No Main, No Forrester, No Jones.
Excellent point after going a goal down to a top Div 1 team.
Squad down to the bones already.
I've got another question: If Knackeroff leaves, who the hell would want the job? (Shjte board, Tiny squad, No Money)???
There would be a queue round the Keepmoat xon. Always are plenty of managers wanting work.
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Very fortunate point, I'd say.
Rovers deseverd to win.
Ref shocking
Steer impressive
Evina looks athletic
wabara n mcullock did well
de val did well
keegan usual don't do enuf
26 good game but age old prob 2 chances straight down keepers throat especially second chance simple side foot into corner after he had dpone so well.ROBINSON ABSOLUTE SH YTE.
Bennet mom for me put himself about put his foot in and looked dangerous.
Not a fortunate point at all donaldo.
PNE came with a big reputation and were second best for most of the match.
I feared the worst tonight, especially when Jones went off but the lads seemed to galvanise and did deserve to win.
They played some very good football and tried to get behind Preston because there was no point in lumping high balls into their box, in the end it came off and Tyson did well to turn the ball in.
I agree with Lanza, and i can't believe i am writing this, but Bennett should have got the man of the match award.
De Val continues to impress me as well.
To be fair to Wakefield, he did ok when he came on too.
Brammall now has to prove his committment and allow PD to bring some players in.
Apart from Tyson the bench was full of kids and if we lose one more player right now we are in deep shino.
Brammall seems more interested in promoting this Club Doncaster c rap though so i doubt whether he will oblige.
Personally i am delighted with four points from three games given the tiny squad of players we have at our disposal and in my opinion, if we can manage a mid table place i will consider that PD will have done as well as can be expected.
The only thing that will set my sights higher is is TB backs the club with cash, and i doubt that.
I noticed that donaldo is now doing what bally used to do, that is waiting for things to go wrong and then revelling in having a go at the lads and the team.
Pd's substitution turned out ok though didn't it so that earlier comment can be put in a pipe and smoked.
As a point of interest there were a few catcalls aimed at Brammall from the south stand tonight.
Xon, i hear you are over in October.
I would love to meet up for a pint before a game mate.
What of our former superstars tonight:
Duffy and Husband were unused subs.
Cotterill was subbed, our former striker Sharp who apparently couldnt be motivated by our manager now apparently cant be motivated by Hockaday as he was subbed after having another poor game.
Brownie again didnt feature for Blackburn.
If only Wellens and Quinn could read this.
Excellent summary Hound. You clearly went to see the same game as me. When Jones went off my heart sank, but Wakefield and the rest were very good indeed. I take back everything I said about the defence. Couldn't fault Robinson for effort and after last week's absolute stinker Tyson saved a good point. On the negative side, even taking into account Copps "Messi" slalom into the PNE penalty area, for all the tidy play without Forrester we don't seem to have the craft to open defences through the middle, and the squad is threadbare. Red cards and injuries strike again.
Surely people don't think anyone who wants to contribute to a forum like this "revels" in the team's struggles which I think are far from over.
Hound may see the Board as a barrier to securing the future of the club and I agree that they are implicated. I don’t expect he revels in that. My focus though is the manager’s methods and I cannot see how he can disassociate himself from the poor performances which history suggests will happen again.
Fighting spirit may have secured a point last night, but reports tend to confirm the impression that there is not much foundation on which to build an effective and efficient attacking force. Dickov is not leading a bunch of street-fighters. Structure, strategy and skill need to be added to “pride” and all the pugilistic qualities that pepper Mr Dickov’s footballing philosophy.
If he can turn it round I will revel in the success and say I’m sorry that I got it wrong.
albi wakefield has numerous chances to cross the ball from wide positions and put the ball out of play or crossed poorly.
robinson was shocking.
messi doesn't aim at the keepers throat.
but as I said I thought 26 did well
The thing is donaldo, there was structure, strategy and skill in the performance last night as well as fighting spirit.
You have a very obvious "downer" on the manager and do take every oportunity to have a go at him, unjustifiably in the opinion of myself and some others.
Going over the old ground of us struggling to compete in the Championship because of our financial inequalities and the missing of scoring opportunities that would surely have kept us up would be boring but relevent when i ask what else could have been done to improve our season last time around.
So far this season we have won at Yeovil with astrong team, won at York with a weakened team, lost at home to Port Vale and then ground out a point against one of the much fancied sides in our division when we had again a much weakened team.
That doesn't sound to me like a team that is being lead by a manager who doesn't know what he is doing.
One of your traits don is to ask questions of PD but not offer much in the way of answers apart from your regularly stated "he seems tactically unaware" and such like.
This season will give us a chance to see how PD does against teams which are more equal financially to us in the main.
