Pardon me if I'm wrong but wasn't Rooney your best player last season? And by some distance. Struggling to think who performed better
#Forza
I think most sensible fans aren't bashing him as a player. It's more about how you fit him and how others work around him. I think many have an issue with his wages, he's a good player but not someone I would be wanting to spend so much on.
My problem with Rooney is that he is perceived as a team player but I think he is actually quite a selfish and ill-disciplined player. Football is a team sport and each player should follow instructions for what is best for the team, for me Rooney fails to do this on a regular basis but because he runs back and makes the odd tackle he is perceived as being a team player, it's a very Roy of the Rovers mentality.
No doubt he is a very talented player, I personally feel though that he is one who creates more problems for the team than not. I've always maintained that RVP is a better #9 and Mata a better #10 so where does that put Rooney, it's a tricky situation. I personally hate playing players out of position so I wouldn't like to see Rooney pushed out wide or played deeper, it doesn't help his game or the team.
I think a lot of people are too sensitive about certain players or clubs, constructive criticism often gets taken as being a personal attack. Like I said Rooney is a very talented player but he causes a lot of questions and I personally feel we have better players in the positions he works best.
Benched
Agitated is the wrong word.
I would say ' amazed at the idiocy' is more correct.
Nickalopodis
He was our best outfield player but that wasn't particular hard seeing how awful we were. Statistically he was good and he did have some very good performances but he also had some equally very poor performances and usually did little in the big games. His set pieces in the first half of the season were brilliant, but they and his overall game dropped off quite a lot into the second half.
Me thinks scholes is trying to give rooney some extra motivation going into the world cup.
I've always maintained that RVP is a better #9 and Mata a better #10 so where does that put Rooney,
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Exactly and that's the point I was alluding to in my post above.
Under Van Gaal fellow Dutchman Van Persie will definitely be first choice number 9 as well as probably captain if reports are to be believed.
If Van Gaal rates Mata highly and uses him as his number 10 which is quite possible then depending on what formation Utd play that could leave Rooney out in the cold.
The problem is you have to play a player who you are paying £300,000 per week.
Will be very interesting to see how Van Gaal gets round these problems.
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 13 minutes ago
#Forza
I think most sensible fans aren't bashing him as a player. It's more about how you fit him and how others work around him. I think many have an issue with his wages, he's a good player but not someone I would be wanting to spend so much on.
My problem with Rooney is that he is perceived as a team player but I think he is actually quite a selfish and ill-disciplined player. Football is a team sport and each player should follow instructions for what is best for the team, for me Rooney fails to do this on a regular basis but because he runs back and makes the odd tackle he is perceived as being a team player, it's a very Roy of the Rovers mentality.
No doubt he is a very talented player, I personally feel though that he is one who creates more problems for the team than not. I've always maintained that RVP is a better #9 and Mata a better #10 so where does that put Rooney, it's a tricky situation. I personally hate playing players out of position so I wouldn't like to see Rooney pushed out wide or played deeper, it doesn't help his game or the team.
I think a lot of people are too sensitive about certain players or clubs, constructive criticism often gets taken as being a personal attack. Like I said Rooney is a very talented player but he causes a lot of questions and I personally feel we have better players in the positions he works best.
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Very constructive criticism, as Moyes would agree, you both seem to know what is best.
I don't know what's best, it's purely my opinion.
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 49 seconds ago
I don't know what's best, it's purely my opinion.
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Ok then...just getting weary of all this Rooney bleating...no one knows NUFFINK......but for my money he has been the numero uno for United the past decade. give it break fer christ sake!
I've always maintained that RVP is a better #9 and Mata a better #10
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Maybe.
there is actually very little in the goal scoring stats between RVP and Rooney. Very little. And when you consider Rooney hasn't played the main strike role as often as RVP, then there really is nothing in it.
My one thing against Rooney is that it takes to long for him tio get his form back, when he has been out with an injury.
My one thing for Rooney is that when he is having a bad game you still feel he can make something happen. I don't feel the same with RVP.
