comment by Busbybabes (U9083)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by #Robb - My sky subscription bought us Falcao (U19350)
posted 12 seconds ago
I might be wrong about £170 million.

Herrera - £30 million
Shaw - £30 million
Di Maria - £60 million
Rojo - £17 million plus £4 million Nani wages
Blind - £14 million
Falcao - £12 million loan fee.
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Herrera - £33 million
Shaw - £37 million
Di Maria - £59 million
Rojo - £17 million
Blind - £14 million
Falcao - £6 million loan fee.


Is what I have seen in the more reliable papers
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Herrera £29m
Shaw £27m

According to BBC.

comment by VC - Darren Fletcher is the white Bryan Robson (U3584)
posted 6 minutes ago
Top four really isn't going to be as easy as some of you seem to think.

All of this isn't going to click straight away.
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I still believe there are four stronger teams than United, even if on paper we look stronger than one or two of them.

comment by UnitedRedMacca - Ed - Deal-a-Maker (U2024)
posted 2 minutes ago
We need to get back in the top 4

That's why I'd be playing a system the players are used to, with the additional players in the squad, top 4 shouldn't be a massive problem

If we persist with formations and tactics that we are clearly struggling with for much longer, and the results don't change, top4 will be gone before we even get going.

Our season starts a week on Sunday
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Exacxtly

Shaw definitely wasn't £37m.

Top 4 is going to be very hard but if people think LVG is going to easily drop his 3 at the back then I think they're in for a shock, this whole philosophy stuff he keeps mentioning is key and needs to be understood by all for it to work and that is only going to happen with time and patience.

comment by He's French, He's Flash... (U9335)
posted 11 minutes ago
can LvG afford not to get top 4 this season?

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He can. The club can't.

We will lose £60m CL money and £250m from the Adidas money.
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Sponsor money doesn't kick in until next season, along with any implications of no CL football

Herrera - £33 million
Shaw - £37 million
Di Maria - £59 million
Rojo - £17 million
Blind - £14 million
Falcao - £6 million loan fee.


Is what I have seen in the more reliable papers
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Herrera's buyout was 30mil and I'm presuming the 37m for shaw was just fat fingers BB

I'd say the stakes are high. Not reaching the top four would be disastrous (though I don't know to what extent - amazing how many people know the fine details of our contract with Adidas). It would look like a major underperformance on the part of LVG and such an expensive squad. On the other hand, if radically changing the tactics means we don't have a coherent team until November, we may be left with a formidable gap to close on a few teams that don't drop that many points.

comment by Robben van Persie #20 - Rolls Reus - Hipster #... (U1145)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Busbybabes (U9083)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by #Robb - My sky subscription bought us Falcao (U19350)
posted 12 seconds ago
I might be wrong about £170 million.

Herrera - £30 million
Shaw - £30 million
Di Maria - £60 million
Rojo - £17 million plus £4 million Nani wages
Blind - £14 million
Falcao - £12 million loan fee.
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Herrera - £33 million
Shaw - £37 million
Di Maria - £59 million
Rojo - £17 million
Blind - £14 million
Falcao - £6 million loan fee.


Is what I have seen in the more reliable papers
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Herrera £29m
Shaw £27m

According to BBC.
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I meant £27m for Shaw

Wasn't sure on Herrera, I know his buyout was £33m last season.

comment by Busbybabes (U9083)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by Robben van Persie #20 - Rolls Reus - Hipster #... (U1145)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Busbybabes (U9083)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by #Robb - My sky subscription bought us Falcao (U19350)
posted 12 seconds ago
I might be wrong about £170 million.

Herrera - £30 million
Shaw - £30 million
Di Maria - £60 million
Rojo - £17 million plus £4 million Nani wages
Blind - £14 million
Falcao - £12 million loan fee.
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Herrera - £33 million
Shaw - £37 million
Di Maria - £59 million
Rojo - £17 million
Blind - £14 million
Falcao - £6 million loan fee.


Is what I have seen in the more reliable papers
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Herrera £29m
Shaw £27m

According to BBC.
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I meant £27m for Shaw

Wasn't sure on Herrera, I know his buyout was £33m last season.
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Busby

33m for Herrera that you heard may have been Euro's?

comment by Busbybabes (U9083)
posted 1 minute ago
comment byHe's French, He's Flash... (U9335)
posted 11 minutes ago
can LvG afford not to get top 4 this season?

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He can. The club can't.

We will lose £60m CL money and £250m from the Adidas money.
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Sponsor money doesn't kick in until next season, along with any implications of no CL football
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Yes thank you Macca, we've established this already...

