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Seems bang out of order to me. It's his property at his price - take it or leave it.
I can fully understand why he is acting in this way, however it is believed that he has not only been offered the FULL market value for his premises and relocation to another site, still within Tottenham. He has also been offered further compensation on top of this.
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Genius, I wish you had said what you "fully understand" because it might be that there are reasons which others have not thought of.
But my view is that he is hoping to make a quick killing, on what is not a big decision for him. That may not be right, but that is how it appears. Either he stays where he is, result, same as same as, or he moves to other premises, within Tottenham, slightly different journey to work for him and his workers.
CPO's have always been used to allow progress to cope with changing circumstances and requirements and some have much less merit to be granted than this one. There are people that lose a much cherished home, or other sentimental attachment to where they live than a sheet metal works.
He has been offered full compensation, other premises and other incentives on top, all of which would address any concerns he could possibly have about his business, but he will not move unless he lands up rich.
I know we all want the new stadium, in our traditional home, but this development is so much more than that. It is a major development that will regenerate so much of a tired and worn out area.
He's stopping the progress and regeneration of a whole area because off greed
Doesn't feel like greed, tbh. Feels more like he is just reluctant to relocate his entire business because a bigger company wants the ground.
Once the CPO comes in he'll have no choice
This is bigger than us building a stadium it's the whole community of tottenham being regenerated!
Other business have moved to allow progress for the sake of the community
How will the whole community of Tottenham be regenerated?
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Funny how your view is coloured to what is a political question because you support a rival football club and enjoy the difficulties your rivals encounter to maintain parity in a similar business
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comment by Chris H - Little bit hate Giroud (U15205)
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How will the whole community of Tottenham be regenerated?
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Funny how your view is coloured to what is a political question because you support a rival football club and enjoy the difficulties your rivals encounter to maintain parity in a similar business
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My views have nothing to do with you being our rivals.
"however it is believed that he has not only been offered the FULL market value for his premises and relocation to another site, still within Tottenham. He has also been offered further compensation on top of this."
If all of that is true, then the owners are attempting profiteering via "squatters rights" .
Without knowing specifically where the other site is, how it functionally compares to the current works etc (which I remarked on to somebody the other day) , difficult to say whether profiteering is going on.
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How will the whole community of Tottenham be regenerated?
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Funny how your view is coloured to what is a political question because you support a rival football club and enjoy the difficulties your rivals encounter to maintain parity in a similar business
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My views have nothing to do with you being our rivals.
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Yeah, I believe you Chris, honest!
You can't just ride roughshod over the little man or it will end up like china
"After originally sounding out sites at Battersea and Haringey, he decided on a plot of land in Highbury, the site of the playing fields of St John’s College of Divinity. Despite local opposition to the move, from residents and other north London football clubs, the deeds were signed early in 1913"
When Arsenal moved from Saff London to Norf they basically nicked the local schools playing field and bull dozed lots of small houses without paying too much in the way of compensation so it’s a bit rich an Arsenal supporting chipping in.
Archway is basically holding the club to ransom and the CPO, when completed, will not be contestable or open to appeal which is why it is taking so long. That said, this is not a football argument but a tale of greed and opportunism. Mr Josef does not deserve any more or any less than say you or I would receive. Everything about this is measurable, the size and market value of his 'land', the new premise costs, moving expenses and so on. Spurs will have met these criteria and more. I cannot imagine a court would allow the subjective value of the land to influence the outcome as that would create a precedent for much larger developments than this.
"When Arsenal moved from Saff London to Norf they basically nicked the local schools playing field and bull dozed lots of small houses without paying too much in the way of compensation so it’s a bit rich an Arsenal supporting chipping in. "
Apologies. I won't contribute to anything around this subject anymore because 101 years ago the club I support - not that I mentioned them - did a similar thing.
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I completely understand him holding out however as stated the whole of tottenham will be recipients in a government regeneration project.
Now I was born there and lived there for 24 years of my life i can tell you first hand how badly it needs a regeneration and the area to be developed. Thats forgetting the football club I support.
In this instance one man should not be able to stop the greater good. If it was a personal reason why he would not move I would accept it but the fact he has put a price on his head tells me it is majoritly about money.
At this rate we will be shafted and be playing games on tour because the stadium is already a year behind schedule.
"In this instance one man should not be able to stop the greater good. If it was a personal reason why he would not move I would accept it but the fact he has put a price on his head tells me it is majoritly about money."
Absolutely - and if it is the case that Mr Josif is holding all this up because he knows he is the last thing standing in the way, then the CPO will rightfully make him sell up.
To me, though, without knowing the exact valuation of his property vs what has been offered and how much compensation he has been offered (if anyone has these figures?), it seems a little harsh to label him greedy.
