I thought he'd been released... I was fooled by the official site. LLM do you know why? I thought he was rated?
I hope there's not too much coming and going as we need to get settled.
"Regardless poch is a head coach and will work with who broomfield identifies as suitable for the squad. Poch will have input but that input will be minimal. Trains the squad picks the tactics does not do the ins and outs. Although that sounds insane near enough every big club operates this way."
Not insane at all.
The senior manager must communicate his short-term needs, and the DoF and scouts act accordingly. If the manager is aware of particular talent at various positions, no harm in that.
The DoF takes a longer-term view.
Keeping continuity in the talent base across the squad is the most important goal (new talent rising as older players come to the end of their time at Spurs) .
Outside talent will also be looked at that may serve the club well over a long period, regardless of the short-term needs.
The problem of say 8-10 yrs ago is that the DoF was probably buying far too many players than either the short-term needs or long-term planning could justify.
The problem of say 8-10 yrs ago is that the DoF was probably buying far too many players than either the short-term needs or long-term planning could justify
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You mean 8-10 months?
why are people posting things where we have a net spend?
we haven't had a significant net spend for years now. we more or less break even or make money in transfer window after transfer window after transfer window, yetstill people think we are going to have a big net cash outlay...
not going to happen
comment by The RDBD (demoted to supporting the team managed by Pep Guardiola) (U1062)
posted 18 minutes ago
"Regardless poch is a head coach and will work with who broomfield identifies as suitable for the squad. Poch will have input but that input will be minimal. Trains the squad picks the tactics does not do the ins and outs. Although that sounds insane near enough every big club operates this way."
Not insane at all.
The senior manager must communicate his short-term needs, and the DoF and scouts act accordingly. If the manager is aware of particular talent at various positions, no harm in that.
The DoF takes a longer-term view.
Keeping continuity in the talent base across the squad is the most important goal (new talent rising as older players come to the end of their time at Spurs) .
Outside talent will also be looked at that may serve the club well over a long period, regardless of the short-term needs.
The problem of say 8-10 yrs ago is that the DoF was probably buying far too many players than either the short-term needs or long-term planning could justify.
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Sounds insane, but that is probably because, if it was true, then it would be insane.
If it were true that many big team football managers/head coaches did not have a say in which players were brought in to the club and which were surplus to requirements then I am sure we would have much more discussion in the public domain than we have.
Something like the AVB departure, however that came about, would have generated discussion in the press (quality press if that is not a contradiction in terms, not the many internet blogs that exist) and in other media from football professionals and pundits on tv. That has not happened to any great degree.
The only time you hear and discuss anything like the fact that managers do not select players they want is on forums such as this, JA606. And as much as we like to kid ourselves that we have the knowledge to enter into these discusssions, most of the time we are repeating myths and rumours emenating elsewhere.
I do not say that the manager is the only person that deals wlth football transfers, in or out. I am sure that, where clubs have that setup, then it is done between the manager/DofF/CEO. A desired player, for example, would be identified either by the scouting team or any of the aforementioned staff, and it would be for all to agree.
The DofF is the board's representative that ensures that the manager does not just buy for the short term or for his own comfort levels, without regard to use of the company's money. Buying a 34 year old striker, for example, at £30m pounds. The value to cost would not be sustainable.
But any manager accepting a post where he would be blamed for results and performance without any say in the quality of the material he has to work with would be putting himself up for ruin.
But what do I know, I am just putting forward my opinion based on what my logic tells me in the face of having no other "OFFICIAL" source to refer to.
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Very Forza. Worth a lot more than the 12m I've seen quoted.
Just me Bill, Isn't 'Quality Press' an oxymoron?
comment by ShortBack&Sides (U17757)
posted 9 minutes ago
Just me Bill, Isn't 'Quality Press' an oxymoron?
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Well, I did qualify it if you read back my post.
But there would have been some sports editorials rather than transfer rumours, quoting reliable figures in the game, concerning managers/coaches without any degree of control over playing staff.
In other words, something that can be relied on because the quotes are directly attributable.
I've got to the point where I wont believe anything till it makes the official Spurs site. Even then I'm sceptical.
comment by just me Bill (U13802)
posted 53 minutes ago
comment by The RDBD (demoted to supporting the team managed by Pep Guardiola) (U1062)
posted 18 minutes ago
"Regardless poch is a head coach and will work with who broomfield identifies as suitable for the squad. Poch will have input but that input will be minimal. Trains the squad picks the tactics does not do the ins and outs. Although that sounds insane near enough every big club operates this way."
Not insane at all.
The senior manager must communicate his short-term needs, and the DoF and scouts act accordingly. If the manager is aware of particular talent at various positions, no harm in that.
The DoF takes a longer-term view.
