Cal your inability to accept simple facts is astonishing.
He was clearly killed because he was going to give away Jewish land for peace.
This is what I originally said and you accused me of lying.
Clearly you were wrong and I wasn't lying.
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This isn't about scoring points.
He was killed because he wanted to give away Jewish land for peace, this is a simple fact you keep calling me a liar and wrong for saying.
I am not lying, I am not wrong. He was killed because he was wanted to give away Jewish land for peace, it really is as simple as that.
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SAF, you are no idiot but your point here is hollow.
An extremist killed Rabin, he is now in jail, that doesn't prove anything with regard to Israel not wanting peace, he was a frickin extremist.
I haven't argued that he wasn't though.
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You called me wrong and a liar.... your bias stops you accepting even simple facts sometimes.
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SAF, you are no idiot but your point here is hollow.
An extremist killed Rabin, he is now in jail, that doesn't prove anything with regard to Israel not wanting peace, he was a frickin extremist.
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So we are allowed to discount Israeli extremists, they don't count against Israel but Palestinian extremists are good enough reason to let the Palestinians live in constant misery and poverty struggling for access to simple things like water?
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Who is discounting an Israeli extremist?
His actions and anyones elses with a similar mentality are what is wrong with this situation.
Extremism is the scourge of the planet these days.
Rabin was elected.The person that killed him wasn't, he had no mandate
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So thats why I was wrong and lying when I said he was killed because he wanted to give away Jewish land for peace?
Because that doesn't actually contradict what I said, what I said was perfectly true.
He was killed because he wanted to give away Jewish land for peace.
Not sure where a mandate comes into that sentence?
Are you refusing to accept facts because of your bias again Cal?
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Who is discounting an Israeli extremist?
His actions and anyones elses with a similar mentality are what is wrong with this situation.
Extremism is the scourge of the planet these days.
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Like the extremists currently leading Israel and the extremists in his party, I agree.
Netanyahu comes across as an áss clown thats for sure, he is bad news and the quicker Israel move on from him the better.
Likewise Palestine need someone with some brains as well, what they have now clearly is never gonna work.
Okay that is a fair post Cinci.
I would say however that the IR A leaders were always extremists but that never excused Britain for hiring leaders with extreme views.
If Britain had voted in extremists like the Israeli's do then we would still be involved in that conflict . Like Britain, the responsibility is on the actual government to make the first steps as it was with Britain.
comment by SAF_The_Legend-FreePalestine (U5768)
posted 44 minutes ago
Rabin was elected.The person that killed him wasn't, he had no mandate
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So thats why I was wrong and lying when I said he was killed because he wanted to give away Jewish land for peace?
Because that doesn't actually contradict what I said, what I said was perfectly true.
He was killed because he wanted to give away Jewish land for peace.
Not sure where a mandate comes into that sentence?
Are you refusing to accept facts because of your bias again Cal?
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Who is discounting an Israeli extremist?
His actions and anyones elses with a similar mentality are what is wrong with this situation.
Extremism is the scourge of the planet these days.
...............................................
Like the extremists currently leading Israel and the extremists in his party, I agree.
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I've been saying extremism is the biggest problem in the world for a while. There are right wing extremists in Israels government which I find worrying, but they were elected in response to the extremists, Hamas, and their actions sending suicide bombers into Israel then launching rockets at them. Before that Israel were fairly liberal and had an open border policy.
Talking of extremists:
"When Genocide Is Permissible"
http://mondoweiss.net/2014/08/yochanan-genocide-permissible.html
Behind all extremists there is a cause, a body of people that believe the same thing. This is undeniable, this assassin, Amir, he didn't one day wake up and say hey this is my crusade. This is an ideology held by many.
In any case Cal cannot seem to accept that due to extremist elements rejecting Rabins efforts for a two state solution, he was killed.
Also for Cinci.. Who said "So an extremist killing a guy who agreed peace some how proves Israel wants to occupy Palestine"
Who is occupying Palestine now, and who has occupied it for 40 years?
Believe it or not, if Israel had no intention of occupying Palestine, they wouldn't have carried on doing so for 40 years.
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Would be nice for you to actually agree though instead of saying what you didn't say.
Do you agree that Rabin was killed by a right wing extremist element opposed to a two party solution?
Would be nice for you to actually agree though instead of saying what you didn't say.
Do you agree that Rabin was killed by a right wing extremist element opposed to a two STATE solution?
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So these elements exist in Israel then.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pKMV6e5kEo
This is a fantastic way of explaining the conflict.
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Any chance of a ceasefire on this thread?
Israel is the historic home of the Jews going back 1000s of years. Because they were driven out by the murderous Assyrians does not mean it is their historic homeland. It was legally bought back for them by the West as they had nowhere else to go after WW2 when they had been driven from their homes across Europe and 6 million of them murdered.
The Jews drove out the people before then you numpty.
To pretend that one race has more right to that land than another is selective history taken to new heights.
In the Torah it advocates the subjugation of the Canaanites who lived in the region beforehand.
This land is no more the Jew's than it is anyone who has lived in the region. All have taken it by conquest.
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posted on 1/8/14
Cal your inability to accept simple facts is astonishing.
He was clearly killed because he was going to give away Jewish land for peace.
This is what I originally said and you accused me of lying.
Clearly you were wrong and I wasn't lying.
posted on 1/8/14
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posted on 1/8/14
This isn't about scoring points.
