comment by # Robb #freeGazza (U19350)
posted 1 minute ago
What Heisenberg said.
I personally have doubts about 352 but we are missing as many as 6 players who are more tailor made for the system that what we've had so far.
Wait and see before dismissing it.
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What 6 players tailor made. And by tailor made do you mean have played it and don't need to be coached in it?
comment by SouthLondonManc (U12028)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Heisenberg (U9091)
posted 53 seconds ago
the players look uncomfortable in a 442 and 433 last season.
some of these players need to move on as they are terrible and wont fit any system man utd play
let LVG put out his best team first before deciding 352 wont work. we dont have carrick/hererra/blind/rojo and shaw in the squad yet. all these players will help stabilise the defence and get more balls out to the attackers
its not rocket science - just some patience required
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Do you understand why even a team like Chelsea won't play 3-5-2?
Chelsea have 3 defenders made for 3-5-2 in Ivanovic, Terry and Cahill. It just won't work in the PL.
It works in Italy and Holland because the style of football is slow.
In England, one long ball and a flick on to a pacy winger kills a 3 man defence.
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They Have Hazard, Schurrle, the 2 Skinny brazillian fella. All with pace, skill and goals in them. THEY HAVE THE PLAYERS FOR 4-3-3. Still, they won diddly with it last year.
Also, they sold us a player Mourinho was adamant could not play in his 4-3-3. Many would want him to be at the heart of our midfield. Not ready for it. Di Maria does not make 4-3-3 feasible.
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posted 32 seconds ago
comment by SouthLondonManc (U12028)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 9 minutes ago
He didn't rate our wingers and thought our forwards needed to be in the team. Now we have Di Maria I think he'll switch to 433. I wouldn't get stressed about it.
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LvG is happy with 3-5-2. He will persist with it.
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Well he said when he discussed the formation that it might bit work and that he might have to change it. He has also spent 60m on a wide player, who have gave as an example if the kind of player he needs to go 433. What makes you so sure he'll stick with 352?
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Because every interview like the one today he says the defence did well, the players will improve once they get comfortable and we just need to make more chances.
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posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 19 minutes ago
He didn't rate our wingers and thought our forwards needed to be in the team. Now we have Di Maria I think he'll switch to 433. I wouldn't get stressed about it.
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One winger does not suddenly make 4-3-3 feasible. It require 2 at least and a back up to them. We look at teams that have reams of wide forwards and somehow think we can copy it with the options being rooney, valencia, mata and Januzaj. Not going to work.
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Adnan is a decent winger and has pace. I think Rooney might play wide too. I also think it'll suit Wilson
comment by SouthLondonManc (U12028)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by # Robb #freeGazza (U19350)
posted 1 minute ago
What Heisenberg said.
I personally have doubts about 352 but we are missing as many as 6 players who are more tailor made for the system that what we've had so far.
Wait and see before dismissing it.
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What 6 players tailor made. And by tailor made do you mean have played it and don't need to be coached in it?
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Rojo and Blind will be fine in a back 3 or as a wing back.
Shaw and Rafael will be fine as wing backs.
Carrick is the perfect CM to play in front of a back 3 or even as one of the back 3 and Herrera is a very intelligent footballer who no doubt will be fine in a midfield 3.
comment by Redastomatoes- FreeShinji! cleverson forever!I... (U12026)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by SouthLondonManc (U12028)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Heisenberg (U9091)
posted 53 seconds ago
the players look uncomfortable in a 442 and 433 last season.
some of these players need to move on as they are terrible and wont fit any system man utd play
let LVG put out his best team first before deciding 352 wont work. we dont have carrick/hererra/blind/rojo and shaw in the squad yet. all these players will help stabilise the defence and get more balls out to the attackers
its not rocket science - just some patience required
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Do you understand why even a team like Chelsea won't play 3-5-2?
Chelsea have 3 defenders made for 3-5-2 in Ivanovic, Terry and Cahill. It just won't work in the PL.