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comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 49 seconds ago
I don't know what's best, it's purely my opinion.
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Ok then...just getting weary of all this Rooney bleating...no one knows NUFFINK......but for my money he has been the numero uno for United the past decade. give it break fer christ sake!
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Now, I am not a subscriber to the rooney is crap brigade but that statement is ridiculous. Over the past decade, he will just about make the top 5 players we have had at the club.
The two seasons he was the main man, we won fk all. So please cut the BS
Over the past decade, he will just about make the top 5 players we have had at the club.
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No just about at all.
Ronlado, Rooney and three others.
manutd1982
#forza
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I agree with every single point you made. Shows you watch man utd games and not match of the day. I couldnt have put it any better. Each time i express my views on here about rooney some people cant take it cos like you said the are too sensitive.
Rooney's positioning is poor. he runs around the pitch, left back, right back you name it - he's there. He's 1st touch can be shocking sometimes (but then you have to watch the entire game cos you dont see those on match of the day). He misses sitters too often unlike a world class striker will ever do. People say he's not an out-and-out striker, but then he dont have the trickry/skill to be a top 10 like mata, silva etc. So all those a excuses - dont get me wrong he's a decent player but was a lot better when he was much younger.
Where we differ in opinion is i dont min him playing on the left like Fergie used to do when we had Tevez and Ronaldo - then he can track back without causing an upset of the team set-up.
History has shown that when Rooney's in form you will get a run of around 8 games of a very high standard then it goes, think Ferguson mentioned it once too. It's frustrating because he can play well it's just very inconsistent, and the odd niggling injuries he gets quite often doesn't help.
VC
I don't really mean statistically, more that RVP leads the line the way it should be done, he is disciplined in staying up top but will still move around when it's appropriate. One of Rooney's problems has always been he always wants the ball which is nice but not if you want your team to follow very clear instructions and need every player to do the job they've been asked to do. He still has the mentality of a boy on a field who just wants the ball and play all day, it's a romantic idea but one that doesn't work if you want to work as a team.
I also think RVP can make special things happen. He was the one player who turned up in our biggest game of the season against Olympiacos when some wanted him dropped.
Geez...another Rooney article.
Bashing Rooney is so passé!
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 8 minutes ago
Over the past decade, he will just about make the top 5 players we have had at the club.
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No just about at all.
Ronlado, Rooney and three others.
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Ronaldo, Rio, Vidic, Evra, Scholes/Rooney
(2004 - 2014)
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 8 minutes ago
Over the past decade, he will just about make the top 5 players we have had at the club.
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No just about at all.
Ronlado, Rooney and three others.
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Ronaldo, Rio, Vidic, Evra, Scholes/Rooney
(2004 - 2014)
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To say you'd take Evra's career over Rooney's is ridiculous.
Oh here we go... Rooney'schin:
Talk about being hypersentive with certain players: " my one thing with rooney is i wish he would let me suc his dk".
Get over it, all you make is excuses for him. "It takes long for him to get his form back" - that excuse sums it up. I dont see anyone fighting Nani's corner like that.
When he's having a bad game i dont feel he can make something happen - I feel he will get a good chance and still miss it. Unlike RVP and Chicharito who would always put away a half chance.
How many times have we seen rooney pick up a pass around the D and not have a clue ho to get past a man or split the defence with a pass.
Rooney, Ronaldo and 3 others? Flattering!
Any decent striker who has played for united for as long as Rooney did, starting the same number of games, playing set pieces and being seen as one of the top players - (not to mention salary) -WOULD EASILY SCORE MORE GOALS!!!
Van Nistelrooy, Tevez, Cole etc.
1982
Not defending Rooney here, but yiou do know that he has been ibnstructed to help out in the midfield when we are getting over run.
A lot of this isn't ill discipline.
Yes some of it is.
Like everyone else I got very frustrated with Rooney keep pining it out to Valencia last season. No idea why he kept doing that.