He was killed because he wanted to give away Jewish land for peace, this is a simple fact you keep calling me a liar and wrong for saying.
I am not lying, I am not wrong. He was killed because he was wanted to give away Jewish land for peace, it really is as simple as that.
posted on 1/8/14
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posted on 1/8/14
SAF, you are no idiot but your point here is hollow.
An extremist killed Rabin, he is now in jail, that doesn't prove anything with regard to Israel not wanting peace, he was a frickin extremist.
posted on 1/8/14
I haven't argued that he wasn't though.
............................................
You called me wrong and a liar.... your bias stops you accepting even simple facts sometimes.
.............................................
SAF, you are no idiot but your point here is hollow.
An extremist killed Rabin, he is now in jail, that doesn't prove anything with regard to Israel not wanting peace, he was a frickin extremist.
...............................................
So we are allowed to discount Israeli extremists, they don't count against Israel but Palestinian extremists are good enough reason to let the Palestinians live in constant misery and poverty struggling for access to simple things like water?
posted on 1/8/14
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posted on 1/8/14
Who is discounting an Israeli extremist?
His actions and anyones elses with a similar mentality are what is wrong with this situation.
Extremism is the scourge of the planet these days.
posted on 1/8/14
Rabin was elected.The person that killed him wasn't, he had no mandate
.................................
So thats why I was wrong and lying when I said he was killed because he wanted to give away Jewish land for peace?
Because that doesn't actually contradict what I said, what I said was perfectly true.
He was killed because he wanted to give away Jewish land for peace.
Not sure where a mandate comes into that sentence?
Are you refusing to accept facts because of your bias again Cal?
.........................................
Who is discounting an Israeli extremist?
His actions and anyones elses with a similar mentality are what is wrong with this situation.
Extremism is the scourge of the planet these days.
...............................................
Like the extremists currently leading Israel and the extremists in his party, I agree.
posted on 1/8/14
Netanyahu comes across as an áss clown thats for sure, he is bad news and the quicker Israel move on from him the better.
Likewise Palestine need someone with some brains as well, what they have now clearly is never gonna work.
posted on 1/8/14
Okay that is a fair post Cinci.
I would say however that the IR A leaders were always extremists but that never excused Britain for hiring leaders with extreme views.
If Britain had voted in extremists like the Israeli's do then we would still be involved in that conflict . Like Britain, the responsibility is on the actual government to make the first steps as it was with Britain.
posted on 1/8/14
comment by SAF_The_Legend-FreePalestine (U5768)
posted 44 minutes ago
Rabin was elected.The person that killed him wasn't, he had no mandate
.................................
So thats why I was wrong and lying when I said he was killed because he wanted to give away Jewish land for peace?
Because that doesn't actually contradict what I said, what I said was perfectly true.
He was killed because he wanted to give away Jewish land for peace.
Not sure where a mandate comes into that sentence?
Are you refusing to accept facts because of your bias again Cal?
.........................................
Who is discounting an Israeli extremist?
His actions and anyones elses with a similar mentality are what is wrong with this situation.
Extremism is the scourge of the planet these days.
...............................................
Like the extremists currently leading Israel and the extremists in his party, I agree.
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I've been saying extremism is the biggest problem in the world for a while. There are right wing extremists in Israels government which I find worrying, but they were elected in response to the extremists, Hamas, and their actions sending suicide bombers into Israel then launching rockets at them. Before that Israel were fairly liberal and had an open border policy.
posted on 1/8/14
Talking of extremists:
"When Genocide Is Permissible"
http://mondoweiss.net/2014/08/yochanan-genocide-permissible.html
posted on 1/8/14
Behind all extremists there is a cause, a body of people that believe the same thing. This is undeniable, this assassin, Amir, he didn't one day wake up and say hey this is my crusade. This is an ideology held by many.
In any case Cal cannot seem to accept that due to extremist elements rejecting Rabins efforts for a two state solution, he was killed.
Also for Cinci.. Who said "So an extremist killing a guy who agreed peace some how proves Israel wants to occupy Palestine"
Who is occupying Palestine now, and who has occupied it for 40 years?
Believe it or not, if Israel had no intention of occupying Palestine, they wouldn't have carried on doing so for 40 years.
posted on 1/8/14
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posted on 1/8/14
Would be nice for you to actually agree though instead of saying what you didn't say.
Do you agree that Rabin was killed by a right wing extremist element opposed to a two party solution?
posted on 1/8/14
Would be nice for you to actually agree though instead of saying what you didn't say.
Do you agree that Rabin was killed by a right wing extremist element opposed to a two STATE solution?
posted on 1/8/14
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posted on 1/8/14
So these elements exist in Israel then.
posted on 1/8/14
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pKMV6e5kEo
This is a fantastic way of explaining the conflict.
posted on 1/8/14
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posted on 1/8/14
Any chance of a ceasefire on this thread?
posted on 1/8/14
Israel is the historic home of the Jews going back 1000s of years. Because they were driven out by the murderous Assyrians does not mean it is their historic homeland. It was legally bought back for them by the West as they had nowhere else to go after WW2 when they had been driven from their homes across Europe and 6 million of them murdered.
posted on 1/8/14
The Jews drove out the people before then you numpty.
To pretend that one race has more right to that land than another is selective history taken to new heights.
In the Torah it advocates the subjugation of the Canaanites who lived in the region beforehand.
This land is no more the Jew's than it is anyone who has lived in the region. All have taken it by conquest.
posted on 1/8/14
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