It works in Italy and Holland because the style of football is slow.
In England, one long ball and a flick on to a pacy winger kills a 3 man defence.
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They Have Hazard, Schurrle, the 2 Skinny brazillian fella. All with pace, skill and goals in them. THEY HAVE THE PLAYERS FOR 4-3-3. Still, they won diddly with it last year.
Also, they sold us a player Mourinho was adamant could not play in his 4-3-3. Many would want him to be at the heart of our midfield. Not ready for it. Di Maria does not make 4-3-3 feasible.
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Di Maria left in the forward 3?
Our team has pace and goals but it's just not being utilised. Di Maria and Januzaj wide would be a start.
In England, one long ball and a flick on to a pacy winger kills a 3 man defence.
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right now our wingers are crap and the midfield is poor. this formation has not been any worse than the formations we played last season
personally i believe 433 will be the way we go once the players come in and return from injury
right now, formation isnt the issue - the players are
you say the players look uncomfortable -but the players cant complete basics passes and hoof the ball away because they dont feel comfortable in posession
not much has changed since last season in that regard, let the signings come in and then moan at LVG with another one of your tedious articles if it is still not working
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 9 minutes ago
He didn't rate our wingers and thought our forwards needed to be in the team. Now we have Di Maria I think he'll switch to 433. I wouldn't get stressed about it.
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LvG is happy with 3-5-2. He will persist with it.
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Well he said when he discussed the formation that it might bit work and that he might have to change it. He has also spent 60m on a wide player, who have gave as an example if the kind of player he needs to go 433. What makes you so sure he'll stick with 352?
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Because every interview like the one today he says the defence did well, the players will improve once they get comfortable and we just need to make more chances.
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They will improve. But if they don't improve to a level that is good enough, he'll change things. I wouldn't actually be surprised if he goes 433 after the international break.
comment by # Robb #freeGazza (U19350)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by SouthLondonManc (U12028)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by # Robb #freeGazza (U19350)
posted 1 minute ago
What Heisenberg said.
I personally have doubts about 352 but we are missing as many as 6 players who are more tailor made for the system that what we've had so far.
Wait and see before dismissing it.
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What 6 players tailor made. And by tailor made do you mean have played it and don't need to be coached in it?
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Rojo and Blind will be fine in a back 3 or as a wing back.
Shaw and Rafael will be fine as wing backs.
Carrick is the perfect CM to play in front of a back 3 or even as one of the back 3 and Herrera is a very intelligent footballer who no doubt will be fine in a midfield 3.
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Robb, so all but two of those players have played 3-5-2.
I thought Jones would be ideal bringing the ball out in the middle 3.
I thought Rooney and RvP with Mata behind would be awesome.
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comment by Redastomatoes- FreeShinji! cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 19 minutes ago
He didn't rate our wingers and thought our forwards needed to be in the team. Now we have Di Maria I think he'll switch to 433. I wouldn't get stressed about it.
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One winger does not suddenly make 4-3-3 feasible. It require 2 at least and a back up to them. We look at teams that have reams of wide forwards and somehow think we can copy it with the options being rooney, valencia, mata and Januzaj. Not going to work.
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Adnan is a decent winger and has pace. I think Rooney might play wide too. I also think it'll suit Wilson
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Did you watch Adnan at MK Dons? With time and space he kept on crossing into the hand of the keeper or out wide, ala Young. He is not ready. And what does Rooney have that makes you think he will make a great Wide forward? Pace? Skill? Technique? Or there another skill Rooney has that other wide forwards do not?
That the final option is Wilson says it all tbh. It seems a good idea but we really have poorer options out wide than we do in midfield.
So can someone explain to me why he changed it against Liverpool to 4-3-3 but is reluctant in a game that is vitally important?
comment by # Robb #freeGazza (U19350)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by SouthLondonManc (U12028)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by # Robb #freeGazza (U19350)
posted 1 minute ago
What Heisenberg said.
