Carroll isn't another 'Modric'
RDBD
I think your second answer negates the first though
- the aim of the loans is to toughen him up. I find it sad that we have to do it to our creative players, no wonder the England team looks so average against our continental cousins.
"I think your second answer negates the first though"
Nobody is disputing his technical ability.
But could you imagine him in a PL MF against the likes of Toure etc ??
Yet that is exactly what awaits him as a senior player.
So what does the club do ??
Have training sessions that whenever Carroll is on the pitch the opposite MF players get free rein on excessive body-checking (antics that would normally get a foul in the PL) in order to get him used to it ??
Get him on the weights (and probably have a Spurs physio <standard> where he then gets a muscle injury) ??
comment by The RDBD (demoted to supporting the team manag... (U1062)
posted 11 minutes ago
"I think your second answer negates the first though"
Nobody is disputing his technical ability.
But could you imagine him in a PL MF against the likes of Toure etc ??
Yet that is exactly what awaits him as a senior player.
So what does the club do ??
Have training sessions that whenever Carroll is on the pitch the opposite MF players get free rein on excessive body-checking (antics that would normally get a foul in the PL) in order to get him used to it ??
Get him on the weights (and probably have a Spurs physio <standard> where he then gets a muscle injury) ??
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If he was that good he'd be pushing to be in the squad on a regular basis
He's 22, a year younger than Holtby and the same age as Eriksen,
Bales, I think you see something in TC that no-ones does though tbh mate.
He is severely inept in two aspects of his game: Decision making & Physicality.
His technique is the only thing he has going for him, and teams in La Liga/Serie A already have plenty of players like him in their own academies.
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"He tried, he just didn't have enough matches."
You're so kind to Tommy.
Edin.. I rate the lad, it's that simple. Suggesting Italy or Spain doesn't have to mean Barca or Juve.
RDBD.. the club plays him in Europe and picks games in the league where he won't get kicked so much - the likes of Swansea that don't rely on muscle in the midfield.
Every player develops at a different rate, saying he should be at the level of Holtby or Eriksen doesn't help, and only reinforces my point that we don't value technique like we should, and need to if we want to improve as a nation.
"the club plays him in Europe and picks games in the league where he won't get kicked so much - the likes of Swansea that don't rely on muscle in the midfield"
But we only have so many of those games this season.
He needs to be playing as much as possible at the highest level possible, to try and improve to the level where he can be a PL squad regular.
Otherwise, as it stands his senior Spurs career is probably over.
Whilst it is true we do have a great midfield and he might not walk into the first choice line-up, we had an even better midfield a few days ago.
So we for sure know anything can happen with injuries. And that is what concerns me. What if we get another big one? So we do need more cover here as well.
Is he the answer? I don't know but I do trust Stevie.
UTR
Suggesting Italy or Spain would have to be a second division team still. La Liga is a step up from the PL and every team has players with significantly more talent than TC. Italian league maybe not, but he isn't good enough to compete with the midfield's in that league (where I feel Serie A currently excels at)
comment by The RDBD (demoted to supporting the team manag... (U1062)
posted 18 minutes ago
"the club plays him in Europe and picks games in the league where he won't get kicked so much - the likes of Swansea that don't rely on muscle in the midfield"
But we only have so many of those games this season.
He needs to be playing as much as possible at the highest level possible, to try and improve to the level where he can be a PL squad regular.
Otherwise, as it stands his senior Spurs career is probably over.
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Well done lighting
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 14 minutes ago
Suggesting Italy or Spain would have to be a second division team still. La Liga is a step up from the PL and every team has players with significantly more talent than TC. Italian league maybe not, but he isn't good enough to compete with the midfield's in that league (where I feel Serie A currently excels at)
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I really don't think it would, Lamela had a stunning first season in Italy yet was deemed too lightweight for the PL. They (Spain and Italy) have more time on the ball and coach accordingly - that's my point - sending him the the championship will just be another season of "wet Wednesday" training by which time his technical ability could be lost, or overlooked completely.
RDBD.. yes mate, I just disagree with the method chosen.
