What transparent drivel do you refer to MA? Flexing front wings.

Yet again you still refuse to see what is plainly obvious to everyone else. You have been shown evidence of this, and articles from the press which also describe it yet you have the nerve to call it transparent drivel.
I started the Flexing Wing issue on this thread, not as an arguing point but as an honest point of view. YOU were the one to start the argument and have failed to provide one shred of evidence to back up your argument. a number of people here myself included have provided evidence yet you chose to ignore it and continue to ask for evidence. When I tried to point out the moving wings to you, you claim the wings are invisible. Only to the blind. You claim that the streaming video clips, not only on YouTube but also on the BBC are in fact video recordings taken off the telly on mobile phones. When people try to explain to you what is happening, you claim they must have googled it. You show no respect for your 'bruvver' posters who you condescendingly call Sport and Pal, yet expect total respect in return.

N-six0six is right, you are a typical wind up merchant, yet in a perverse way I enjoy arguing with you as you end up proving yourself to be the fool we all know you to be.

comment by N_six0six (U13776)
posted 4 minutes ago
Thank you for further compounding my point Martial. Set you up and then let you take your own embarrassing fall. Wriggle all you want but this forum doesn't have the edit function so your laughable claims are there forever, unfortunately in a format you can't see though (as we've already established - i.e. clear as day).

Say what you want, do what you want, wriggle as much as you want, I don't care. Was to easy in the end, I expected someone as experienced as you at this game to be a lot more on the fence but post after post you dug yourself deeper into an embarrassing hole of childishness.




*** Please all take head, this is what you have to deal with so if you feel the need to 'debate' with this man then at least have some fun yourself and try and set him up and let him fall as much as he did for me***

Go back and re-read what you claimed Martial, truly embarrassing

What larks!
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keep dreaming nsix

i am still waiting for you to my reply of 2 days ago concerning the subject matter that as yet you have not had the bollox to respond to probably because you cant think of an answer of any substance --
------- have you got the bollox to respond to it or are you going to run away for 2 days again -
---------- the bottom line is i was right because the FIA gave the red bull a clean bill of health
----------- get over it

tell me another little jackanory story about your secret identity on
not 606 that was so secret you could not tell anyone about it -
---------- jack jack jack jack jack jackanory

Martial you are kidding no one, the whole conversation is there in black and white, the whole embarrassing thing. You cannot escape this fact, I didn't do anything clever, I simply set you up and you went crazy with taking the fall

You're still digging now, to repeat what I had to repeat several times, at no point did I claim or imply that the Red Bull was illegal. I simply said it was flexing and showed several different pieces of irrefutable evidence. You embarrassingly claimed that the wings weren't flexing at all

What exactly do you want me to reply to Martial, as I've just done that above by highlighting how I set you up for your self induced fall. I highlighted what you claimed and then further pointed to your aims on this site.

I opened the little game, put the pieces in place, and then let you play out your own defeat. To easy



Don't forget, its all there in black and white, you can't hide it, you can't gloss over it. Claim anything I don't care, I achieved what I wanted and it was oh so easy
and always there for all to see

comment by go-cellino-go (U6730)
posted 1 minute ago
What transparent drivel do you refer to MA? Flexing front wings.

Yet again you still refuse to see what is plainly obvious to everyone else. You have been shown evidence of this, and articles from the press which also describe it yet you have the nerve to call it transparent drivel.
I started the Flexing Wing issue on this thread, not as an arguing point but as an honest point of view. YOU were the one to start the argument and have failed to provide one shred of evidence to back up your argument. a number of people here myself included have provided evidence yet you chose to ignore it and continue to ask for evidence. When I tried to point out the moving wings to you, you claim the wings are invisible. Only to the blind. You claim that the streaming video clips, not only on YouTube but also on the BBC are in fact video recordings taken off the telly on mobile phones. When people try to explain to you what is happening, you claim they must have googled it. You show no respect for your 'bruvver' posters who you condescendingly call Sport and Pal, yet expect total respect in return.