I personally have doubts about 352 but we are missing as many as 6 players who are more tailor made for the system that what we've had so far.
Wait and see before dismissing it.
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What 6 players tailor made. And by tailor made do you mean have played it and don't need to be coached in it?
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Rojo and Blind will be fine in a back 3 or as a wing back.
Shaw and Rafael will be fine as wing backs.
Carrick is the perfect CM to play in front of a back 3 or even as one of the back 3 and Herrera is a very intelligent footballer who no doubt will be fine in a midfield 3.
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So where are Di Maria and Mata play?
I thought Rooney and RvP with Mata behind would be awesome.
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Only someone who has not watched us for the last few months can say that. Right now they may be the key problem for us and is a continuation of the delusions of things we have. We do not have enough wingers for a 4-3-3. Rooney, RvP and Mata do not make triumphant triumvirate everyone seems to think they are. Sort these 2 delusions out and we will start making actual progress
comment by SouthLondonManc (U12028)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by # Robb #freeGazza (U19350)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by SouthLondonManc (U12028)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by # Robb #freeGazza (U19350)
posted 1 minute ago
What Heisenberg said.
I personally have doubts about 352 but we are missing as many as 6 players who are more tailor made for the system that what we've had so far.
Wait and see before dismissing it.
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What 6 players tailor made. And by tailor made do you mean have played it and don't need to be coached in it?
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Rojo and Blind will be fine in a back 3 or as a wing back.
Shaw and Rafael will be fine as wing backs.
Carrick is the perfect CM to play in front of a back 3 or even as one of the back 3 and Herrera is a very intelligent footballer who no doubt will be fine in a midfield 3.
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Robb, so all but two of those players have played 3-5-2.
I thought Jones would be ideal bringing the ball out in the middle 3.
I thought Rooney and RvP with Mata behind would be awesome.
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All those players might still be awesome IF the rest of the team are good enough. All 11 players need to be on a similar level for the team to succeed.
It's no good having our front 3 with the likes of Fletcher and Cleverley behind them and young and Valencia on the wings.
To use an analogy it would be like having a sports car but with a Ford fiesta engine and flat tires.
Get proper wing backs playing and a decent cm and instantly the whole team plays better because there is more of a balance and players capable of doing what theyre asked.
comment by SouthLondonManc (U12028)
posted 20 seconds ago
So can someone explain to me why he changed it against Liverpool to 4-3-3 but is reluctant in a game that is vitally important?
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didnt he switch to 442 in the swansea game and change it up?
i dont think he is afraid to mix it up, today burnley parked the bus in the last 20 mins and we had most of the possession. there wasnt a need to change it - just a shame the players on the pitch were poor and couldnt create anything
might be controversial but i think RVP's done for and needs replacing. in his prime he'd have buried that chance he had. he also wasted possession in good positions.
De Gea
Rafael Smalling Rojo Shaw
Carrick Herrera
Januzji Kagawa Di Maria
RVP
That team would entertain.
comment by SouthLondonManc (U12028)
posted 4 minutes ago
So can someone explain to me why he changed it against Liverpool to 4-3-3 but is reluctant in a game that is vitally important?
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In the pre-season? He did not change it. He has only changed it once. Against Swansea and it was a grave mistake
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posted 6 minutes ago
comment by # Robb #freeGazza (U19350)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by SouthLondonManc (U12028)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by # Robb #freeGazza (U19350)
posted 1 minute ago
What Heisenberg said.
I personally have doubts about 352 but we are missing as many as 6 players who are more tailor made for the system that what we've had so far.
Wait and see before dismissing it.
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What 6 players tailor made. And by tailor made do you mean have played it and don't need to be coached in it?
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Rojo and Blind will be fine in a back 3 or as a wing back.
Shaw and Rafael will be fine as wing backs.
