comment by SAF_The_Legend-FreePalestine (U5768) posted 14 minutes ago
You can pick out little bits like that to try and make a case...
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Which is exactly what you did.
comment by Sir Robert (U3823)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by SAF_The_Legend-FreePalestine (U5768) posted 14 minutes ago
You can pick out little bits like that to try and make a case...
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Which is exactly what you did.
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Or I looked at things in an overall sense...
Rather than look at those few games we played without Suarez, which upon closer inspection was really not that impressive.
Kneerash
This is a pretty pointless article mate, ok My fellow fans have put the blame on Moyes and they also think Liverpool will suffer without Suarez, all i'll say is when Ronaldo left Utd many thought Utd would suffer including many Liverpool fans, so it seems its only a natural reaction from opposing fans when a teams best player moves on.
If you also think when any teams best player gets injured or suspended the teams own fans natural thought is noooooo what we gonna do without him.
At the end of the day you've got a good manager and if you faith in him, then you have to think the players he's bought in with the proceeds of the Suarez sale can only benefit and strengthen the your squad.
SAF_The_Legend-FreePalestine (U5768)
I've logically drawn the conclusion that you dont know what you're talking about.
Tbh your a biased Liverpool fan who is drawing radically different conclusions from a lot of other fans. can't say your conclusion of me being illogical is particularly insulting given your bias.
Utd fans would never admit to anything remotely positive for us reds anyway so it's a pointless debate!
comment by sammyleesmonobrow (U3862)
Utd fans would never admit to anything remotely positive for us reds anyway so it's a pointless debate!
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Now your talking bollox
comment by SAF_The_Legend-FreePalestine (U5768)
posted 37 minutes ago
Tbh your a biased Liverpool fan who is drawing radically different conclusions from a lot of other fans. can't say your conclusion of me being illogical is particularly insulting given your bias.
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Show me a fact that I have posted that isn't true over a large period of time? You can't. You then have the temerity to talk about bias? How moronic.
Presenting a limited set of stats (no matter how factual) in a certain way can falsely present a case, someone with an interest or a bias can make a case in a certain way.
Think of it like a YouTube video which only shows the good bits. That isn't a lie either... Understand now?
It's the only thing we can base it on and it's thorough. Suarez has missed 18 games for LFC I think - go check our record. The reality is that you can't accept the facts and are arrogant enough to presume your opinion overrides the very logic that you're championing.
He was only in really outstanding form for last season (hence the 2nd rather than 7th) and I was only counting the league games (because we are discussing the league not how well you will do in the cups)
Did he miss any league games apart from the first five last season?
Sorry if you don't like the facts, they were not intended to insult you
If the issue is being without Suarez why does it matter about his form? The teams form since signing Coutinho and Sturridge is the issue here. I'd like to throw in Sterling meteoric rise as well.
Your "logic" is anything but. In fact it's illogical which makes it an oxymoron... or just moronic.
Anyway you're talking balls. He came 2nd in player of the year the season before and scored loads when returning from his Evra ban once Studge and Coutinho had arrived. Got hattricks and everything.
I don't think you know what you're talking about I'm afraid.
Think you'll find you are in the wrong, previous season he was one of a few top players in the league (hence the second and lack of 30 goals)
This season he stood out, hence the player of the year... And the 30 goals.
Losing such a player will impact any team, 5 games which you scraped through last season (with a gd of 5 scored 3 conceded) are not impressive. When you look at the teams played in that period and home/away status, even less so.
You may say the other people are the stars of your team, vast majority of opposition fans would disagree with you...
Maybe we are all biased and you are the only one who can see the truth..
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You’re using highly selective data, and including huge assumptions.
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I am using last season.
I am assuming losing a star player isn't good for a team.
The first one is because last season means a lot more, it is pointless using a season when Liverpool finished 7th and Suarez was nowhere near as good to look at how Liverpool were without Suarez. Suarez wasn't that good previously so no he wasn't a loss to the team.
The second one is logic even a biased child would struggle to argue with.
Obviously I have offended you with this logic...
Hey I tell you what then, losing your star player will make you much better.
Suarez was even better in the previous season he was just... umm.... really unlucky to not score as many goals and everyone was biased against him he was clearly better!
That is the reply you wanted, it isn't based on logic but is completely biased towards Liverpool
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You keep talking like 23 goals and 5 assists in 33 games is rubbish.
You keep ignoring the form of LFC from the point that Sturridge and Countinho signed.
Interesting thought process? Quite.
Similar to the double standards shown re: quantities of penalties given over the years.