MUDd
Just shows your hatred of Rooney if you are putting Rio, Vidic, Scholes and Evra ahead of him as our best player over the last ten years.
comment by Busbybabes (U9083)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 8 minutes ago
Over the past decade, he will just about make the top 5 players we have had at the club.
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No just about at all.
Ronlado, Rooney and three others.
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Ronaldo, Rio, Vidic, Evra, Scholes/Rooney
(2004 - 2014)
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To say you'd take Evra's career over Rooney's is ridiculous.
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You underestimate Evra's contribution to the team
Like everyone else I got very frustrated with Rooney keep pining it out to Valencia last season. No idea why he kept doing that.
Sir, he has been doing that for aeons. It didn't start last season.
VC
True, he has played in midfield and wide when asked. It's more specific tactics such as marking a particular player or staying in an area which can often hinder the rest of the team.
He definitely needs to cut out the cross field long ball, it looks beautiful when done properly, but Rooney ain't Scholes or Beckham so he rarely pulls it off.
comment by Moyes Boys (U17408)
posted 5 minutes ago
Oh here we go... Rooney'schin:
Talk about being hypersentive with certain players: " my one thing with rooney is i wish he would let me suc his dk".
...............
You still wear shorts to school don't you?
And you get beaten up by girls, yes?
**correction:
A lot of it is discipline, some of it isn't.
The agreement was reached because rooney threw is toys at the time when man utd was deperate. he's needed in the midfield (a trend started at Fergies's last year in charge) cos we were short but he said he at a selfish point in his career (record goals challenge). So the £300k made him agree to do that from time to time.
You can tell when it's tactical rather than discipline - he's switch to deep is always preceded by an introduction of a forward player.
Rest of the time, dude just cant position himself properly!
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posted on 22/5/14
Pardon me if I'm wrong but wasn't Rooney your best player last season? And by some distance. Struggling to think who performed better
posted on 22/5/14
#Forza
I think most sensible fans aren't bashing him as a player. It's more about how you fit him and how others work around him. I think many have an issue with his wages, he's a good player but not someone I would be wanting to spend so much on.
My problem with Rooney is that he is perceived as a team player but I think he is actually quite a selfish and ill-disciplined player. Football is a team sport and each player should follow instructions for what is best for the team, for me Rooney fails to do this on a regular basis but because he runs back and makes the odd tackle he is perceived as being a team player, it's a very Roy of the Rovers mentality.
No doubt he is a very talented player, I personally feel though that he is one who creates more problems for the team than not. I've always maintained that RVP is a better #9 and Mata a better #10 so where does that put Rooney, it's a tricky situation. I personally hate playing players out of position so I wouldn't like to see Rooney pushed out wide or played deeper, it doesn't help his game or the team.
I think a lot of people are too sensitive about certain players or clubs, constructive criticism often gets taken as being a personal attack. Like I said Rooney is a very talented player but he causes a lot of questions and I personally feel we have better players in the positions he works best.
posted on 22/5/14
Benched
Agitated is the wrong word.
I would say ' amazed at the idiocy' is more correct.
posted on 22/5/14
Nickalopodis
He was our best outfield player but that wasn't particular hard seeing how awful we were. Statistically he was good and he did have some very good performances but he also had some equally very poor performances and usually did little in the big games. His set pieces in the first half of the season were brilliant, but they and his overall game dropped off quite a lot into the second half.
posted on 22/5/14
Me thinks scholes is trying to give rooney some extra motivation going into the world cup.
posted on 22/5/14
I've always maintained that RVP is a better #9 and Mata a better #10 so where does that put Rooney,
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Exactly and that's the point I was alluding to in my post above.
Under Van Gaal fellow Dutchman Van Persie will definitely be first choice number 9 as well as probably captain if reports are to be believed.
If Van Gaal rates Mata highly and uses him as his number 10 which is quite possible then depending on what formation Utd play that could leave Rooney out in the cold.
The problem is you have to play a player who you are paying £300,000 per week.