Carrick is the perfect CM to play in front of a back 3 or even as one of the back 3 and Herrera is a very intelligent footballer who no doubt will be fine in a midfield 3.
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Robb, so all but two of those players have played 3-5-2.
I thought Jones would be ideal bringing the ball out in the middle 3.
I thought Rooney and RvP with Mata behind would be awesome.
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so, out of interest, what formation and team would you pick out of the players we had available today?
and do you think we would have won and looked more comfortable in midfield and defence all of a suddent?
comment by # Robb #freeGazza (U19350)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by SouthLondonManc (U12028)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by # Robb #freeGazza (U19350)
posted 1 minute ago
What Heisenberg said.
I personally have doubts about 352 but we are missing as many as 6 players who are more tailor made for the system that what we've had so far.
Wait and see before dismissing it.
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What 6 players tailor made. And by tailor made do you mean have played it and don't need to be coached in it?
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Rojo and Blind will be fine in a back 3 or as a wing back.
Shaw and Rafael will be fine as wing backs.
Carrick is the perfect CM to play in front of a back 3 or even as one of the back 3 and Herrera is a very intelligent footballer who no doubt will be fine in a midfield 3.
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Hmmm, Herrera and one of Carrick and blind can be an improvement other than that I cant think of any player that can come in and improve 352.
Shaw is a defensive FB, he is not used to playing as a wingback and i dont think Its tailer made for him. Rojo could be a LCB but Blakett seems to be doing fine there. Rafael has some attributes to be a good wing back but he never played in that position so its hard to say "tailor made"
so thats 2 players that will improve 343 but those two players will also improve 433/4231. Shaw, Rafael coming in will also definitely improve 433/4231(their best positions). Di Maria and Januzaj paying as wingers(their best position) will improve 433/4231.
The players coming back from injury will improve 433 or 4231 far more than 352. We have better options to play 4231 or 433 than 352. Itll be incredibly stubborn of LVG to stick to 352 when the only reason which he implement it in the first place( playing Rooney, RVP and Mata at their best position) isnt working out
Let's put it this way.
What 352 has more of a chance of working?
DDG
Evans Jones Blackett
Valencia Fletcher Di Maria young
Mata
Rooney RvP
Or
DDG
Smalling Jones Rojo
Rafael Carrick Herrera Shaw
Di Maria/Mata?
Rooney RvP
might be controversial but i think RVP's done for and needs replacing. in his prime he'd have buried that chance he had. he also wasted possession in good positions.
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Agree with this. But saying that also means pointing out similar flaws in Rooney. Also wasted possession in in great positions. Did not even get in good positions to have a chance to miss.
Mirror reporting that Van Persie needs a knee operation that was put off at back end of last season so he could go to World Cup.
DDG
Smalling Jones Rojo
Rafael Carrick Herrera Shaw
Di Maria/Mata?
Rooney RvP
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This. That is our best 11 at the moment. Di Maria Starts though, thats unquestionable, not at 60 million.
comment by Redastomatoes- FreeShinji! cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 42 seconds ago
might be controversial but i think RVP's done for and needs replacing. in his prime he'd have buried that chance he had. he also wasted possession in good positions.
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Agree with this. But saying that also means pointing out similar flaws in Rooney. Also wasted possession in in great positions. Did not even get in good positions to have a chance to miss.
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yea good point, pretty depressing if neither hit top form this season. hopefully its just a lack of quality midfielder thats affecting their performances..
comment by Stretford_Ender85 (U10955)
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Mirror reporting that Van Persie needs a knee operation that was put off at back end of last season so he could go to World Cup.
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bloody world cup - wrecking RVP and Vidal argh!
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posted on 30/8/14
comment by # Robb #freeGazza (U19350)
posted 1 minute ago
What Heisenberg said.
I personally have doubts about 352 but we are missing as many as 6 players who are more tailor made for the system that what we've had so far.
Wait and see before dismissing it.