2009-2013 it was all "Utd get so many penalties <waa>" and we would say "well you spend more time in the oppo's box, you will win more pens"
2013-14 it is "We win penalties because we are in the oppo's box more, it's different to when you used to get penalties because it is"
Shít happens dude, most footy fans are fickle as that.
Similar to the double standards shown re: quantities of penalties given over the years.
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So you agree that it’s “double standards”, then?
I don’t doubt there’s other fans who do it (in fact I started out by saying that they did), but you’ve no doubt already addressed that in the threads where they did it.
comment by SAF_The_Legend-FreePalestine (U5768)
posted 9 hours, 52 minutes ago
comment by Sir Robert (U3823)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by SAF_The_Legend-FreePalestine (U5768) posted 14 minutes ago
You can pick out little bits like that to try and make a case...
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Which is exactly what you did.
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Or I looked at things in an overall sense...
Rather than look at those few games we played without Suarez, which upon closer inspection was really not that impressive.
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No, you just picked out little bits to try and make a case...
I love how it's to be assumed that losing Suarez will mean that we'll struggle, and United's fans are quick to tell us we're wrong when we point out that it is a big loss. But not one that can't be overcome.
Equally it's assumed that LVG will be an instant success, and United will improve.
CoutinhosHappyFeet
Utd fans should know better, like i said earlier we sold Ronaldo many fans thought that was us finished but we still managed without him.
Look at Arsenal all the player they've sold and they still maintained their usual 4th place
Agreed. Haven’t seen too many Liverpool posters on here who would disagree with that. But that’s the only data to factor in? And why doesn’t it apply to the fact that you have quite a few personnel changes from the team that won you the league?
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You lost by far your best player, many of the ones we lost were not that great anymore.
Evra to Shaw isn't much difference, if not better.
Giggs to Herrera is a world of difference, Giggs was a quality footballer but was really getting on!
Rio not much of a loss on last seasons form
Vidic is a loss. We need to get a decent CB in.
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Everybody knows we’ll miss Suarez, but nobody knows how much. He missed about haf a season’s games while at Liverpool and our win-ratio during those absences was pretty good.
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TBH only really though it was last season he started hugely making a difference for you. Based on the games last season you will struggle a bit without him, comparatively you were on fire when he came back last season.
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“Nowhere near as good”? Pure opinion, he finished second in PFA player of the year.
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Pure opinion that the PFA player of the year awards and opposition fans all (well, mostly) agree with. Also the scoring charts will show a little difference as well and you cannot put that one down as opinion.
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In his very first game against you, (the season BEFORE that), he waltzed past about 4 of your players in a crowded penalty area and nutmegged your goalkeeper. He was excellent from the moment he arrived.
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You could tell he was a good player but he was a poor finisher when he first arrived. When he eventually sorted that out (last season) he was brilliant, hence the awards and praise from the opposition. He got better as he went on, hence getting closer to awards before winning them and finishing higher on the goalscoring charts...
I realise most Liverpool fans seem to have this revisionist idea of him being as good as he was last season since the very beginning but he wasn't.
Don't think he quite skinned 4 players in the area, although one of those he did leave on his backside was Wes Brown, certainly not a first choice United defender, barely a first choice Sunderland defender (probably not the only player who has embarrassed him, he was good in his younger days though)
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It’s impossible that he scored more goals last year because he was playing in a better team then? Absolutely out of the question? Even though his (and Liverpool’s) form kicked on immediately after we bought Sturridge and Coutinho?
That’s just a coincidence, right?
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Have you thought about that from the other way around?
Is it possible the slow improvement he had been showing since he joined Liverpool was continuing, surely it isn't purely coincidence that he was slowly continuing to get better...
Maybe he just magically stopped improving and all the improvement was down to Coutinho and Sturridge and he just coincidentally stopped improving when they came?
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It’s not even genuine logic, it’s pure opinion.
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Mostly the people disagreeing a Liverpool fans, they are well known for being slightly deluded...
Lets say it doesn't meet Liverpool logic then (as most things that make sense fail to)
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Why’s it obvious? I’m not remotely offended, I just think it’s not logic.
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Don't worry I wouldn't expect you to understand.
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Which is exactly what you did.
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I looked at the big things, the main points. He looked at a bunch of smaller ones, picking and choosing.
No you just picked out the points that suited your argument.
Okay then Robert, if you say so
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Interesting thought process
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posted on 8/8/14
comment by SAF_The_Legend-FreePalestine (U5768) posted 14 minutes ago
You can pick out little bits like that to try and make a case...
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Which is exactly what you did.
posted on 8/8/14
comment by Sir Robert (U3823)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by SAF_The_Legend-FreePalestine (U5768) posted 14 minutes ago
You can pick out little bits like that to try and make a case...