Perhaps he will have the lack of backing by Brammall to make life difficult for him (look at the lack of quality and experience on the bench against PNE for evidence of that) but maybe he will do well.
Just give the bloke a chance and stop having a pop at him all the time.
Your comment about the substution was thrust back at you big time on Tuesday night but i didn't see anything from you saying that he got that right.
Hound: You seem to consider that you have every right to express your opinions. Why tell me I should not express mine?
If I am so wide of the mark that will be recognised by astute observers like you and my comments will be disregarded.
Yes, it may be that you see me as asking questions of the manager. These are for him to respond to by providing consistent performances on the pitch. We are still waiting.
When you ask me to give Mr Dickov a break it sounds as though I am harassing him directly. Obviously I am not, although it clearly upsets you.
Has it occurred to you that those who persistently defend him might irritate people like me? And unless several people have changed their minds unexpectedly I may not be as isolated as you would have me believe.
However I have no wish to deny you your right of free expression. If you are perceptive, you might have detected attempts on my part in certain situations to go some way to accommodate the views of others with whom I may not agree completely. In doing this I believe that it shows that my mind is not closed to opposing arguments.
But I am not compromising because you effectively order me to do so.
1. I have never told you that you should not express an opinion.
2. There are very few managers, if any, who consistently get their sides to play well every week.
3. Why would i think that you are harassing PD directly, i doubt very much that he will read 606 and by the way, it does not upset me in the slightest.
4. I didn't say that you are isolated.
I did say that myself and some others consider that you are unjustified in consistently putting him down.
5. Can you find a single instance of me ordering you to do anything?
Hound:
Perhaps you do not realise how some of your posts come over and perhaps you do not intend to be abrasive at all.
My answers to your points are:
1. You say "I have never told you that you should not express an opinion." I agree that you have not said this explicitly, but in your earlier post you attacked, not my opinion, but me personally, saying "donaldo is now doing what bally used to do, that is waiting for things to go wrong and then revelling in having a go at the lads and the team." Whilst 606 is largely a free-for-all in terms of the Rules of Debate, this does disappoint me and implies not only that you do not respect my opinions but that I am irresponsibly malevolent.
What you say here is linked to your number 5. You ask "Can you find a single instance of me ordering you to do anything?” My answer is that I actually said “effectively ordering". You said “Just give the bloke a chance and stop having a pop at him all the time." If someone tells me to "Stop" doing something it is not a request and I think "order" describes it perfectly.
2. You say "There are very few managers, if any, who consistently get their sides to play well every week." I did not say that we should expect that. I called for "consistent performances".
3. You say "Why would i think that you are harassing PD directly, i doubt very much that he will read 606 and by the way, it does not upset me in the slightest." We agree that he will not read 606, but I refer you to your statement at 1 above; "Give the man a break" which is a colloquial term for requesting that someone stops harassing someone else.
4. You say "I didn't say that you are isolated." And I very carefully did not say that I was. I simply objected to your implication that I was. I said "I may not be as isolated as you would have me believe."
5. Please refer to 1.
You may not accept it, but I do try to be objective. If PD was new to the job, I would be more tolerant, but I set my views in the context of past performances. He may prove me wrong, but DRFC cannot afford another season of mediocrity. As you say all things are more equal as against the rest of those in this League. We cannot wait for ever for the manager to get it right though and it is the team’s success that is paramount.
I hope that you accept that I do not want to fall out with you or anyone else on here, but that we all have to be tolerant.
I have no desire to fall out with anyone on here.
For the sake of everyone else i won't bother continuing to respond to this particular debate.
Thanks Hound, hopefully you and Donaldo do not end up like Alex and I did. Let's all get behind the team, irrespective of who the manager is, and at the moment PD is in that position. However, it does not mean people cannot be constructive in criticism.
Thanks Newyankee. I'd love to be able to attend all the games, the home ones at least, because the experience of being there enables you to express your emotions, good or bad, there and then rather than reacting to the commentary (which can make it worse) and immediately recording them all on here straight from the heart.
Exactly Donaldo, I and several others are even worse off than you, we HAVE to resort to the Biltdown man and his stuttering oppo. It's aalso difficult to find time to watch all the complete games on player especially when you get 15 minutes in and the damn thing freezes.
I got so heated with the Alex thing I let my emotions get the better of me. You nad Hound seem able to check them before they go from bad to worse. Whether in Doncaster, in Britain or anywhere else in the world we are all Rovers supporters.
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ROVERS v Preston N. E. August 19th 2014
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posted on 19/8/14
No Main, No Forrester, No Jones.
Excellent point after going a goal down to a top Div 1 team.
