If Wenger does not want him then that is all there is to it surely?
You can argue the fact whether he is right in that view or not, but he certainly should not just spend a load of the club's money on a player he does not wan, just because of some personal feelings towards Mourinho or CFC.
That would be irresponsible towards Arsenal FC.
Jose has got his hands on Arsene's crown jewels
Looks like they have kissed and made up.
He's not " letting Mou get his crown jewel on a silver platter"
1) Cesc is a Barca player and is theirs to sell - our option is for first refusal if we decide to invoke it
2) Where exactly would Cesc fit in in our midfield. We have Ozil, Cazorla, Ramsey,Walcott, Podolski, O-C, Wilshire, Arteta, Flamini and Diaby () all fighting for a spot. Our real need is for a quality DMF in there - not Cesc.
3) We undoubtably have a sell on clause so will get a percentage of his sale anyway.
4) Mourinho will undoubtably get fed up with Cesc after a while because he is not defensive enough for his liking (a la Mata ??) and he will come return to us anyway
5) Our priorities should be a top qaulity striker, a DMF , 2nd choice keeper, RB, and possibly another CB - not buying Cesc for sentimental reasons
People forget that the Arsenal team was pretty much built around Cesc in his final few years and he was given a free rein. Mourinho or Van Gaal or whoever will have to do a considerable job re-organinsing their team and personnel to get the best from him.
Anyway,
I don't think Arsenal are in a position to buy a player just to stop someone else buying him.
Your manager clearly thinks he has enough cover and any money he spends is needed in other areas.
Let it go Arsenal fans, he is a football player not a member of your family.
Whatever happened to in Arsene we trust??
who are the Gooners p1.5sed off at here, Fabregas or Chelsea
you lot need to remember that Fabregas hasn't been an Arsenal player since the 10/11 campaign
Has Fabregas won a CL with Barca?
For those asking where Fabregas would fit in the name. please do remember where last season we faltered (injuries to key players!) If that cannot be addressed by signing available quality players..... then I don't know maybe someone to explain it to me very slowly ho we are going to win anything without quality cover!
Another summer, another long winded transfer story.
Surely you guys all know that it doesnt matter what we think or want.
3) We undoubtably have a sell on clause so will get a percentage of his sale anyway.
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you do know that the price is less than what you sold him for not more right!!!!
Mourinho will undoubtably get fed up with Cesc after a while because he is not defensive enough for his liking
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What a load of stereotypical nonsense.
You'll see how "defensive" we are next season.
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This "defensive Mourinho" you talk about. Is he the same one who managed a team that scored 6 against you guys on Arsene's special day?
A bit simplistic to decide a manager is an attacking one or a defensive one on the basis of one game. Even Arsenal under George Graham scored 5 and 6 on occasions.
comment by GUNNERBEGOOD (U10646)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
A bit simplistic to decide a manager is an attacking one or a defensive one on the basis of one game. Even Arsenal under George Graham scored 5 and 6 on occasions.
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Its a very rich of the prats that put a label on Mourinho when he's a better manager than most will ever be including Wenger.
Don't come here with the simplistics when your team got battered and some of your fans call him defensive.
Bovril, it is not just Arsenal fans, who think he is defensive or cautious. Jason Cundy, a Chelsea fan says the same. Does not make him right of course.
Relying on one game is simplistic. A team is not necessarily defensive because they fail to score in one game.
Wenger could never get a team to be as good defensively as a Mourinho side, but lets see him get a team to play like the Arsenal of 2004. Lets be honest they tick different boxes as managers.
I've watched him long enough to know there is more to him then being defensive. Watch his sides from his first tenure at Chelsea. The home games with Barca and Bayern. Scoring 3 and 4 goals away to Man U and Liverpool respectively then tell me he can't attack. He regularly put out teams that included Robben,Duff,JoeCole,Gudjohnssen,Lampard and Drogbe.
The difference between Jose and Wenger is Wenger only knows one way. Jose has a plan B and C and plays for the win whatever the situation dictates.
In his first stint here it was often the opposition that put men behind the ball in fact the term "park the bus" was originally used by Jose. Just calling him defensive lwithout looking at his history isn't right. Judge him next season when he has the players he wants at his disposal.
He has had the resources to play expansive football, but I think in big games like his Champions League semis with Chelsea v Lpool and Athletico, he has been too cautious.Chelsea were behind v Barca so had to go for it.
Though I take into account, as well as looking at goals scored, I look at how a team sets up. I remember Fergie going to the Emirates and putting on a forward to win a game at 1-1 when he could easily shut up shop.I look at Mourinho's set up at Old Trafford and the Emirates last season and while I accept he wanted to win both games, his mindset was not to risk losing to do so.
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posted on 6/6/14
Totally agree.
posted on 6/6/14
If Wenger does not want him then that is all there is to it surely?
You can argue the fact whether he is right in that view or not, but he certainly should not just spend a load of the club's money on a player he does not wan, just because of some personal feelings towards Mourinho or CFC.