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What 6 players tailor made. And by tailor made do you mean have played it and don't need to be coached in it?
posted on 30/8/14
comment by SouthLondonManc (U12028)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Heisenberg (U9091)
posted 53 seconds ago
the players look uncomfortable in a 442 and 433 last season.
some of these players need to move on as they are terrible and wont fit any system man utd play
let LVG put out his best team first before deciding 352 wont work. we dont have carrick/hererra/blind/rojo and shaw in the squad yet. all these players will help stabilise the defence and get more balls out to the attackers
its not rocket science - just some patience required
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Do you understand why even a team like Chelsea won't play 3-5-2?
Chelsea have 3 defenders made for 3-5-2 in Ivanovic, Terry and Cahill. It just won't work in the PL.
It works in Italy and Holland because the style of football is slow.
In England, one long ball and a flick on to a pacy winger kills a 3 man defence.
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They Have Hazard, Schurrle, the 2 Skinny brazillian fella. All with pace, skill and goals in them. THEY HAVE THE PLAYERS FOR 4-3-3. Still, they won diddly with it last year.
Also, they sold us a player Mourinho was adamant could not play in his 4-3-3. Many would want him to be at the heart of our midfield. Not ready for it. Di Maria does not make 4-3-3 feasible.
posted on 30/8/14
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by SouthLondonManc (U12028)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 9 minutes ago
He didn't rate our wingers and thought our forwards needed to be in the team. Now we have Di Maria I think he'll switch to 433. I wouldn't get stressed about it.
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LvG is happy with 3-5-2. He will persist with it.
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Well he said when he discussed the formation that it might bit work and that he might have to change it. He has also spent 60m on a wide player, who have gave as an example if the kind of player he needs to go 433. What makes you so sure he'll stick with 352?
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Because every interview like the one today he says the defence did well, the players will improve once they get comfortable and we just need to make more chances.
posted on 30/8/14
comment by Redastomatoes- FreeShinji! cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 19 minutes ago
He didn't rate our wingers and thought our forwards needed to be in the team. Now we have Di Maria I think he'll switch to 433. I wouldn't get stressed about it.
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One winger does not suddenly make 4-3-3 feasible. It require 2 at least and a back up to them. We look at teams that have reams of wide forwards and somehow think we can copy it with the options being rooney, valencia, mata and Januzaj. Not going to work.
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Adnan is a decent winger and has pace. I think Rooney might play wide too. I also think it'll suit Wilson
posted on 30/8/14
comment by SouthLondonManc (U12028)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by # Robb #freeGazza (U19350)
posted 1 minute ago
What Heisenberg said.
I personally have doubts about 352 but we are missing as many as 6 players who are more tailor made for the system that what we've had so far.
Wait and see before dismissing it.
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What 6 players tailor made. And by tailor made do you mean have played it and don't need to be coached in it?
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Rojo and Blind will be fine in a back 3 or as a wing back.
Shaw and Rafael will be fine as wing backs.
Carrick is the perfect CM to play in front of a back 3 or even as one of the back 3 and Herrera is a very intelligent footballer who no doubt will be fine in a midfield 3.
posted on 30/8/14
comment by Redastomatoes- FreeShinji! cleverson forever!I... (U12026)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by SouthLondonManc (U12028)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Heisenberg (U9091)
posted 53 seconds ago
the players look uncomfortable in a 442 and 433 last season.
some of these players need to move on as they are terrible and wont fit any system man utd play
let LVG put out his best team first before deciding 352 wont work. we dont have carrick/hererra/blind/rojo and shaw in the squad yet. all these players will help stabilise the defence and get more balls out to the attackers
its not rocket science - just some patience required
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Do you understand why even a team like Chelsea won't play 3-5-2?
Chelsea have 3 defenders made for 3-5-2 in Ivanovic, Terry and Cahill. It just won't work in the PL.
It works in Italy and Holland because the style of football is slow.
In England, one long ball and a flick on to a pacy winger kills a 3 man defence.
