Alardyce:
Lambert - Carroll
........Nolan
He really needs to work the players harder in training!
dyche has all the potential in my opinion, he talks intelligently, refers to a philosophy (which we need, all the great international teams have had it, Germany has one famously laid down and adopted by their entire league structure, Spain traded on the barca philosophy and bulked it out with "the best of the rest"
we need someone (or group of them) with the right mentality, rodgers always bangs on about how hes constantly got something new to learn, dyche seems in a similar mould, if the england manager doesnt have the players, he should be off studying cutting edge coaching techniques, modern advances in sports science/nutrition and physiotherapy techniques, yes he has teams for these but without an understanding how can he lead them?
Dyche woud be good, he could adopt either liverpool or Southamptons (although they dont have many left) ethos and "do a spain" adopt the Play style and the English players from that squad, and bulk it out with "the best of the rest"
that's the only way to stop England from playing like strangers, take the spine of a club team, and bulk it out with the MOST APPROPRIATE players rather than shoehorning the biggest players in.
Look at some of the spanish/brazilian names who never really got a chance in the national team, they dident just accommodate them out of position..
Also, stop moving sterling to accommodate Rooney. At this point in time he's the leading light of English football, whereas Rooney has always been a false dawn.
Wouldnt care if he was in a coma.
England have had a host of top class mangers over the last 20yrs and have not improved – in fact IMO they have regressed.
A replacement manager would still have the same pool of players to chose from.
The manager is not the problem.
No to Shearer. He'll fail miserably
Imo, if the players dont learn the basics at their club, they wont perform at Intl Level. International training camps are only 2 weeks at the most. Players can only learn so much in that short space of time whilst playing games. You dont learn how to play football whilst with your national team, you learn it week in week out at your club. If every club had 2/3 Sterlings, you might see a better national team.
The Spanish lot didnt learn pass and move whilst with their national set up. They learnt it at Barca, the players who werent from Barca and were from Madrid and the other clubs, they could slot in anyway seamlessly and perform like a team. Ditto the Germans.
Also one other thing, I think people automatically thought, 'throw in the youngsters into the England team and we'll start playing like Germany'. I said a while back, this current crop of players seem to be getting overhyped and wont necessarily be better than the "golden generation" that has just gone by.
Nearly all of the old players have gone now from the team, the playing style still hasnt improved much.
Until we get the top clubs, churning out youngsters who regularly play in the CL, not just fill up squad places, England wont amount to anything at the top level.
Bit of a mishmash post but you get my drift
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 8 minutes ago
England have had a host of top class mangers over the last 20yrs and have not improved – in fact IMO they have regressed.
A replacement manager would still have the same pool of players to chose from.
The manager is not the problem.
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I couldnt think of a worse manager, the mans built a career on nothing but shīte awful fecking manager
Hodgson to BBC: "We've got to be careful we don't [...] throw the baby out with the bathwater. But we do need to tamper with the bathwater.""
In the last few years football has changed. Young progressive and attack minded managers are making great strides in the world of football. Of course you still have your classic style Del Bosque, LVG and Anchelotti's of the world. They are world respected with tried and trusted methods. Then I see the next generation of managers like BR, Martinez, Jorge Sampaoli(Chile National Coach) Pep Guardiola and Eddie Howe (had to throw in a young british manager) who have changed the way we look at football for the foreseeable future. We need a manager that will be with England for the next 5-10 years. They need to play this style of attacking football as that is what our youngster s in the squad are playing for their parents. Barring James Milner nobody in that England squad plays a ridgid 442 on a weekly basis. That to me is a huge problem. I would love to get Jorge Sampaoli as manager. Even before the world cup on BBC 606 they were having a debate and I texted in saying Chile are the team to watch and dark horses. They never read out my message. What he has done to Chile is got them to play with pace and composure then press high up the field with high tempo and force mistakes. He should lead England because his brand of footba is exciting to watch and no matter if we win lose or draw you can see what he is trying to achieve.
Side note, funny how Liverpool enjured poor attendance while Woy was in charge with the numbers getting lower and lower with boring brand of football. The same is now happening with England. Coincidence I don't think so... I would never go watch England play under Roy too expensive tickets for the lack of probable entertainment.
Gordon Strachan makes more sense than Woy ! and I haven't the faintest idea what he's saying !