I'm not being touchy with him or anyone else for that matter. But for him to claim he isn't influenced by being a Arsenal supporter is naïve or he doesn't understand the nature of a CPO. It isn't about the little guy holding out against the big corporation. As I said, everything about this can be fairly priced using existing market factors pure and simple. It was childish of me to use the Arsenal example of 101 years ago but it is just one of many examples over the last century where a CPO has been enforced for the benefit of the community as a whole and not for profiteering. He has every right to post and I have every right to challenge it
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comment by Chris H - Little bit hate Giroud (U15205)
posted 4 seconds ago
"When Arsenal moved from Saff London to Norf they basically nicked the local schools playing field and bull dozed lots of small houses without paying too much in the way of compensation so it’s a bit rich an Arsenal supporting chipping in. "
Apologies. I won't contribute to anything around this subject anymore because 101 years ago the club I support - not that I mentioned them - did a similar thing.
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I hate how touchy people get over other fans views.
just because Chris' opinion doesn't a rival fans', straight away its invalid or a wum.
Keep posting Chris, one of the better posters on this site
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This is not about this posters validity in his arguments, it is more about a couple of very flippant comments that did not put forward any arguments to support his views.
The fact is that, without removing in one way or another many obstacles to improvement, we would all be living in slums, without proper sanitation and basic standards for a reasonable and healthy life. We would not be able to move around the country because no roads could be built, or railways developed. We would all inbuilt genetic disorders because the gene pool in which we live would be too small.
I not only see this as a major regeneration of a much needed area of Tottenham, but it is also an opportunity to remove industrial processes from residential areas, a practice that built up many years ago when we had very little planning laws. Housing and industry developed side by side, probably to assist the business in finding workers who were much needed.
Now, we have large industrial sites for industrial processes, good road and transport infrastructure to allow movement of goods and workers, and a much more pleasant environment in which we can live.
This development will bring not only a much needed football stadium, which most of us want, but also flats and houses to a much higher standard than those which currently exist. Add in other amenities that are being provided and you can have an area with facilities that could enhance a much wider area.
If Chris wants to argue to the contrary, then he should do so, rather than make the flippant remarks he has has done. After all, he is one of the better posters on here.
"If Chris wants to argue to the contrary, then he should do so, rather than make the flippant remarks he has has done. After all, he is one of the better posters on here."
Which flippant remark? The last comment I posted was asking how the community would be regenerated - which is a genuine question?
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Seems bang out of order to me. It's his property at his price - take it or leave it.
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I can fully understand why he is acting in this way, however it is believed that he has not only been offered the FULL market value for his premises and relocation to another site, still within Tottenham. He has also been offered further compensation on top of this.
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Genius, I wish you had said what you "fully understand" because it might be that there are reasons which others have not thought of.
But my view is that he is hoping to make a quick killing, on what is not a big decision for him. That may not be right, but that is how it appears. Either he stays where he is, result, same as same as, or he moves to other premises, within Tottenham, slightly different journey to work for him and his workers.
CPO's have always been used to allow progress to cope with changing circumstances and requirements and some have much less merit to be granted than this one. There are people that lose a much cherished home, or other sentimental attachment to where they live than a sheet metal works.
He has been offered full compensation, other premises and other incentives on top, all of which would address any concerns he could possibly have about his business, but he will not move unless he lands up rich.
I know we all want the new stadium, in our traditional home, but this development is so much more than that. It is a major development that will regenerate so much of a tired and worn out area.
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He's stopping the progress and regeneration of a whole area because off greed
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Doesn't feel like greed, tbh. Feels more like he is just reluctant to relocate his entire business because a bigger company wants the ground.
posted on 3/7/14
Once the CPO comes in he'll have no choice
This is bigger than us building a stadium it's the whole community of tottenham being regenerated!
Other business have moved to allow progress for the sake of the community
posted on 3/7/14
How will the whole community of Tottenham be regenerated?
posted on 3/7/14
comment by Chris H - Little bit hate Giroud (U15205)
posted 3 minutes ago
How will the whole community of Tottenham be regenerated?
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Funny how your view is coloured to what is a political question because you support a rival football club and enjoy the difficulties your rivals encounter to maintain parity in a similar business
posted on 3/7/14
comment by Just me, Bill (U13802)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Chris H - Little bit hate Giroud (U15205)
posted 3 minutes ago
How will the whole community of Tottenham be regenerated?
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Funny how your view is coloured to what is a political question because you support a rival football club and enjoy the difficulties your rivals encounter to maintain parity in a similar business
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My views have nothing to do with you being our rivals.
posted on 3/7/14
"however it is believed that he has not only been offered the FULL market value for his premises and relocation to another site, still within Tottenham. He has also been offered further compensation on top of this."
If all of that is true, then the owners are attempting profiteering via "squatters rights" .
Without knowing specifically where the other site is, how it functionally compares to the current works etc (which I remarked on to somebody the other day) , difficult to say whether profiteering is going on.
posted on 3/7/14
comment by Chris H - Little bit hate Giroud (U15205)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Just me, Bill (U13802)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Chris H - Little bit hate Giroud (U15205)
posted 3 minutes ago
How will the whole community of Tottenham be regenerated?