Keeping continuity in the talent base across the squad is the most important goal (new talent rising as older players come to the end of their time at Spurs) .
Outside talent will also be looked at that may serve the club well over a long period, regardless of the short-term needs.
The problem of say 8-10 yrs ago is that the DoF was probably buying far too many players than either the short-term needs or long-term planning could justify.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sounds insane, but that is probably because, if it was true, then it would be insane.
If it were true that many big team football managers/head coaches did not have a say in which players were brought in to the club and which were surplus to requirements then I am sure we would have much more discussion in the public domain than we have.
Something like the AVB departure, however that came about, would have generated discussion in the press (quality press if that is not a contradiction in terms, not the many internet blogs that exist) and in other media from football professionals and pundits on tv. That has not happened to any great degree.
The only time you hear and discuss anything like the fact that managers do not select players they want is on forums such as this, JA606. And as much as we like to kid ourselves that we have the knowledge to enter into these discusssions, most of the time we are repeating myths and rumours emenating elsewhere.
I do not say that the manager is the only person that deals wlth football transfers, in or out. I am sure that, where clubs have that setup, then it is done between the manager/DofF/CEO. A desired player, for example, would be identified either by the scouting team or any of the aforementioned staff, and it would be for all to agree.
The DofF is the board's representative that ensures that the manager does not just buy for the short term or for his own comfort levels, without regard to use of the company's money. Buying a 34 year old striker, for example, at £30m pounds. The value to cost would not be sustainable.
But any manager accepting a post where he would be blamed for results and performance without any say in the quality of the material he has to work with would be putting himself up for ruin.
But what do I know, I am just putting forward my opinion based on what my logic tells me in the face of having no other "OFFICIAL" source to refer to.
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Not at all but they are not managers. the term head coach is purely to do just that coach. The idea is they work with what they have to improve the players. It is all about development these days, development does not just mean kids it could mean developing adebayor for example.
You might find in some cases where the head coach helps decide the player or wants a particular player the majority is left to the scouting network, the head of recruitment or sporting director.
That is the fashion these days rightly or wrongly that how it works.
How you describe sir is exactly what it was like 10 years ago but these days it is simply not like that. The structure is somewhat different both on the recruitment side and the coaching side of football.
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posted on 5/6/14
I thought he'd been released... I was fooled by the official site. LLM do you know why? I thought he was rated?
posted on 5/6/14
I hope there's not too much coming and going as we need to get settled.
posted on 5/6/14
"Regardless poch is a head coach and will work with who broomfield identifies as suitable for the squad. Poch will have input but that input will be minimal. Trains the squad picks the tactics does not do the ins and outs. Although that sounds insane near enough every big club operates this way."
Not insane at all.
The senior manager must communicate his short-term needs, and the DoF and scouts act accordingly. If the manager is aware of particular talent at various positions, no harm in that.
The DoF takes a longer-term view.
Keeping continuity in the talent base across the squad is the most important goal (new talent rising as older players come to the end of their time at Spurs) .
Outside talent will also be looked at that may serve the club well over a long period, regardless of the short-term needs.
The problem of say 8-10 yrs ago is that the DoF was probably buying far too many players than either the short-term needs or long-term planning could justify.
posted on 5/6/14
The problem of say 8-10 yrs ago is that the DoF was probably buying far too many players than either the short-term needs or long-term planning could justify
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You mean 8-10 months?
posted on 5/6/14
why are people posting things where we have a net spend?
we haven't had a significant net spend for years now. we more or less break even or make money in transfer window after transfer window after transfer window, yetstill people think we are going to have a big net cash outlay...
not going to happen
posted on 5/6/14
Chronic
posted on 5/6/14
comment by The RDBD (demoted to supporting the team managed by Pep Guardiola) (U1062)
posted 18 minutes ago
"Regardless poch is a head coach and will work with who broomfield identifies as suitable for the squad. Poch will have input but that input will be minimal. Trains the squad picks the tactics does not do the ins and outs. Although that sounds insane near enough every big club operates this way."
Not insane at all.
The senior manager must communicate his short-term needs, and the DoF and scouts act accordingly. If the manager is aware of particular talent at various positions, no harm in that.
The DoF takes a longer-term view.
Keeping continuity in the talent base across the squad is the most important goal (new talent rising as older players come to the end of their time at Spurs) .
Outside talent will also be looked at that may serve the club well over a long period, regardless of the short-term needs.
The problem of say 8-10 yrs ago is that the DoF was probably buying far too many players than either the short-term needs or long-term planning could justify.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sounds insane, but that is probably because, if it was true, then it would be insane.
If it were true that many big team football managers/head coaches did not have a say in which players were brought in to the club and which were surplus to requirements then I am sure we would have much more discussion in the public domain than we have.