Squad down to the bones already.
posted on 19/8/14
I've got another question: If Knackeroff leaves, who the hell would want the job? (Shjte board, Tiny squad, No Money)???
posted on 19/8/14
Afternoon all.
posted on 19/8/14
There would be a queue round the Keepmoat xon. Always are plenty of managers wanting work.
posted on 19/8/14
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posted on 19/8/14
Very fortunate point, I'd say.
posted on 19/8/14
Rovers deseverd to win.
Ref shocking
Steer impressive
Evina looks athletic
wabara n mcullock did well
de val did well
keegan usual don't do enuf
26 good game but age old prob 2 chances straight down keepers throat especially second chance simple side foot into corner after he had dpone so well.ROBINSON ABSOLUTE SH YTE.
Bennet mom for me put himself about put his foot in and looked dangerous.
posted on 19/8/14
Not a fortunate point at all donaldo.
PNE came with a big reputation and were second best for most of the match.
I feared the worst tonight, especially when Jones went off but the lads seemed to galvanise and did deserve to win.
They played some very good football and tried to get behind Preston because there was no point in lumping high balls into their box, in the end it came off and Tyson did well to turn the ball in.
I agree with Lanza, and i can't believe i am writing this, but Bennett should have got the man of the match award.
De Val continues to impress me as well.
To be fair to Wakefield, he did ok when he came on too.
Brammall now has to prove his committment and allow PD to bring some players in.
Apart from Tyson the bench was full of kids and if we lose one more player right now we are in deep shino.
Brammall seems more interested in promoting this Club Doncaster c rap though so i doubt whether he will oblige.
Personally i am delighted with four points from three games given the tiny squad of players we have at our disposal and in my opinion, if we can manage a mid table place i will consider that PD will have done as well as can be expected.
The only thing that will set my sights higher is is TB backs the club with cash, and i doubt that.
I noticed that donaldo is now doing what bally used to do, that is waiting for things to go wrong and then revelling in having a go at the lads and the team.
Pd's substitution turned out ok though didn't it so that earlier comment can be put in a pipe and smoked.
As a point of interest there were a few catcalls aimed at Brammall from the south stand tonight.
Xon, i hear you are over in October.
I would love to meet up for a pint before a game mate.
posted on 19/8/14
What of our former superstars tonight:
Duffy and Husband were unused subs.
Cotterill was subbed, our former striker Sharp who apparently couldnt be motivated by our manager now apparently cant be motivated by Hockaday as he was subbed after having another poor game.
Brownie again didnt feature for Blackburn.
If only Wellens and Quinn could read this.
posted on 20/8/14
Excellent summary Hound. You clearly went to see the same game as me. When Jones went off my heart sank, but Wakefield and the rest were very good indeed. I take back everything I said about the defence. Couldn't fault Robinson for effort and after last week's absolute stinker Tyson saved a good point. On the negative side, even taking into account Copps "Messi" slalom into the PNE penalty area, for all the tidy play without Forrester we don't seem to have the craft to open defences through the middle, and the squad is threadbare. Red cards and injuries strike again.
posted on 20/8/14
Surely people don't think anyone who wants to contribute to a forum like this "revels" in the team's struggles which I think are far from over.
Hound may see the Board as a barrier to securing the future of the club and I agree that they are implicated. I don’t expect he revels in that. My focus though is the manager’s methods and I cannot see how he can disassociate himself from the poor performances which history suggests will happen again.
Fighting spirit may have secured a point last night, but reports tend to confirm the impression that there is not much foundation on which to build an effective and efficient attacking force. Dickov is not leading a bunch of street-fighters. Structure, strategy and skill need to be added to “pride” and all the pugilistic qualities that pepper Mr Dickov’s footballing philosophy.
If he can turn it round I will revel in the success and say I’m sorry that I got it wrong.
posted on 20/8/14
albi wakefield has numerous chances to cross the ball from wide positions and put the ball out of play or crossed poorly.
robinson was shocking.
messi doesn't aim at the keepers throat.
but as I said I thought 26 did well
posted on 20/8/14
The thing is donaldo, there was structure, strategy and skill in the performance last night as well as fighting spirit.
You have a very obvious "downer" on the manager and do take every oportunity to have a go at him, unjustifiably in the opinion of myself and some others.
Going over the old ground of us struggling to compete in the Championship because of our financial inequalities and the missing of scoring opportunities that would surely have kept us up would be boring but relevent when i ask what else could have been done to improve our season last time around.
So far this season we have won at Yeovil with astrong team, won at York with a weakened team, lost at home to Port Vale and then ground out a point against one of the much fancied sides in our division when we had again a much weakened team.
That doesn't sound to me like a team that is being lead by a manager who doesn't know what he is doing.
One of your traits don is to ask questions of PD but not offer much in the way of answers apart from your regularly stated "he seems tactically unaware" and such like.