I think we all agree we should be playing a back four, but with the signing of Rojo I see it as unlikely. Unless LVG simply doesn't think Shaw's ready.

comment by He's French, He's Flash... (U9335)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Busbybabes (U9083)
posted 1 minute ago
comment byHe's French, He's Flash... (U9335)
posted 11 minutes ago
can LvG afford not to get top 4 this season?

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He can. The club can't.

We will lose £60m CL money and £250m from the Adidas money.
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Sponsor money doesn't kick in until next season, along with any implications of no CL football
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Yes thank you Macca, we've established this already...


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Just wanted to ensure you got the message

Point is will you be happy if you don't get champions league this season????

Money spend!

Players brought in!

Class of manager appointed!

Kolo's Long Schłong! KLS

It won't be the end of the world if we miss it but I'd start to worry.

What's more important though for me is how we play this season and if we see a gradual improvement throughout the team and an understanding of this philosophy. If that does happen then I'd be confident even without getting in the top 4 that we are on the right track.

comment by Kolo's Long Schłong! KLS (U1695)
posted 2 minutes ago
Point is will you be happy if you don't get champions league this season????

Money spend!

Players brought in!

Class of manager appointed!
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If we narrowly miss out on CL football after a very good end to the season, I could stomach it.

Like I said, I don't expect it this season, what I hope for is some cohesion within the side and some good football.

comment by He's French, He's Flash...Louis, Louis, Louis, Louis.. Vaa-aha-aan-Gaal! (U9335)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Busbybabes (U9083)
posted 1 minute ago
comment byHe's French, He's Flash... (U9335)
posted 11 minutes ago
can LvG afford not to get top 4 this season?

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He can. The club can't.

We will lose £60m CL money and £250m from the Adidas money.
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Sponsor money doesn't kick in until next season, along with any implications of no CL football
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Yes thank you Macca, we've established this already...


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Last Summer, dropping out of the top 4 was unthinkable to us

Since then, we have spent 200 million quid

If Moyes was an unmitigated disaster coming in and implementing his system and finishing 7th then I'm sorry but LVG coming in having a FAR superior squad to work with having spent a fortune would be every bit as big a disaster, if not more so

I understand changes take time but we had an easy ride to the start of this season more or less and we have been utterly dreadful

Furthermore, I don't believe it should be taking much time to get (if they are available) Shaw Herrera Blind Januzaj Di Maria Mata RVP Rooney and Falcao up to speed to beat the likes of QPR and West Ham at home and even some kind of result against Leicester away. Which takes us to Everton on Oct 5th -that would be a fortnight away from the promised 'I need three months'

Patience is one thing. Losing or drawing to potential relegation fodder in another.

If we were getting beaten by the likes of City Arsenal Liverpool Chelsea at the moment, I could understand the patience but, we arn't

Yes, we get strange results, Stoke v City. Arsenal v Leicester for example but a loss, or even draw, against QPR, would make it 5 poor results, playing poorly too, on the bounce

We may have a fair few new players but so does everyone else

I will add, if the board had not backed him, I of course would be far less hopeful, but even then, I would have expected a miles better start than we have had, even with the injuries.

Season starts a week on Sunday. If the players arnt gelling, win ugly. Our forward earn enough

#maccarant

I think many fans and possibly even certain media outlets would have given us the benefit of the doubt had we concluded our transfer dealings with the likes of Herrera,Shaw,Blind and Rojo and missed out on CL football.Granted we still would've gotten criticism because we're a big,big club and getting CL football would have still been our main objective.

But the pressure really mounts up now after spending big money on established stars such as Di Maria and Falcao and if we dont get CL football for next season then major questions would be asked.

Basically we're in a 'do or die' situation.

BRING BACK MOYES

Mutv right now if you want cheering up over Danny leaving, have a glimpse of how good James Wilson is

comment by Mex- El Tigre and Fideo! Muy Muy Bueno (U6687)
posted 18 seconds ago
Mutv right now if you want cheering up over Danny leaving, have a glimpse of how good James Wilson is
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I already know

I know you do Macca he really is something special! apparently the reason Welbeck wanted to leave is because LVG said he'd be 5th choice behind Wilson this season, whether that's true or not I've no idea

Was it Nicky Butt or might have been Paul Scholes said hey have never seen anyone able to leap so high from a standing start

Can head, score with either foot, technically solid, and classy close ball control, great at running with the ball too

A real talent

Top 4 or give him the sack. Call me whatever you want, you can't go around with a strike force of Falcao, Rooney, Rvp, Di Maria and Mata and not get top 4.

Add to that, we had a lot of numpties here last season saying Liverpool had it easy, well so do we now, we have even managed to cut more games by being humiliated in the carling cup.

"Was it Nicky Butt or might have been Paul Scholes said hey have never seen anyone able to leap so high from a standing start"

That must be pretty impressive when you consider how good Ronaldo is at it and I'm sure Scholes witnessed that.