N-six0six is right, you are a typical wind up merchant, yet in a perverse way I enjoy arguing with you as you end up proving yourself to be the fool we all know you to be.

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and i gave my honest point of view that i didnt believe the red bull was doing anything illegal and the FIA and there sophisticated tests backed me up -

so in responce to the fia and there sophisticated tests you show me a little you tube clip that was probably put on you tube by a youngster anyway that in effect shows a big fat zero of the front wing and you expect me to be to agree with you and your laughable pathetic drivel that is so transparent a retar/ded chimpanzee could see thru it -

------------- as my old headmaster used to say
---------------- C - must try harder

Oh and Martial, I said that Ferrari also had flexing front wings..... this is the third time I have said this. So I did have the bollox to answer you.

I can't honestly say if this was the case with some of the other cars, because strangely we see very little footage from the onboard cameras on the cars from the lower half of the field. I do recall the McLaren wings being pretty static. I would try to find video evidence for you but there would be no point as the wings are not visible from the onboard cameras are they? Exactly nothing to according to you, yet everyone else can see the front wing of the Red Bull moving. The only person digging a hole is you.

comment by N_six0six (U13776)
posted 4 minutes ago
Martial you are kidding no one, the whole conversation is there in black and white, the whole embarrassing thing. You cannot escape this fact, I didn't do anything clever, I simply set you up and you went crazy with taking the fall

You're still digging now, to repeat what I had to repeat several times, at no point did I claim or imply that the Red Bull was illegal. I simply said it was flexing and showed several different pieces of irrefutable evidence. You embarrassingly claimed that the wings weren't flexing at all

What exactly do you want me to reply to Martial, as I've just done that above by highlighting how I set you up for your self induced fall. I highlighted what you claimed and then further pointed to your aims on this site.

I opened the little game, put the pieces in place, and then let you play out your own defeat. To easy



Don't forget, its all there in black and white, you can't hide it, you can't gloss over it. Claim anything I don't care, I achieved what I wanted and it was oh so easy
and always there for all to see
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read the reply i gave you 2 nights ago that you still have not had the bollox to respond to -
when you get the bollox to read it post it back with your reply and we can take it from there -

----- you dont still bare a grudge because i found you out on your little not 606 lie do you

MA, yet again
Do you REALLY not realize how much of a fool you are making yourself out to be?

comment by go-cellino-go (U6730)
posted 3 minutes ago
Oh and Martial, I said that Ferrari also had flexing front wings..... this is the third time I have said this. So I did have the bollox to answer you.

I can't honestly say if this was the case with some of the other cars, because strangely we see very little footage from the onboard cameras on the cars from the lower half of the field. I do recall the McLaren wings being pretty static. I would try to find video evidence for you but there would be no point as the wings are not visible from the onboard cameras are they? Exactly nothing to according to you, yet everyone else can see the front wing of the Red Bull moving. The only person digging a hole is you.
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so if you said the ferrari also had flexion in there wings and so looking at the wider picture it would logically follow that the other 22 cars also had flexion in there respective wings -
-------------- what are you blubbering about

comment by go-cellino-go (U6730)
posted 8 minutes ago
MA, yet again
Do you REALLY not realize how much of a fool you are making yourself out to be?
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not starting to get wound up are you sport -

normally 200 little smileys are a disguise that your head is about to go boom -
---------------------------------- boooooommmmm

Bed is calling once this football match is over Martial but since we have time I thought I'd continue this hilarity. I read your reply and I don't know what you expect me to say? Yes it showed the starts of your realisation of how much digging you had to do to try and get out of that hole you'd gotten yourself into?

We can beat around the bush all night long but the simple truth is you did the leg work, I simply did the set up.
-YOU made the claims that the wings weren't flexing
-YOU tried to change the argument then you realised how silly you'd made yourself look
-YOU thought that digging is the best way to escape the hole.