*Parents equals Parent Clubs stupid predictive text
If you take a look at the last half a dozen England managers, and in particular their achievements elsewhere, it is apparent there are other reasons why England have failed to progress; irrespective of the individual coaching/selecting the team.
I agree that the manager is not THE problem, of course there are much wider issues in the English game which mean we are highly unlikely to win anything any time soon, but he is still A problem, because he isn't very good.
A good manager could have us knocking around last 16/QF's with a more appealing, more obvious style that at least have the impression of trying to create SOMETHING.
Hodgson has done nothing in two years to suggest he is building anything. Our competitive results are getting worse and we have no recognisable pattern of play or obvious plan of action.
He has this qualifying campaign to change that I am sure, but personally I can only see things getting worse.
The fact players involved in the first team are retiring suggests they have no faith we are going anywhere.
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The fact players involved in the first team are retiring suggests they have no faith we are going anywhere.
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Players like a 36 year old Lampard and a 34 year old Gerrard?
What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
& Mr Chelsea
Whilst I completely agree the players arent good enough I do believe they are better than they currently show. And I put that down to poor management. As a Liverpool fan I see Sterling, Sturridge and Henderson playing superb football and are key players in our side. Yet they do not appear capable of repeating it for England. Similarly with Gerrard. And Lampard who was a key component in Chelseas most successful ever period, yet has for the last 5/6 seasons looked totally lost in an England shirt.
Those players are capable of playing much better than they do for England, and I put that element of it down to the management of the national team.
Age is irrelevant.
You think they would retire if they genuinely believed we had chances of achieving something?
Lampard maybe given his career is nearly over but Gerrard wouldn't.
Wessie has called it here.
I've argued that same point a number of times, if you take out our performances on home-soil in tournament football, we have one (Italia 90) other in which we went far, even in that World Cup we were lucky to scrape past Cameroon.
English football sides dominate in the 70s as Wessie eludes to & we dont qualify for a single tournament in nearly a decade, if I'm not mistaken.
The Premeir League was set-up amongst other things as a way of supposedly developing our national team, fitting that it was created in the midst of one of our worst periods (Graham Taylor, Andy Sinton & San Marino etc).
That was worse then, Euro 96 aside & a crop of very good players who maybe in 2004 should've went further, we've hit our level time & again. Quater finals mainly mixed with the odd year of failing to qualify.
We can argue about why forever, the reality is we do what I atleast, more often than not expect of us. Perhaps in the next 20 years there'll be one exceptional World Cup, were we battle to a semi-final, if it comes along simply enjoy it!
You think they would retire if they genuinely believed we had chances of achieving something?
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Yes. You made it sound as if some of the new crop are contemplating retirement.
Gerrard can just about keep up in the Prem, forget internationals. He'll be hitting 36 when the next tourno comes around. Lampard is 36 already. They were always gna retire
Talksrubbish
No doubt The Hodge's brand of football isnt that great. Ditto Capello/Mclaren. Last time I actually enjoyed England was when we had Sven. Those classic encounters against Portugal.
More English players need to be playing their club football at elite level. The Champions League. The step up from Premier League to International is just too big to bridge without having CL's experience.
Forget this brilliant record, English clubs seem to have in the CL in the last 10 years. Doesn't matter one jot when the majority of teams we have had winning it and getting far into the knockout stages, were filled with foreigners.
Hasn't helped the England team one bit that Liverpool Utd and Chelsea have won the CL and progressed many times into the semi finals and finals in the last decade or so.
I don't know what you lot are worried about. Roy is one of the most respected coaches in Europe. Or so he thinks.
This is a quote from when he was Liverpool manager
"What do you mean do my methods translate? They have translated from Halmstad to Malmo to Orebo to Neuchatel Xamax to the Swiss national team. So I find the question insulting. To suggest that, because I have moved from one club to another, that the methods which have stood me in good stead for 35 years and made me one of the most respected coaches in Europe don’t suddenly work, is very hard to believe."
His methods worked at European giants such as Halmstad, Malmo, Orebo and Neuchatel Xamax so of course they'll work at England
Roy is a football dinosaur. The coaching staff he has needs to be overhauled too. Ray Lewington is his mate and a yes man. Gary Neville, good pundit, has his coaching badges, but had about as no actual coaching experience at a high level, so why is he an England coach! Apparently he was chosen because he talks sense on Sky. Seriously, that's why he's an England coach?!