Will be very interesting to see how Van Gaal gets round these problems.
posted on 22/5/14
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 13 minutes ago
#Forza
I think most sensible fans aren't bashing him as a player. It's more about how you fit him and how others work around him. I think many have an issue with his wages, he's a good player but not someone I would be wanting to spend so much on.
My problem with Rooney is that he is perceived as a team player but I think he is actually quite a selfish and ill-disciplined player. Football is a team sport and each player should follow instructions for what is best for the team, for me Rooney fails to do this on a regular basis but because he runs back and makes the odd tackle he is perceived as being a team player, it's a very Roy of the Rovers mentality.
No doubt he is a very talented player, I personally feel though that he is one who creates more problems for the team than not. I've always maintained that RVP is a better #9 and Mata a better #10 so where does that put Rooney, it's a tricky situation. I personally hate playing players out of position so I wouldn't like to see Rooney pushed out wide or played deeper, it doesn't help his game or the team.
I think a lot of people are too sensitive about certain players or clubs, constructive criticism often gets taken as being a personal attack. Like I said Rooney is a very talented player but he causes a lot of questions and I personally feel we have better players in the positions he works best.
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Very constructive criticism, as Moyes would agree, you both seem to know what is best.
posted on 22/5/14
I don't know what's best, it's purely my opinion.
posted on 22/5/14
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 49 seconds ago
I don't know what's best, it's purely my opinion.
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Ok then...just getting weary of all this Rooney bleating...no one knows NUFFINK......but for my money he has been the numero uno for United the past decade. give it break fer christ sake!
posted on 22/5/14
I've always maintained that RVP is a better #9 and Mata a better #10
...........................
Maybe.
there is actually very little in the goal scoring stats between RVP and Rooney. Very little. And when you consider Rooney hasn't played the main strike role as often as RVP, then there really is nothing in it.
My one thing against Rooney is that it takes to long for him tio get his form back, when he has been out with an injury.
My one thing for Rooney is that when he is having a bad game you still feel he can make something happen. I don't feel the same with RVP.
posted on 22/5/14
comment by Rooneysmiles (U1347)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 49 seconds ago
I don't know what's best, it's purely my opinion.
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Ok then...just getting weary of all this Rooney bleating...no one knows NUFFINK......but for my money he has been the numero uno for United the past decade. give it break fer christ sake!
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Now, I am not a subscriber to the rooney is crap brigade but that statement is ridiculous. Over the past decade, he will just about make the top 5 players we have had at the club.
The two seasons he was the main man, we won fk all. So please cut the BS
posted on 22/5/14
Over the past decade, he will just about make the top 5 players we have had at the club.
..............
No just about at all.
Ronlado, Rooney and three others.
posted on 22/5/14
manutd1982
#forza
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I agree with every single point you made. Shows you watch man utd games and not match of the day. I couldnt have put it any better. Each time i express my views on here about rooney some people cant take it cos like you said the are too sensitive.
Rooney's positioning is poor. he runs around the pitch, left back, right back you name it - he's there. He's 1st touch can be shocking sometimes (but then you have to watch the entire game cos you dont see those on match of the day). He misses sitters too often unlike a world class striker will ever do. People say he's not an out-and-out striker, but then he dont have the trickry/skill to be a top 10 like mata, silva etc. So all those a excuses - dont get me wrong he's a decent player but was a lot better when he was much younger.
Where we differ in opinion is i dont min him playing on the left like Fergie used to do when we had Tevez and Ronaldo - then he can track back without causing an upset of the team set-up.
posted on 22/5/14
History has shown that when Rooney's in form you will get a run of around 8 games of a very high standard then it goes, think Ferguson mentioned it once too. It's frustrating because he can play well it's just very inconsistent, and the odd niggling injuries he gets quite often doesn't help.
VC
I don't really mean statistically, more that RVP leads the line the way it should be done, he is disciplined in staying up top but will still move around when it's appropriate. One of Rooney's problems has always been he always wants the ball which is nice but not if you want your team to follow very clear instructions and need every player to do the job they've been asked to do. He still has the mentality of a boy on a field who just wants the ball and play all day, it's a romantic idea but one that doesn't work if you want to work as a team.