Now we can all see your desperate will to try and change the subject, yet more clear as day evidence that you've been caught out. Then again I suppose you can't see this happening, we've already discovered that you claim not to see clear as day evidence



You used to be better at this martial, I wouldn't respect you if you accepted you've been caught out big style, but I would respect you more at least. Would show some actual personality and balls

So the choice is yours, keep on digging which makes this all the more funnier, try and brush the black and white evidence of your errors under the internet carpet? Or take it like a man and realise that acting like a child only works if you try to take on a child, trying it with reasonable adults just makes you look even more childish and petulant

Choices choices choices

MA, grow up.... Where did I claim what they did was illegal. I agreed they passed the FIA tests, so they were legal. I said they were bending the rules and the FIA tests were not sophisticated enough. as a last point on this subject because it and you are boring now, read this article from Autosport from 2011. It includes Ross Brawn's view on the matter. Of course I don't expect you to believe what a well respected publication has to say on the matter, not to mention what a top F1 designer has to say, the one who started your favourite EDR era at Brawn. Maybe they too are all blind and know nothing about F1 at all.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/90581

comment by N_six0six (U13776)
posted 9 seconds ago
Bed is calling once this football match is over Martial but since we have time I thought I'd continue this hilarity. I read your reply and I don't know what you expect me to say? Yes it showed the starts of your realisation of how much digging you had to do to try and get out of that hole you'd gotten yourself into?

We can beat around the bush all night long but the simple truth is you did the leg work, I simply did the set up.
-YOU made the claims that the wings weren't flexing
-YOU tried to change the argument then you realised how silly you'd made yourself look
-YOU thought that digging is the best way to escape the hole.

Now we can all see your desperate will to try and change the subject, yet more clear as day evidence that you've been caught out. Then again I suppose you can't see this happening, we've already discovered that you claim not to see clear as day evidence



You used to be better at this martial, I wouldn't respect you if you accepted you've been caught out big style, but I would respect you more at least. Would show some actual personality and balls

So the choice is yours, keep on digging which makes this all the more funnier, try and brush the black and white evidence of your errors under the internet carpet? Or take it like a man and realise that acting like a child only works if you try to take on a child, trying it with reasonable adults just makes you look even more childish and petulant

Choices choices choices
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oh so you admit you have just read my reply of 2 days ago but cant think of a proper responce -
that would explain the parrot fashion transparent drivel then -

bottom line is i was correct because the FIA gave red bull a clean bill of health
---------- on no wait a minute you have your little you tube clip that does not show the front wing -- how can the fia possibly be right then

you have not answered my question nsix
--------- do you still bare a grudge because i caught you out in your little not 606 lie and it still hurts your pride hence this failed attempt to get back at me

My son once broke his arm playing football. When the Orthopedic doctor said he needed to have his arm in a plaster, his reaction to me was, What does he know?

This reminds me of MA's attitude, hence my belief that he is a school boy who really should be in bed at this time on a Sunday.

And one who can't even count. Sees 46 smileys and counts 200....

Well Martial the football is finished, I was rooting for the underdog so boo to the result!

This does however mean our little game is over, but at least I think its ended at a suitable point. I admit that I played a predetermined part in your embarrassment this weekend but with respect you did a good 90% of the work. I returned tonight to highlight it and even got a free bonus of you further embarrassing yourself. I feel there's little more I can do now to further your embarrassment so me leaving will have no effect on how you go from here.

I gave you one last chance to save a small proportion of your dignity but it was at a cost, you had to be a man and accept the fall. I knew you wouldn't take this free pass to escape some embarrassment but I would have been happy to admit my error and congratulate you if you had chosen to take the peace offering.

To use some of your own terms,
bottom line you were embarrassed, I have repeatedly let you know that I never questioned the Red Bulls legality, yet you seem to grasp at this point as some sort of deluded idea that I haven't shown you up big style.
bottom line there are countless articles, pictures and videos showing the linear plane of the Red Bull wing flexing
bottom line you have made some truly hilarious claims that I will be happy to bring up at any time if you so wish.
bottom line you took the bait hook line and sinker and as such, showed yourself up in a way not even I expected, you went far beyond what I thought you'd do and it was hilarious.