The whole system needs to be changed. We need a proper coach at the helm, we need to give him 5-10 years to get it right.
My choice would be Paul Clement. A pro licence coach who has coached at Chelsea, PSG and Real Madrid under Ancelotti. He may not have the experience of day to day management, but he's been coaching since he was 23 and is currently coaching at the every highest level. This is what we need to go forward. We need a progressive, young coach, who can give the national team a direction, a philosophy and he needs to be given time to do it.
They have translated from Halmstad to Malmo to Orebo to Neuchatel Xamax to the Swiss national team.
IMO England are just not technically good enough to compete with the top teams. Ball retention is so important at the highest level and England do not keep it as well as others. While they have some good players there are none at the moment that could be described as world class. (Welé aside )
For reasons unknown too many England players are regularly unable to recreate club form for country, while many of their (foreign) club team mates are able to with their national sides.
On my last point I said English sides dominated the 70s, which thinking about it was an exaggeration, considering Ajax & Bayern shared 6 European Cups between them on the spin. Must be added that their national teams performed pretty well at the time, contesting a World Cup final as well.
We did though throughout the decade, especially 77 onwards perform well in European competition. At the time Keegan & co were watching Scotland play at a major competition.
We appointed badly (somethings rarely change) at the time & perhaps if Clough was given the job, who knows but even a manager of his ability would I still believe, have found the going tough, to get England into the deep-end of a World Cup on a regular basis.
I don't disagree with the posts of Wessie or Galloping Major.
They don't change the fact that Hodgson is a poor manager though.
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posted on 8/9/14
Alardyce:
Lambert - Carroll
........Nolan
posted on 8/9/14
He really needs to work the players harder in training!
posted on 8/9/14
dyche has all the potential in my opinion, he talks intelligently, refers to a philosophy (which we need, all the great international teams have had it, Germany has one famously laid down and adopted by their entire league structure, Spain traded on the barca philosophy and bulked it out with "the best of the rest"
we need someone (or group of them) with the right mentality, rodgers always bangs on about how hes constantly got something new to learn, dyche seems in a similar mould, if the england manager doesnt have the players, he should be off studying cutting edge coaching techniques, modern advances in sports science/nutrition and physiotherapy techniques, yes he has teams for these but without an understanding how can he lead them?
Dyche woud be good, he could adopt either liverpool or Southamptons (although they dont have many left) ethos and "do a spain" adopt the Play style and the English players from that squad, and bulk it out with "the best of the rest"
that's the only way to stop England from playing like strangers, take the spine of a club team, and bulk it out with the MOST APPROPRIATE players rather than shoehorning the biggest players in.
Look at some of the spanish/brazilian names who never really got a chance in the national team, they dident just accommodate them out of position..
Also, stop moving sterling to accommodate Rooney. At this point in time he's the leading light of English football, whereas Rooney has always been a false dawn.
posted on 8/9/14
Wouldnt care if he was in a coma.
posted on 8/9/14
England have had a host of top class mangers over the last 20yrs and have not improved – in fact IMO they have regressed.
A replacement manager would still have the same pool of players to chose from.
The manager is not the problem.
posted on 8/9/14
No to Shearer. He'll fail miserably
Imo, if the players dont learn the basics at their club, they wont perform at Intl Level. International training camps are only 2 weeks at the most. Players can only learn so much in that short space of time whilst playing games. You dont learn how to play football whilst with your national team, you learn it week in week out at your club. If every club had 2/3 Sterlings, you might see a better national team.
The Spanish lot didnt learn pass and move whilst with their national set up. They learnt it at Barca, the players who werent from Barca and were from Madrid and the other clubs, they could slot in anyway seamlessly and perform like a team. Ditto the Germans.
Also one other thing, I think people automatically thought, 'throw in the youngsters into the England team and we'll start playing like Germany'. I said a while back, this current crop of players seem to be getting overhyped and wont necessarily be better than the "golden generation" that has just gone by.
Nearly all of the old players have gone now from the team, the playing style still hasnt improved much.