That would be irresponsible towards Arsenal FC.
posted on 6/6/14
Jose has got his hands on Arsene's crown jewels
Looks like they have kissed and made up.
posted on 6/6/14
He's not " letting Mou get his crown jewel on a silver platter"
1) Cesc is a Barca player and is theirs to sell - our option is for first refusal if we decide to invoke it
2) Where exactly would Cesc fit in in our midfield. We have Ozil, Cazorla, Ramsey,Walcott, Podolski, O-C, Wilshire, Arteta, Flamini and Diaby () all fighting for a spot. Our real need is for a quality DMF in there - not Cesc.
3) We undoubtably have a sell on clause so will get a percentage of his sale anyway.
4) Mourinho will undoubtably get fed up with Cesc after a while because he is not defensive enough for his liking (a la Mata ??) and he will come return to us anyway
5) Our priorities should be a top qaulity striker, a DMF , 2nd choice keeper, RB, and possibly another CB - not buying Cesc for sentimental reasons
People forget that the Arsenal team was pretty much built around Cesc in his final few years and he was given a free rein. Mourinho or Van Gaal or whoever will have to do a considerable job re-organinsing their team and personnel to get the best from him.
posted on 6/6/14
Anyway,
I don't think Arsenal are in a position to buy a player just to stop someone else buying him.
Your manager clearly thinks he has enough cover and any money he spends is needed in other areas.
Let it go Arsenal fans, he is a football player not a member of your family.
Whatever happened to in Arsene we trust??
posted on 6/6/14
who are the Gooners p1.5sed off at here, Fabregas or Chelsea
you lot need to remember that Fabregas hasn't been an Arsenal player since the 10/11 campaign
posted on 6/6/14
Has Fabregas won a CL with Barca?
posted on 6/6/14
For those asking where Fabregas would fit in the name. please do remember where last season we faltered (injuries to key players!) If that cannot be addressed by signing available quality players..... then I don't know maybe someone to explain it to me very slowly ho we are going to win anything without quality cover!
posted on 6/6/14
Another summer, another long winded transfer story.
Surely you guys all know that it doesnt matter what we think or want.
posted on 6/6/14
3) We undoubtably have a sell on clause so will get a percentage of his sale anyway.
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you do know that the price is less than what you sold him for not more right!!!!
posted on 6/6/14
Mourinho will undoubtably get fed up with Cesc after a while because he is not defensive enough for his liking
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What a load of stereotypical nonsense.
You'll see how "defensive" we are next season.
posted on 6/6/14
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posted on 6/6/14
This "defensive Mourinho" you talk about. Is he the same one who managed a team that scored 6 against you guys on Arsene's special day?
posted on 6/6/14
A bit simplistic to decide a manager is an attacking one or a defensive one on the basis of one game. Even Arsenal under George Graham scored 5 and 6 on occasions.
posted on 6/6/14
comment by GUNNERBEGOOD (U10646)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
A bit simplistic to decide a manager is an attacking one or a defensive one on the basis of one game. Even Arsenal under George Graham scored 5 and 6 on occasions.
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Its a very rich of the prats that put a label on Mourinho when he's a better manager than most will ever be including Wenger.
Don't come here with the simplistics when your team got battered and some of your fans call him defensive.
posted on 6/6/14
Bovril, it is not just Arsenal fans, who think he is defensive or cautious. Jason Cundy, a Chelsea fan says the same. Does not make him right of course.
Relying on one game is simplistic. A team is not necessarily defensive because they fail to score in one game.
Wenger could never get a team to be as good defensively as a Mourinho side, but lets see him get a team to play like the Arsenal of 2004. Lets be honest they tick different boxes as managers.
posted on 7/6/14
I've watched him long enough to know there is more to him then being defensive. Watch his sides from his first tenure at Chelsea. The home games with Barca and Bayern. Scoring 3 and 4 goals away to Man U and Liverpool respectively then tell me he can't attack. He regularly put out teams that included Robben,Duff,JoeCole,Gudjohnssen,Lampard and Drogbe.
The difference between Jose and Wenger is Wenger only knows one way. Jose has a plan B and C and plays for the win whatever the situation dictates.
In his first stint here it was often the opposition that put men behind the ball in fact the term "park the bus" was originally used by Jose. Just calling him defensive lwithout looking at his history isn't right. Judge him next season when he has the players he wants at his disposal.
posted on 7/6/14
He has had the resources to play expansive football, but I think in big games like his Champions League semis with Chelsea v Lpool and Athletico, he has been too cautious.Chelsea were behind v Barca so had to go for it.
Though I take into account, as well as looking at goals scored, I look at how a team sets up. I remember Fergie going to the Emirates and putting on a forward to win a game at 1-1 when he could easily shut up shop.I look at Mourinho's set up at Old Trafford and the Emirates last season and while I accept he wanted to win both games, his mindset was not to risk losing to do so.
posted on 7/6/14
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