Since you have refused the only positive escape for you I suppose you're stuck digging your hole, which whilst amusing has somewhat past its peak now.

Keep on trying to change the subject, run away from your hilarious stitch up, run away from your embarrassment, be the child and don't take it like a real man.

Just remember old boy, your FAIL is now here in black and white, both the first attempt and then tonight's re-enforcement. Add to that the chance to be a man being refused and I think thats a good nights works from me

Its amazing how a little bit of logic and a truly basic topic was enough to trip you up, who knew!



Write what you want next Martial, I won't be around to read it for a while (if at all) so think of it as a summary of your embarrassment. You can try and lessen it, or you can keep on digging. Everything you've claimed is here to see, for all to see. You did all the work yourself, I simply did the cueing.

Thank you and good night

comment by go-cellino-go (U6730)
posted 36 minutes ago
MA, grow up.... Where did I claim what they did was illegal. I agreed they passed the FIA tests, so they were legal. I said they were bending the rules and the FIA tests were not sophisticated enough. as a last point on this subject because it and you are boring now, read this article from Autosport from 2011. It includes Ross Brawn's view on the matter. Of course I don't expect you to believe what a well respected publication has to say on the matter, not to mention what a top F1 designer has to say, the one who started your favourite EDR era at Brawn. Maybe they too are all blind and know nothing about F1 at all.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/90581


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ah so the teams that were doing all the moaning but agreeing that the red bull was legal despite said teams also stating that the red bull wing was tested more than any other wing was still flexing despite the FIA tests saying otherwise -
---------- sounds like mclaren and merc double talk to me -

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You guys do not get martial, he is a jester and does this act for our amusement

Its OK MUDD I get him. Seen his type so many times. And I know I/we shouldn't engage him in conversation but as N_six0six says it is good fun arguing with the cook. With his lack of evidence, lack of ability to actually pit an argument together. He makes me laugh he is such a joke.

I filtered martial some time ago but missed him so much I unfiltered him.

He is a special poster

For cook read fool...... this predictive and auto-correcting feature is even more annoying than MA.

Seems I made an error of judgement, I do have time to call in on here today... Oh look, someone man enough to admit an error, how quaint hey Martial 'aspires to be a man' artist?

Martial 'aspires to be a man' Artisits techniques no doubt work on the naive, the gullible, and the less intelligent, but when put up again even remotely average people it just becomes about how much Martial 'aspires to be a man' Artisit can embarrass himself

Watch him still clinging to the idea that a hole can be dug out of, with every post he acts yet more childish and embarrasses himself ever more, its fascinating to watch! Still attempting to god knows what, wind me up, make me think he's serious? I have no idea what he thinks he's doing, but what he's actually doing is fuelling the fire of his hilarious demise

Come again Martial 'aspires to be a man' Artisit, keep on telling us what a fool you've been made of

its all here in black and white, your complete and utter failure of a debate. Clinging to claims that no ones made, trying desperately to change the subject lol. A hole cannot be dug out of, it takes a man to accept whats happen, to mature and then grow up

Sorry MA - i cant continue to discuss F1 with you.

EVERYBODY....not a few, EVERYBODY, EVERY LAST PERSON EVERY SINGLE SOUL on this forum completely and irrevocably agrees about the flexing wing. I have looked at the stills, the gifs, the motions. It is absolutely 100% conclusive that the wing flexes. The sky is blue martial, the grass is green. Do you need a video, a gif, a still to prove this to you. Or does that argument not have any logic.

i have tried martial, to debate with you, to understand your point of view. You are completely obtuse. You don't even appear to be playing devils advocate to stir debate or ask for an open mind. You are point blank refusing to accept any sort of opinion. Its become boring and frustrating.

I have tried to give you time.

From the videos and/or stills. Does the wing flex? Does the wing flex? Does the wing Flex?

The wing clearly does not FLEX. You are not a RedBull mechanic. What do you know?

Suppose thats your subtle wit eh Mudd lol Your almost as funny as MA. Cracks me up