the Premier League regarding the "Associated Party Transaction" (APT) rules, with an arbitration panel ruling that the Premier League's regulations unfairly targeted City's sponsorship deals due to their ownership structure, essentially allowing City to claim a victory in the case; however, both sides technically claimed a win as the ruling also required adjustments to the APT rules to address concerns about procedural fairness.
Key points about the case:
What is APT:
The APT rules are designed to ensure that sponsorship deals between clubs and companies linked to their owners are at fair market value, preventing inflated deals.
City's argument:
Manchester City argued that the Premier League's application of the APT rules unfairly targeted them due to their ownership from Abu Dhabi, potentially limiting their ability to secure sponsorship deals at market rates.
Outcome of the case:
The arbitration panel found that the Premier League's APT rules were indeed discriminatory and needed to be adjusted, allowing City to claim a legal victory.
Both sides claim victory:
Despite the ruling largely favoring City, both the Premier League and Manchester City presented their own interpretations of the outcome as a win, highlighting different aspects of the decision.
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That's correct. I was confused when you said "when attempting to punish City with these rules".

City initiated that case on their own, no?
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Yes and now the PL can't punish them as it was found to be discriminatory, so the PL had to amend the rules.
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Can't punish them for what? City were not charged under ATP rules. They initiated this case just to confuse or get back at the Prem for the FFP case. Unless I'm missing something.
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Charge them for breaking ATP rules?

We have to remember that the FFP case only covers up to 2018.
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Aah. Makes sense now. Which specific ATP rules did they break, if you have that info...
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No idea as they didn't get to charge them as City took them to court about the rules and forced them into changing them. No sure if this will get them off the hook completely but certainly it will prohibit them going forward.

comment by Pranky 23/24 LFC Draft Champ (U22336)
posted 11 minutes ago
And where’s Robbing
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Missing in action a while

Hoody let us know if all ok

comment by Pranky 23/24 LFC Draft Champ (U22336)
posted 15 minutes ago
Real talk coming right here right now

Dirty Kash, you fancy some that name change bet ting

FYI because I’m a sensitive Mo Fo i won’t make it political
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Did you see how Term went mental at me like a rabid wolverine over my "you hit us we hit you" user name? It wasn't even political FFS.

I fecking knew it. That's why I turned down your Rwanda name change. No surprise the next week there was countrywide riots.

It's also why many people turn down the name change thing. You want to make the names real embarrassing. That won't work. Just keep it light hearted and if it's a bit of fun more people will join in.

Mamba speaks.

comment by Disband the PGMOL (U1282)
posted about an hour ago
comment by Pranky 23/24 LFC Draft Champ (U22336)
posted 15 minutes ago
Real talk coming right here right now

Dirty Kash, you fancy some that name change bet ting

FYI because I’m a sensitive Mo Fo i won’t make it political
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Did you see how Term went mental at me like a rabid wolverine over my "you hit us we hit you" user name? It wasn't even political FFS.

I fecking knew it. That's why I turned down your Rwanda name change. No surprise the next week there was countrywide riots.

It's also why many people turn down the name change thing. You want to make the names real embarrassing. That won't work. Just keep it light hearted and if it's a bit of fun more people will join in.

Mamba speaks.
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I never mentioned Rwanda in a name change ffs😆

comment by Disband the PGMOL (U1282)
posted about 2 hours ago
comment by Pranky 23/24 LFC Draft Champ (U22336)
posted 15 minutes ago
Real talk coming right here right now

Dirty Kash, you fancy some that name change bet ting

FYI because I’m a sensitive Mo Fo i won’t make it political
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Did you see how Term went mental at me like a rabid wolverine over my "you hit us we hit you" user name? It wasn't even political FFS.

I fecking knew it. That's why I turned down your Rwanda name change. No surprise the next week there was countrywide riots.

It's also why many people turn down the name change thing. You want to make the names real embarrassing. That won't work. Just keep it light hearted and if it's a bit of fun more people will join in.

Mamba speaks.
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Oooh no, not an embarrassing name on an anonymous forum!

Man up ffs.

comment by Fred: Blame Gwen Stefani (U3979)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Disband the PGMOL (U1282)
posted about 2 hours ago
comment by Pranky 23/24 LFC Draft Champ (U22336)
posted 15 minutes ago
Real talk coming right here right now

Dirty Kash, you fancy some that name change bet ting

FYI because I’m a sensitive Mo Fo i won’t make it political
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Did you see how Term went mental at me like a rabid wolverine over my "you hit us we hit you" user name? It wasn't even political FFS.