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Funny how your view is coloured to what is a political question because you support a rival football club and enjoy the difficulties your rivals encounter to maintain parity in a similar business
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My views have nothing to do with you being our rivals.
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Yeah, I believe you Chris, honest!
posted on 3/7/14
You can't just ride roughshod over the little man or it will end up like china
posted on 3/7/14
"After originally sounding out sites at Battersea and Haringey, he decided on a plot of land in Highbury, the site of the playing fields of St John’s College of Divinity. Despite local opposition to the move, from residents and other north London football clubs, the deeds were signed early in 1913"
When Arsenal moved from Saff London to Norf they basically nicked the local schools playing field and bull dozed lots of small houses without paying too much in the way of compensation so it’s a bit rich an Arsenal supporting chipping in.
Archway is basically holding the club to ransom and the CPO, when completed, will not be contestable or open to appeal which is why it is taking so long. That said, this is not a football argument but a tale of greed and opportunism. Mr Josef does not deserve any more or any less than say you or I would receive. Everything about this is measurable, the size and market value of his 'land', the new premise costs, moving expenses and so on. Spurs will have met these criteria and more. I cannot imagine a court would allow the subjective value of the land to influence the outcome as that would create a precedent for much larger developments than this.
posted on 3/7/14
"When Arsenal moved from Saff London to Norf they basically nicked the local schools playing field and bull dozed lots of small houses without paying too much in the way of compensation so it’s a bit rich an Arsenal supporting chipping in. "
Apologies. I won't contribute to anything around this subject anymore because 101 years ago the club I support - not that I mentioned them - did a similar thing.
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I completely understand him holding out however as stated the whole of tottenham will be recipients in a government regeneration project.
Now I was born there and lived there for 24 years of my life i can tell you first hand how badly it needs a regeneration and the area to be developed. Thats forgetting the football club I support.
In this instance one man should not be able to stop the greater good. If it was a personal reason why he would not move I would accept it but the fact he has put a price on his head tells me it is majoritly about money.
At this rate we will be shafted and be playing games on tour because the stadium is already a year behind schedule.
posted on 3/7/14
"In this instance one man should not be able to stop the greater good. If it was a personal reason why he would not move I would accept it but the fact he has put a price on his head tells me it is majoritly about money."
Absolutely - and if it is the case that Mr Josif is holding all this up because he knows he is the last thing standing in the way, then the CPO will rightfully make him sell up.
To me, though, without knowing the exact valuation of his property vs what has been offered and how much compensation he has been offered (if anyone has these figures?), it seems a little harsh to label him greedy.
posted on 3/7/14
I'm not being touchy with him or anyone else for that matter. But for him to claim he isn't influenced by being a Arsenal supporter is naïve or he doesn't understand the nature of a CPO. It isn't about the little guy holding out against the big corporation. As I said, everything about this can be fairly priced using existing market factors pure and simple. It was childish of me to use the Arsenal example of 101 years ago but it is just one of many examples over the last century where a CPO has been enforced for the benefit of the community as a whole and not for profiteering. He has every right to post and I have every right to challenge it
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posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Chris H - Little bit hate Giroud (U15205)
posted 4 seconds ago
"When Arsenal moved from Saff London to Norf they basically nicked the local schools playing field and bull dozed lots of small houses without paying too much in the way of compensation so it’s a bit rich an Arsenal supporting chipping in. "
Apologies. I won't contribute to anything around this subject anymore because 101 years ago the club I support - not that I mentioned them - did a similar thing.
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I hate how touchy people get over other fans views.
just because Chris' opinion doesn't a rival fans', straight away its invalid or a wum.
Keep posting Chris, one of the better posters on this site
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This is not about this posters validity in his arguments, it is more about a couple of very flippant comments that did not put forward any arguments to support his views.
The fact is that, without removing in one way or another many obstacles to improvement, we would all be living in slums, without proper sanitation and basic standards for a reasonable and healthy life. We would not be able to move around the country because no roads could be built, or railways developed. We would all inbuilt genetic disorders because the gene pool in which we live would be too small.
I not only see this as a major regeneration of a much needed area of Tottenham, but it is also an opportunity to remove industrial processes from residential areas, a practice that built up many years ago when we had very little planning laws. Housing and industry developed side by side, probably to assist the business in finding workers who were much needed.
Now, we have large industrial sites for industrial processes, good road and transport infrastructure to allow movement of goods and workers, and a much more pleasant environment in which we can live.
This development will bring not only a much needed football stadium, which most of us want, but also flats and houses to a much higher standard than those which currently exist. Add in other amenities that are being provided and you can have an area with facilities that could enhance a much wider area.
If Chris wants to argue to the contrary, then he should do so, rather than make the flippant remarks he has has done. After all, he is one of the better posters on here.
posted on 3/7/14
"If Chris wants to argue to the contrary, then he should do so, rather than make the flippant remarks he has has done. After all, he is one of the better posters on here."
Which flippant remark? The last comment I posted was asking how the community would be regenerated - which is a genuine question?
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