This season will give us a chance to see how PD does against teams which are more equal financially to us in the main.
Perhaps he will have the lack of backing by Brammall to make life difficult for him (look at the lack of quality and experience on the bench against PNE for evidence of that) but maybe he will do well.
Just give the bloke a chance and stop having a pop at him all the time.
Your comment about the substution was thrust back at you big time on Tuesday night but i didn't see anything from you saying that he got that right.
posted on 20/8/14
Hound: You seem to consider that you have every right to express your opinions. Why tell me I should not express mine?
If I am so wide of the mark that will be recognised by astute observers like you and my comments will be disregarded.
Yes, it may be that you see me as asking questions of the manager. These are for him to respond to by providing consistent performances on the pitch. We are still waiting.
When you ask me to give Mr Dickov a break it sounds as though I am harassing him directly. Obviously I am not, although it clearly upsets you.
Has it occurred to you that those who persistently defend him might irritate people like me? And unless several people have changed their minds unexpectedly I may not be as isolated as you would have me believe.
However I have no wish to deny you your right of free expression. If you are perceptive, you might have detected attempts on my part in certain situations to go some way to accommodate the views of others with whom I may not agree completely. In doing this I believe that it shows that my mind is not closed to opposing arguments.
But I am not compromising because you effectively order me to do so.
posted on 21/8/14
1. I have never told you that you should not express an opinion.
2. There are very few managers, if any, who consistently get their sides to play well every week.
3. Why would i think that you are harassing PD directly, i doubt very much that he will read 606 and by the way, it does not upset me in the slightest.
4. I didn't say that you are isolated.
I did say that myself and some others consider that you are unjustified in consistently putting him down.
5. Can you find a single instance of me ordering you to do anything?
posted on 21/8/14
Hound:
Perhaps you do not realise how some of your posts come over and perhaps you do not intend to be abrasive at all.
My answers to your points are:
1. You say "I have never told you that you should not express an opinion." I agree that you have not said this explicitly, but in your earlier post you attacked, not my opinion, but me personally, saying "donaldo is now doing what bally used to do, that is waiting for things to go wrong and then revelling in having a go at the lads and the team." Whilst 606 is largely a free-for-all in terms of the Rules of Debate, this does disappoint me and implies not only that you do not respect my opinions but that I am irresponsibly malevolent.
What you say here is linked to your number 5. You ask "Can you find a single instance of me ordering you to do anything?” My answer is that I actually said “effectively ordering". You said “Just give the bloke a chance and stop having a pop at him all the time." If someone tells me to "Stop" doing something it is not a request and I think "order" describes it perfectly.
2. You say "There are very few managers, if any, who consistently get their sides to play well every week." I did not say that we should expect that. I called for "consistent performances".
3. You say "Why would i think that you are harassing PD directly, i doubt very much that he will read 606 and by the way, it does not upset me in the slightest." We agree that he will not read 606, but I refer you to your statement at 1 above; "Give the man a break" which is a colloquial term for requesting that someone stops harassing someone else.
4. You say "I didn't say that you are isolated." And I very carefully did not say that I was. I simply objected to your implication that I was. I said "I may not be as isolated as you would have me believe."
5. Please refer to 1.
You may not accept it, but I do try to be objective. If PD was new to the job, I would be more tolerant, but I set my views in the context of past performances. He may prove me wrong, but DRFC cannot afford another season of mediocrity. As you say all things are more equal as against the rest of those in this League. We cannot wait for ever for the manager to get it right though and it is the team’s success that is paramount.
I hope that you accept that I do not want to fall out with you or anyone else on here, but that we all have to be tolerant.
posted on 21/8/14
I have no desire to fall out with anyone on here.
For the sake of everyone else i won't bother continuing to respond to this particular debate.
posted on 21/8/14
Thanks Hound, hopefully you and Donaldo do not end up like Alex and I did. Let's all get behind the team, irrespective of who the manager is, and at the moment PD is in that position. However, it does not mean people cannot be constructive in criticism.
posted on 21/8/14
Thanks Newyankee. I'd love to be able to attend all the games, the home ones at least, because the experience of being there enables you to express your emotions, good or bad, there and then rather than reacting to the commentary (which can make it worse) and immediately recording them all on here straight from the heart.
posted on 21/8/14
Exactly Donaldo, I and several others are even worse off than you, we HAVE to resort to the Biltdown man and his stuttering oppo. It's aalso difficult to find time to watch all the complete games on player especially when you get 15 minutes in and the damn thing freezes.
I got so heated with the Alex thing I let my emotions get the better of me. You nad Hound seem able to check them before they go from bad to worse. Whether in Doncaster, in Britain or anywhere else in the world we are all Rovers supporters.
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