I fecking knew it. That's why I turned down your Rwanda name change. No surprise the next week there was countrywide riots.

It's also why many people turn down the name change thing. You want to make the names real embarrassing. That won't work. Just keep it light hearted and if it's a bit of fun more people will join in.

Mamba speaks.
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Oooh no, not an embarrassing name on an anonymous forum!

Man up ffs.
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Init, who really gives a Fack 🤣

comment by Disband the PGMOL (U1282)
posted 2 hours, 2 minutes ago
comment by Pranky 23/24 LFC Draft Champ (U22336)
posted 15 minutes ago
Real talk coming right here right now

Dirty Kash, you fancy some that name change bet ting

FYI because I’m a sensitive Mo Fo i won’t make it political
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Did you see how Term went mental at me like a rabid wolverine over my "you hit us we hit you" user name? It wasn't even political FFS.

I fecking knew it. That's why I turned down your Rwanda name change. No surprise the next week there was countrywide riots.

It's also why many people turn down the name change thing. You want to make the names real embarrassing. That won't work. Just keep it light hearted and if it's a bit of fun more people will join in.

Mamba speaks.
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Still maintaining the lie I see.

You really do talk shiite Mamba, your lack of self awareness is staggering.

comment by Fred: Blame Gwen Stefani (U3979)
posted 2 hours, 19 minutes ago
comment by Disband the PGMOL (U1282)
posted about 2 hours ago
comment by Pranky 23/24 LFC Draft Champ (U22336)
posted 15 minutes ago
Real talk coming right here right now

Dirty Kash, you fancy some that name change bet ting

FYI because I’m a sensitive Mo Fo i won’t make it political
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Did you see how Term went mental at me like a rabid wolverine over my "you hit us we hit you" user name? It wasn't even political FFS.

I fecking knew it. That's why I turned down your Rwanda name change. No surprise the next week there was countrywide riots.

It's also why many people turn down the name change thing. You want to make the names real embarrassing. That won't work. Just keep it light hearted and if it's a bit of fun more people will join in.

Mamba speaks.
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Oooh no, not an embarrassing name on an anonymous forum!

Man up ffs.
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Says chief moaner number one. It was you that started the tirade.

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comment by Disband the PGMOL (U1282)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Pranky 23/24 LFC Draft Champ (U22336)
posted about 2 hours ago
comment by Fred: Blame Gwen Stefani (U3979)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Disband the PGMOL (U1282)
posted about 2 hours ago
comment by Pranky 23/24 LFC Draft Champ (U22336)
posted 15 minutes ago
Real talk coming right here right now

Dirty Kash, you fancy some that name change bet ting

FYI because I’m a sensitive Mo Fo i won’t make it political
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Did you see how Term went mental at me like a rabid wolverine over my "you hit us we hit you" user name? It wasn't even political FFS.

I fecking knew it. That's why I turned down your Rwanda name change. No surprise the next week there was countrywide riots.

It's also why many people turn down the name change thing. You want to make the names real embarrassing. That won't work. Just keep it light hearted and if it's a bit of fun more people will join in.

Mamba speaks.
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Oooh no, not an embarrassing name on an anonymous forum!

Man up ffs.
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Init, who really gives a Fack 🤣
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Pranks cavorting with loud mouths who are too chicken to take a name change. What a sell out. Fred wouldn't dare play Fantasy because he would lose every week because he doesn't know his ass from his elbow about anything in the world.

Did u just delete your own comment in rage😆

comment by Pranky 23/24 LFC Draft Champ (U22336)
posted 50 seconds ago
Did u just delete your own comment in rage😆
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Crying over a deleted comment now.

These Kamala supporting wokie Tories get more ridiculous every day.

comment by Disband the PGMOL (U1282)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Pranky 23/24 LFC Draft Champ (U22336)
posted 50 seconds ago
Did u just delete your own comment in rage😆
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Crying over a deleted comment now.

These Kamala supporting wokie Tories get more ridiculous every day.
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So you did🤣

comment by Pranky 23/24 LFC Draft Champ (U22336)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Disband the PGMOL (U1282)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Pranky 23/24 LFC Draft Champ (U22336)
posted 50 seconds ago
Did u just delete your own comment in rage😆
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Crying over a deleted comment now.

These Kamala supporting wokie Tories get more ridiculous every day.
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So you did🤣
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