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They Have Hazard, Schurrle, the 2 Skinny brazillian fella. All with pace, skill and goals in them. THEY HAVE THE PLAYERS FOR 4-3-3. Still, they won diddly with it last year.
Also, they sold us a player Mourinho was adamant could not play in his 4-3-3. Many would want him to be at the heart of our midfield. Not ready for it. Di Maria does not make 4-3-3 feasible.
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Di Maria left in the forward 3?
Our team has pace and goals but it's just not being utilised. Di Maria and Januzaj wide would be a start.
posted on 30/8/14
In England, one long ball and a flick on to a pacy winger kills a 3 man defence.
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right now our wingers are crap and the midfield is poor. this formation has not been any worse than the formations we played last season
personally i believe 433 will be the way we go once the players come in and return from injury
right now, formation isnt the issue - the players are
you say the players look uncomfortable -but the players cant complete basics passes and hoof the ball away because they dont feel comfortable in posession
not much has changed since last season in that regard, let the signings come in and then moan at LVG with another one of your tedious articles if it is still not working
posted on 30/8/14
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He didn't rate our wingers and thought our forwards needed to be in the team. Now we have Di Maria I think he'll switch to 433. I wouldn't get stressed about it.
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LvG is happy with 3-5-2. He will persist with it.
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Well he said when he discussed the formation that it might bit work and that he might have to change it. He has also spent 60m on a wide player, who have gave as an example if the kind of player he needs to go 433. What makes you so sure he'll stick with 352?
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Because every interview like the one today he says the defence did well, the players will improve once they get comfortable and we just need to make more chances.
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They will improve. But if they don't improve to a level that is good enough, he'll change things. I wouldn't actually be surprised if he goes 433 after the international break.
posted on 30/8/14
comment by # Robb #freeGazza (U19350)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by SouthLondonManc (U12028)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by # Robb #freeGazza (U19350)
posted 1 minute ago
What Heisenberg said.
I personally have doubts about 352 but we are missing as many as 6 players who are more tailor made for the system that what we've had so far.
Wait and see before dismissing it.
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What 6 players tailor made. And by tailor made do you mean have played it and don't need to be coached in it?
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Rojo and Blind will be fine in a back 3 or as a wing back.
Shaw and Rafael will be fine as wing backs.
Carrick is the perfect CM to play in front of a back 3 or even as one of the back 3 and Herrera is a very intelligent footballer who no doubt will be fine in a midfield 3.
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Robb, so all but two of those players have played 3-5-2.
I thought Jones would be ideal bringing the ball out in the middle 3.
I thought Rooney and RvP with Mata behind would be awesome.
posted on 30/8/14
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Redastomatoes- FreeShinji! cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 19 minutes ago
He didn't rate our wingers and thought our forwards needed to be in the team. Now we have Di Maria I think he'll switch to 433. I wouldn't get stressed about it.
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One winger does not suddenly make 4-3-3 feasible. It require 2 at least and a back up to them. We look at teams that have reams of wide forwards and somehow think we can copy it with the options being rooney, valencia, mata and Januzaj. Not going to work.
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Adnan is a decent winger and has pace. I think Rooney might play wide too. I also think it'll suit Wilson
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Did you watch Adnan at MK Dons? With time and space he kept on crossing into the hand of the keeper or out wide, ala Young. He is not ready. And what does Rooney have that makes you think he will make a great Wide forward? Pace? Skill? Technique? Or there another skill Rooney has that other wide forwards do not?
That the final option is Wilson says it all tbh. It seems a good idea but we really have poorer options out wide than we do in midfield.
posted on 30/8/14
So can someone explain to me why he changed it against Liverpool to 4-3-3 but is reluctant in a game that is vitally important?
posted on 30/8/14
comment by # Robb #freeGazza (U19350)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by SouthLondonManc (U12028)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by # Robb #freeGazza (U19350)
posted 1 minute ago
What Heisenberg said.