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Which is exactly what you did.
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Or I looked at things in an overall sense...
Rather than look at those few games we played without Suarez, which upon closer inspection was really not that impressive.
posted on 8/8/14
Kneerash
This is a pretty pointless article mate, ok My fellow fans have put the blame on Moyes and they also think Liverpool will suffer without Suarez, all i'll say is when Ronaldo left Utd many thought Utd would suffer including many Liverpool fans, so it seems its only a natural reaction from opposing fans when a teams best player moves on.
If you also think when any teams best player gets injured or suspended the teams own fans natural thought is noooooo what we gonna do without him.
At the end of the day you've got a good manager and if you faith in him, then you have to think the players he's bought in with the proceeds of the Suarez sale can only benefit and strengthen the your squad.
posted on 8/8/14
SAF_The_Legend-FreePalestine (U5768)
I've logically drawn the conclusion that you dont know what you're talking about.
posted on 8/8/14
Tbh your a biased Liverpool fan who is drawing radically different conclusions from a lot of other fans. can't say your conclusion of me being illogical is particularly insulting given your bias.
posted on 8/8/14
Utd fans would never admit to anything remotely positive for us reds anyway so it's a pointless debate!
posted on 8/8/14
comment by sammyleesmonobrow (U3862)
Utd fans would never admit to anything remotely positive for us reds anyway so it's a pointless debate!
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Now your talking bollox
posted on 8/8/14
comment by SAF_The_Legend-FreePalestine (U5768)
posted 37 minutes ago
Tbh your a biased Liverpool fan who is drawing radically different conclusions from a lot of other fans. can't say your conclusion of me being illogical is particularly insulting given your bias.
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Show me a fact that I have posted that isn't true over a large period of time? You can't. You then have the temerity to talk about bias? How moronic.
posted on 8/8/14
Presenting a limited set of stats (no matter how factual) in a certain way can falsely present a case, someone with an interest or a bias can make a case in a certain way.
Think of it like a YouTube video which only shows the good bits. That isn't a lie either... Understand now?
posted on 8/8/14
It's the only thing we can base it on and it's thorough. Suarez has missed 18 games for LFC I think - go check our record. The reality is that you can't accept the facts and are arrogant enough to presume your opinion overrides the very logic that you're championing.
posted on 8/8/14
He was only in really outstanding form for last season (hence the 2nd rather than 7th) and I was only counting the league games (because we are discussing the league not how well you will do in the cups)
Did he miss any league games apart from the first five last season?
Sorry if you don't like the facts, they were not intended to insult you
posted on 8/8/14
If the issue is being without Suarez why does it matter about his form? The teams form since signing Coutinho and Sturridge is the issue here. I'd like to throw in Sterling meteoric rise as well.
Your "logic" is anything but. In fact it's illogical which makes it an oxymoron... or just moronic.
Anyway you're talking balls. He came 2nd in player of the year the season before and scored loads when returning from his Evra ban once Studge and Coutinho had arrived. Got hattricks and everything.
I don't think you know what you're talking about I'm afraid.
posted on 8/8/14
Think you'll find you are in the wrong, previous season he was one of a few top players in the league (hence the second and lack of 30 goals)
This season he stood out, hence the player of the year... And the 30 goals.
Losing such a player will impact any team, 5 games which you scraped through last season (with a gd of 5 scored 3 conceded) are not impressive. When you look at the teams played in that period and home/away status, even less so.
You may say the other people are the stars of your team, vast majority of opposition fans would disagree with you...
Maybe we are all biased and you are the only one who can see the truth..
posted on 8/8/14
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posted on 8/8/14
You’re using highly selective data, and including huge assumptions.
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I am using last season.
I am assuming losing a star player isn't good for a team.
The first one is because last season means a lot more, it is pointless using a season when Liverpool finished 7th and Suarez was nowhere near as good to look at how Liverpool were without Suarez. Suarez wasn't that good previously so no he wasn't a loss to the team.
The second one is logic even a biased child would struggle to argue with.
Obviously I have offended you with this logic...
Hey I tell you what then, losing your star player will make you much better.
Suarez was even better in the previous season he was just... umm.... really unlucky to not score as many goals and everyone was biased against him he was clearly better!
That is the reply you wanted, it isn't based on logic but is completely biased towards Liverpool
posted on 8/8/14
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posted on 8/8/14
You keep talking like 23 goals and 5 assists in 33 games is rubbish.
You keep ignoring the form of LFC from the point that Sturridge and Countinho signed.