I also think RVP can make special things happen. He was the one player who turned up in our biggest game of the season against Olympiacos when some wanted him dropped.
posted on 22/5/14
Geez...another Rooney article.
Bashing Rooney is so passé!
posted on 22/5/14
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 8 minutes ago
Over the past decade, he will just about make the top 5 players we have had at the club.
..............
No just about at all.
Ronlado, Rooney and three others.
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Ronaldo, Rio, Vidic, Evra, Scholes/Rooney
(2004 - 2014)
posted on 22/5/14
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 8 minutes ago
Over the past decade, he will just about make the top 5 players we have had at the club.
..............
No just about at all.
Ronlado, Rooney and three others.
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Ronaldo, Rio, Vidic, Evra, Scholes/Rooney
(2004 - 2014)
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To say you'd take Evra's career over Rooney's is ridiculous.
posted on 22/5/14
Oh here we go... Rooney'schin:
Talk about being hypersentive with certain players: " my one thing with rooney is i wish he would let me suc his dk".
Get over it, all you make is excuses for him. "It takes long for him to get his form back" - that excuse sums it up. I dont see anyone fighting Nani's corner like that.
When he's having a bad game i dont feel he can make something happen - I feel he will get a good chance and still miss it. Unlike RVP and Chicharito who would always put away a half chance.
How many times have we seen rooney pick up a pass around the D and not have a clue ho to get past a man or split the defence with a pass.
Rooney, Ronaldo and 3 others? Flattering!
Any decent striker who has played for united for as long as Rooney did, starting the same number of games, playing set pieces and being seen as one of the top players - (not to mention salary) -WOULD EASILY SCORE MORE GOALS!!!
Van Nistelrooy, Tevez, Cole etc.
posted on 22/5/14
1982
Not defending Rooney here, but yiou do know that he has been ibnstructed to help out in the midfield when we are getting over run.
A lot of this isn't ill discipline.
Yes some of it is.
Like everyone else I got very frustrated with Rooney keep pining it out to Valencia last season. No idea why he kept doing that.
posted on 22/5/14
MUDd
Just shows your hatred of Rooney if you are putting Rio, Vidic, Scholes and Evra ahead of him as our best player over the last ten years.
posted on 22/5/14
comment by Busbybabes (U9083)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 8 minutes ago
Over the past decade, he will just about make the top 5 players we have had at the club.
..............
No just about at all.
Ronlado, Rooney and three others.
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Ronaldo, Rio, Vidic, Evra, Scholes/Rooney
(2004 - 2014)
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To say you'd take Evra's career over Rooney's is ridiculous.
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You underestimate Evra's contribution to the team
posted on 22/5/14
Like everyone else I got very frustrated with Rooney keep pining it out to Valencia last season. No idea why he kept doing that.
Sir, he has been doing that for aeons. It didn't start last season.
posted on 22/5/14
VC
True, he has played in midfield and wide when asked. It's more specific tactics such as marking a particular player or staying in an area which can often hinder the rest of the team.
He definitely needs to cut out the cross field long ball, it looks beautiful when done properly, but Rooney ain't Scholes or Beckham so he rarely pulls it off.
posted on 22/5/14
comment by Moyes Boys (U17408)
posted 5 minutes ago
Oh here we go... Rooney'schin:
Talk about being hypersentive with certain players: " my one thing with rooney is i wish he would let me suc his dk".
...............
You still wear shorts to school don't you?
And you get beaten up by girls, yes?
posted on 22/5/14
**correction:
A lot of it is discipline, some of it isn't.
The agreement was reached because rooney threw is toys at the time when man utd was deperate. he's needed in the midfield (a trend started at Fergies's last year in charge) cos we were short but he said he at a selfish point in his career (record goals challenge). So the £300k made him agree to do that from time to time.
You can tell when it's tactical rather than discipline - he's switch to deep is always preceded by an introduction of a forward player.
Rest of the time, dude just cant position himself properly!
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