I personally have doubts about 352 but we are missing as many as 6 players who are more tailor made for the system that what we've had so far.
Wait and see before dismissing it.
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What 6 players tailor made. And by tailor made do you mean have played it and don't need to be coached in it?
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Rojo and Blind will be fine in a back 3 or as a wing back.
Shaw and Rafael will be fine as wing backs.
Carrick is the perfect CM to play in front of a back 3 or even as one of the back 3 and Herrera is a very intelligent footballer who no doubt will be fine in a midfield 3.
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So where are Di Maria and Mata play?
posted on 30/8/14
I thought Rooney and RvP with Mata behind would be awesome.
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Only someone who has not watched us for the last few months can say that. Right now they may be the key problem for us and is a continuation of the delusions of things we have. We do not have enough wingers for a 4-3-3. Rooney, RvP and Mata do not make triumphant triumvirate everyone seems to think they are. Sort these 2 delusions out and we will start making actual progress
posted on 30/8/14
comment by SouthLondonManc (U12028)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by # Robb #freeGazza (U19350)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by SouthLondonManc (U12028)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by # Robb #freeGazza (U19350)
posted 1 minute ago
What Heisenberg said.
I personally have doubts about 352 but we are missing as many as 6 players who are more tailor made for the system that what we've had so far.
Wait and see before dismissing it.
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What 6 players tailor made. And by tailor made do you mean have played it and don't need to be coached in it?
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Rojo and Blind will be fine in a back 3 or as a wing back.
Shaw and Rafael will be fine as wing backs.
Carrick is the perfect CM to play in front of a back 3 or even as one of the back 3 and Herrera is a very intelligent footballer who no doubt will be fine in a midfield 3.
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Robb, so all but two of those players have played 3-5-2.
I thought Jones would be ideal bringing the ball out in the middle 3.
I thought Rooney and RvP with Mata behind would be awesome.
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All those players might still be awesome IF the rest of the team are good enough. All 11 players need to be on a similar level for the team to succeed.
It's no good having our front 3 with the likes of Fletcher and Cleverley behind them and young and Valencia on the wings.
To use an analogy it would be like having a sports car but with a Ford fiesta engine and flat tires.
Get proper wing backs playing and a decent cm and instantly the whole team plays better because there is more of a balance and players capable of doing what theyre asked.
posted on 30/8/14
comment by SouthLondonManc (U12028)
posted 20 seconds ago
So can someone explain to me why he changed it against Liverpool to 4-3-3 but is reluctant in a game that is vitally important?
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didnt he switch to 442 in the swansea game and change it up?
i dont think he is afraid to mix it up, today burnley parked the bus in the last 20 mins and we had most of the possession. there wasnt a need to change it - just a shame the players on the pitch were poor and couldnt create anything
might be controversial but i think RVP's done for and needs replacing. in his prime he'd have buried that chance he had. he also wasted possession in good positions.
posted on 30/8/14
De Gea
Rafael Smalling Rojo Shaw
Carrick Herrera
Januzji Kagawa Di Maria
RVP
That team would entertain.
posted on 30/8/14
comment by SouthLondonManc (U12028)
posted 4 minutes ago
So can someone explain to me why he changed it against Liverpool to 4-3-3 but is reluctant in a game that is vitally important?
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In the pre-season? He did not change it. He has only changed it once. Against Swansea and it was a grave mistake
posted on 30/8/14
comment by SouthLondonManc (U12028)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by # Robb #freeGazza (U19350)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by SouthLondonManc (U12028)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by # Robb #freeGazza (U19350)
posted 1 minute ago
What Heisenberg said.
I personally have doubts about 352 but we are missing as many as 6 players who are more tailor made for the system that what we've had so far.
Wait and see before dismissing it.
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What 6 players tailor made. And by tailor made do you mean have played it and don't need to be coached in it?
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Rojo and Blind will be fine in a back 3 or as a wing back.