Something like the AVB departure, however that came about, would have generated discussion in the press (quality press if that is not a contradiction in terms, not the many internet blogs that exist) and in other media from football professionals and pundits on tv. That has not happened to any great degree.
The only time you hear and discuss anything like the fact that managers do not select players they want is on forums such as this, JA606. And as much as we like to kid ourselves that we have the knowledge to enter into these discusssions, most of the time we are repeating myths and rumours emenating elsewhere.
I do not say that the manager is the only person that deals wlth football transfers, in or out. I am sure that, where clubs have that setup, then it is done between the manager/DofF/CEO. A desired player, for example, would be identified either by the scouting team or any of the aforementioned staff, and it would be for all to agree.
The DofF is the board's representative that ensures that the manager does not just buy for the short term or for his own comfort levels, without regard to use of the company's money. Buying a 34 year old striker, for example, at £30m pounds. The value to cost would not be sustainable.
But any manager accepting a post where he would be blamed for results and performance without any say in the quality of the material he has to work with would be putting himself up for ruin.
But what do I know, I am just putting forward my opinion based on what my logic tells me in the face of having no other "OFFICIAL" source to refer to.
posted on 5/6/14
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posted on 5/6/14
Very Forza. Worth a lot more than the 12m I've seen quoted.
posted on 5/6/14
Just me Bill, Isn't 'Quality Press' an oxymoron?
posted on 5/6/14
comment by ShortBack&Sides (U17757)
posted 9 minutes ago
Just me Bill, Isn't 'Quality Press' an oxymoron?
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Well, I did qualify it if you read back my post.
But there would have been some sports editorials rather than transfer rumours, quoting reliable figures in the game, concerning managers/coaches without any degree of control over playing staff.
In other words, something that can be relied on because the quotes are directly attributable.
posted on 5/6/14
I've got to the point where I wont believe anything till it makes the official Spurs site. Even then I'm sceptical.
posted on 5/6/14
comment by just me Bill (U13802)
posted 53 minutes ago
comment by The RDBD (demoted to supporting the team managed by Pep Guardiola) (U1062)
posted 18 minutes ago
"Regardless poch is a head coach and will work with who broomfield identifies as suitable for the squad. Poch will have input but that input will be minimal. Trains the squad picks the tactics does not do the ins and outs. Although that sounds insane near enough every big club operates this way."
Not insane at all.
The senior manager must communicate his short-term needs, and the DoF and scouts act accordingly. If the manager is aware of particular talent at various positions, no harm in that.
The DoF takes a longer-term view.
Keeping continuity in the talent base across the squad is the most important goal (new talent rising as older players come to the end of their time at Spurs) .
Outside talent will also be looked at that may serve the club well over a long period, regardless of the short-term needs.
The problem of say 8-10 yrs ago is that the DoF was probably buying far too many players than either the short-term needs or long-term planning could justify.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sounds insane, but that is probably because, if it was true, then it would be insane.
If it were true that many big team football managers/head coaches did not have a say in which players were brought in to the club and which were surplus to requirements then I am sure we would have much more discussion in the public domain than we have.
Something like the AVB departure, however that came about, would have generated discussion in the press (quality press if that is not a contradiction in terms, not the many internet blogs that exist) and in other media from football professionals and pundits on tv. That has not happened to any great degree.
The only time you hear and discuss anything like the fact that managers do not select players they want is on forums such as this, JA606. And as much as we like to kid ourselves that we have the knowledge to enter into these discusssions, most of the time we are repeating myths and rumours emenating elsewhere.
I do not say that the manager is the only person that deals wlth football transfers, in or out. I am sure that, where clubs have that setup, then it is done between the manager/DofF/CEO. A desired player, for example, would be identified either by the scouting team or any of the aforementioned staff, and it would be for all to agree.
The DofF is the board's representative that ensures that the manager does not just buy for the short term or for his own comfort levels, without regard to use of the company's money. Buying a 34 year old striker, for example, at £30m pounds. The value to cost would not be sustainable.
But any manager accepting a post where he would be blamed for results and performance without any say in the quality of the material he has to work with would be putting himself up for ruin.
But what do I know, I am just putting forward my opinion based on what my logic tells me in the face of having no other "OFFICIAL" source to refer to.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not at all but they are not managers. the term head coach is purely to do just that coach. The idea is they work with what they have to improve the players. It is all about development these days, development does not just mean kids it could mean developing adebayor for example.
You might find in some cases where the head coach helps decide the player or wants a particular player the majority is left to the scouting network, the head of recruitment or sporting director.
That is the fashion these days rightly or wrongly that how it works.
How you describe sir is exactly what it was like 10 years ago but these days it is simply not like that. The structure is somewhat different both on the recruitment side and the coaching side of football.
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