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posted on 31/7/14
Carroll isn't another 'Modric'
posted on 31/7/14
RDBD
I think your second answer negates the first though
- the aim of the loans is to toughen him up. I find it sad that we have to do it to our creative players, no wonder the England team looks so average against our continental cousins.
posted on 31/7/14
"I think your second answer negates the first though"
Nobody is disputing his technical ability.
But could you imagine him in a PL MF against the likes of Toure etc ??
Yet that is exactly what awaits him as a senior player.
So what does the club do ??
Have training sessions that whenever Carroll is on the pitch the opposite MF players get free rein on excessive body-checking (antics that would normally get a foul in the PL) in order to get him used to it ??
Get him on the weights (and probably have a Spurs physio <standard> where he then gets a muscle injury) ??
posted on 31/7/14
comment by The RDBD (demoted to supporting the team manag... (U1062)
posted 11 minutes ago
"I think your second answer negates the first though"
Nobody is disputing his technical ability.
But could you imagine him in a PL MF against the likes of Toure etc ??
Yet that is exactly what awaits him as a senior player.
So what does the club do ??
Have training sessions that whenever Carroll is on the pitch the opposite MF players get free rein on excessive body-checking (antics that would normally get a foul in the PL) in order to get him used to it ??
Get him on the weights (and probably have a Spurs physio <standard> where he then gets a muscle injury) ??
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If he was that good he'd be pushing to be in the squad on a regular basis
He's 22, a year younger than Holtby and the same age as Eriksen,
posted on 31/7/14
Bales, I think you see something in TC that no-ones does though tbh mate.
He is severely inept in two aspects of his game: Decision making & Physicality.
His technique is the only thing he has going for him, and teams in La Liga/Serie A already have plenty of players like him in their own academies.
posted on 31/7/14
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posted on 31/7/14
"He tried, he just didn't have enough matches."
You're so kind to Tommy.
posted on 31/7/14
Edin.. I rate the lad, it's that simple. Suggesting Italy or Spain doesn't have to mean Barca or Juve.
RDBD.. the club plays him in Europe and picks games in the league where he won't get kicked so much - the likes of Swansea that don't rely on muscle in the midfield.
Every player develops at a different rate, saying he should be at the level of Holtby or Eriksen doesn't help, and only reinforces my point that we don't value technique like we should, and need to if we want to improve as a nation.
posted on 31/7/14
"the club plays him in Europe and picks games in the league where he won't get kicked so much - the likes of Swansea that don't rely on muscle in the midfield"
But we only have so many of those games this season.
He needs to be playing as much as possible at the highest level possible, to try and improve to the level where he can be a PL squad regular.
Otherwise, as it stands his senior Spurs career is probably over.
posted on 31/7/14
Whilst it is true we do have a great midfield and he might not walk into the first choice line-up, we had an even better midfield a few days ago.
So we for sure know anything can happen with injuries. And that is what concerns me. What if we get another big one? So we do need more cover here as well.
Is he the answer? I don't know but I do trust Stevie.
UTR
posted on 31/7/14
Suggesting Italy or Spain would have to be a second division team still. La Liga is a step up from the PL and every team has players with significantly more talent than TC. Italian league maybe not, but he isn't good enough to compete with the midfield's in that league (where I feel Serie A currently excels at)
posted on 31/7/14
comment by The RDBD (demoted to supporting the team manag... (U1062)
posted 18 minutes ago
"the club plays him in Europe and picks games in the league where he won't get kicked so much - the likes of Swansea that don't rely on muscle in the midfield"
But we only have so many of those games this season.
He needs to be playing as much as possible at the highest level possible, to try and improve to the level where he can be a PL squad regular.
Otherwise, as it stands his senior Spurs career is probably over.
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Well done lighting
posted on 31/7/14
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 14 minutes ago
Suggesting Italy or Spain would have to be a second division team still. La Liga is a step up from the PL and every team has players with significantly more talent than TC. Italian league maybe not, but he isn't good enough to compete with the midfield's in that league (where I feel Serie A currently excels at)
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I really don't think it would, Lamela had a stunning first season in Italy yet was deemed too lightweight for the PL. They (Spain and Italy) have more time on the ball and coach accordingly - that's my point - sending him the the championship will just be another season of "wet Wednesday" training by which time his technical ability could be lost, or overlooked completely.
RDBD.. yes mate, I just disagree with the method chosen.
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