Shaw and Rafael will be fine as wing backs.
Carrick is the perfect CM to play in front of a back 3 or even as one of the back 3 and Herrera is a very intelligent footballer who no doubt will be fine in a midfield 3.
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Robb, so all but two of those players have played 3-5-2.
I thought Jones would be ideal bringing the ball out in the middle 3.
I thought Rooney and RvP with Mata behind would be awesome.
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so, out of interest, what formation and team would you pick out of the players we had available today?
and do you think we would have won and looked more comfortable in midfield and defence all of a suddent?
posted on 30/8/14
comment by # Robb #freeGazza (U19350)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by SouthLondonManc (U12028)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by # Robb #freeGazza (U19350)
posted 1 minute ago
What Heisenberg said.
I personally have doubts about 352 but we are missing as many as 6 players who are more tailor made for the system that what we've had so far.
Wait and see before dismissing it.
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What 6 players tailor made. And by tailor made do you mean have played it and don't need to be coached in it?
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Rojo and Blind will be fine in a back 3 or as a wing back.
Shaw and Rafael will be fine as wing backs.
Carrick is the perfect CM to play in front of a back 3 or even as one of the back 3 and Herrera is a very intelligent footballer who no doubt will be fine in a midfield 3.
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Hmmm, Herrera and one of Carrick and blind can be an improvement other than that I cant think of any player that can come in and improve 352.
Shaw is a defensive FB, he is not used to playing as a wingback and i dont think Its tailer made for him. Rojo could be a LCB but Blakett seems to be doing fine there. Rafael has some attributes to be a good wing back but he never played in that position so its hard to say "tailor made"
so thats 2 players that will improve 343 but those two players will also improve 433/4231. Shaw, Rafael coming in will also definitely improve 433/4231(their best positions). Di Maria and Januzaj paying as wingers(their best position) will improve 433/4231.
The players coming back from injury will improve 433 or 4231 far more than 352. We have better options to play 4231 or 433 than 352. Itll be incredibly stubborn of LVG to stick to 352 when the only reason which he implement it in the first place( playing Rooney, RVP and Mata at their best position) isnt working out
posted on 30/8/14
Let's put it this way.
What 352 has more of a chance of working?
DDG
Evans Jones Blackett
Valencia Fletcher Di Maria young
Mata
Rooney RvP
Or
DDG
Smalling Jones Rojo
Rafael Carrick Herrera Shaw
Di Maria/Mata?
Rooney RvP
posted on 30/8/14
might be controversial but i think RVP's done for and needs replacing. in his prime he'd have buried that chance he had. he also wasted possession in good positions.
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Agree with this. But saying that also means pointing out similar flaws in Rooney. Also wasted possession in in great positions. Did not even get in good positions to have a chance to miss.
posted on 30/8/14
Mirror reporting that Van Persie needs a knee operation that was put off at back end of last season so he could go to World Cup.
posted on 30/8/14
DDG
Smalling Jones Rojo
Rafael Carrick Herrera Shaw
Di Maria/Mata?
Rooney RvP
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This. That is our best 11 at the moment. Di Maria Starts though, thats unquestionable, not at 60 million.
posted on 30/8/14
comment by Redastomatoes- FreeShinji! cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 42 seconds ago
might be controversial but i think RVP's done for and needs replacing. in his prime he'd have buried that chance he had. he also wasted possession in good positions.
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Agree with this. But saying that also means pointing out similar flaws in Rooney. Also wasted possession in in great positions. Did not even get in good positions to have a chance to miss.
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yea good point, pretty depressing if neither hit top form this season. hopefully its just a lack of quality midfielder thats affecting their performances..
posted on 30/8/14
comment by Stretford_Ender85 (U10955)
posted 2 minutes ago
Mirror reporting that Van Persie needs a knee operation that was put off at back end of last season so he could go to World Cup.
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bloody world cup - wrecking RVP and Vidal argh!
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