Interesting thought process? Quite.
posted on 8/8/14
Similar to the double standards shown re: quantities of penalties given over the years.
2009-2013 it was all "Utd get so many penalties <waa>" and we would say "well you spend more time in the oppo's box, you will win more pens"
2013-14 it is "We win penalties because we are in the oppo's box more, it's different to when you used to get penalties because it is"
Shít happens dude, most footy fans are fickle as that.
posted on 8/8/14
Similar to the double standards shown re: quantities of penalties given over the years.
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So you agree that it’s “double standards”, then?
I don’t doubt there’s other fans who do it (in fact I started out by saying that they did), but you’ve no doubt already addressed that in the threads where they did it.
posted on 8/8/14
comment by SAF_The_Legend-FreePalestine (U5768)
posted 9 hours, 52 minutes ago
comment by Sir Robert (U3823)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by SAF_The_Legend-FreePalestine (U5768) posted 14 minutes ago
You can pick out little bits like that to try and make a case...
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Which is exactly what you did.
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Or I looked at things in an overall sense...
Rather than look at those few games we played without Suarez, which upon closer inspection was really not that impressive.
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No, you just picked out little bits to try and make a case...
posted on 8/8/14
I love how it's to be assumed that losing Suarez will mean that we'll struggle, and United's fans are quick to tell us we're wrong when we point out that it is a big loss. But not one that can't be overcome.
Equally it's assumed that LVG will be an instant success, and United will improve.
posted on 8/8/14
CoutinhosHappyFeet
Utd fans should know better, like i said earlier we sold Ronaldo many fans thought that was us finished but we still managed without him.
Look at Arsenal all the player they've sold and they still maintained their usual 4th place
posted on 9/8/14
Agreed. Haven’t seen too many Liverpool posters on here who would disagree with that. But that’s the only data to factor in? And why doesn’t it apply to the fact that you have quite a few personnel changes from the team that won you the league?
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You lost by far your best player, many of the ones we lost were not that great anymore.
Evra to Shaw isn't much difference, if not better.
Giggs to Herrera is a world of difference, Giggs was a quality footballer but was really getting on!
Rio not much of a loss on last seasons form
Vidic is a loss. We need to get a decent CB in.
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Everybody knows we’ll miss Suarez, but nobody knows how much. He missed about haf a season’s games while at Liverpool and our win-ratio during those absences was pretty good.
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TBH only really though it was last season he started hugely making a difference for you. Based on the games last season you will struggle a bit without him, comparatively you were on fire when he came back last season.
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“Nowhere near as good”? Pure opinion, he finished second in PFA player of the year.
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Pure opinion that the PFA player of the year awards and opposition fans all (well, mostly) agree with. Also the scoring charts will show a little difference as well and you cannot put that one down as opinion.
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In his very first game against you, (the season BEFORE that), he waltzed past about 4 of your players in a crowded penalty area and nutmegged your goalkeeper. He was excellent from the moment he arrived.
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You could tell he was a good player but he was a poor finisher when he first arrived. When he eventually sorted that out (last season) he was brilliant, hence the awards and praise from the opposition. He got better as he went on, hence getting closer to awards before winning them and finishing higher on the goalscoring charts...
I realise most Liverpool fans seem to have this revisionist idea of him being as good as he was last season since the very beginning but he wasn't.
Don't think he quite skinned 4 players in the area, although one of those he did leave on his backside was Wes Brown, certainly not a first choice United defender, barely a first choice Sunderland defender (probably not the only player who has embarrassed him, he was good in his younger days though)
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It’s impossible that he scored more goals last year because he was playing in a better team then? Absolutely out of the question? Even though his (and Liverpool’s) form kicked on immediately after we bought Sturridge and Coutinho?
That’s just a coincidence, right?
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Have you thought about that from the other way around?
Is it possible the slow improvement he had been showing since he joined Liverpool was continuing, surely it isn't purely coincidence that he was slowly continuing to get better...
Maybe he just magically stopped improving and all the improvement was down to Coutinho and Sturridge and he just coincidentally stopped improving when they came?
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It’s not even genuine logic, it’s pure opinion.
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Mostly the people disagreeing a Liverpool fans, they are well known for being slightly deluded...
Lets say it doesn't meet Liverpool logic then (as most things that make sense fail to)
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Why’s it obvious? I’m not remotely offended, I just think it’s not logic.
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Don't worry I wouldn't expect you to understand.
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Which is exactly what you did.
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I looked at the big things, the main points. He looked at a bunch of smaller ones, picking and choosing.
posted on 9/8/14
No you just picked out the points that suited your argument.
posted on 9/8/14
Okay then Robert, if you say so
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