Until we get the top clubs, churning out youngsters who regularly play in the CL, not just fill up squad places, England wont amount to anything at the top level.
posted on 8/9/14
Bit of a mishmash post but you get my drift
posted on 8/9/14
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 8 minutes ago
England have had a host of top class mangers over the last 20yrs and have not improved – in fact IMO they have regressed.
A replacement manager would still have the same pool of players to chose from.
The manager is not the problem.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I couldnt think of a worse manager, the mans built a career on nothing but shīte awful fecking manager
posted on 8/9/14
Hodgson to BBC: "We've got to be careful we don't [...] throw the baby out with the bathwater. But we do need to tamper with the bathwater.""
posted on 8/9/14
In the last few years football has changed. Young progressive and attack minded managers are making great strides in the world of football. Of course you still have your classic style Del Bosque, LVG and Anchelotti's of the world. They are world respected with tried and trusted methods. Then I see the next generation of managers like BR, Martinez, Jorge Sampaoli(Chile National Coach) Pep Guardiola and Eddie Howe (had to throw in a young british manager) who have changed the way we look at football for the foreseeable future. We need a manager that will be with England for the next 5-10 years. They need to play this style of attacking football as that is what our youngster s in the squad are playing for their parents. Barring James Milner nobody in that England squad plays a ridgid 442 on a weekly basis. That to me is a huge problem. I would love to get Jorge Sampaoli as manager. Even before the world cup on BBC 606 they were having a debate and I texted in saying Chile are the team to watch and dark horses. They never read out my message. What he has done to Chile is got them to play with pace and composure then press high up the field with high tempo and force mistakes. He should lead England because his brand of footba is exciting to watch and no matter if we win lose or draw you can see what he is trying to achieve.
Side note, funny how Liverpool enjured poor attendance while Woy was in charge with the numbers getting lower and lower with boring brand of football. The same is now happening with England. Coincidence I don't think so... I would never go watch England play under Roy too expensive tickets for the lack of probable entertainment.
posted on 8/9/14
Gordon Strachan makes more sense than Woy ! and I haven't the faintest idea what he's saying !
posted on 8/9/14
*Parents equals Parent Clubs stupid predictive text
posted on 8/9/14
If you take a look at the last half a dozen England managers, and in particular their achievements elsewhere, it is apparent there are other reasons why England have failed to progress; irrespective of the individual coaching/selecting the team.
posted on 8/9/14
I agree that the manager is not THE problem, of course there are much wider issues in the English game which mean we are highly unlikely to win anything any time soon, but he is still A problem, because he isn't very good.
A good manager could have us knocking around last 16/QF's with a more appealing, more obvious style that at least have the impression of trying to create SOMETHING.
Hodgson has done nothing in two years to suggest he is building anything. Our competitive results are getting worse and we have no recognisable pattern of play or obvious plan of action.
He has this qualifying campaign to change that I am sure, but personally I can only see things getting worse.
The fact players involved in the first team are retiring suggests they have no faith we are going anywhere.
posted on 8/9/14
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posted on 8/9/14
The fact players involved in the first team are retiring suggests they have no faith we are going anywhere.
_________
Players like a 36 year old Lampard and a 34 year old Gerrard?
posted on 8/9/14
What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
& Mr Chelsea
Whilst I completely agree the players arent good enough I do believe they are better than they currently show. And I put that down to poor management. As a Liverpool fan I see Sterling, Sturridge and Henderson playing superb football and are key players in our side. Yet they do not appear capable of repeating it for England. Similarly with Gerrard. And Lampard who was a key component in Chelseas most successful ever period, yet has for the last 5/6 seasons looked totally lost in an England shirt.
Those players are capable of playing much better than they do for England, and I put that element of it down to the management of the national team.
posted on 8/9/14
Age is irrelevant.
You think they would retire if they genuinely believed we had chances of achieving something?
Lampard maybe given his career is nearly over but Gerrard wouldn't.
posted on 8/9/14
Wessie has called it here.
I've argued that same point a number of times, if you take out our performances on home-soil in tournament football, we have one (Italia 90) other in which we went far, even in that World Cup we were lucky to scrape past Cameroon.
English football sides dominate in the 70s as Wessie eludes to & we dont qualify for a single tournament in nearly a decade, if I'm not mistaken.
The Premeir League was set-up amongst other things as a way of supposedly developing our national team, fitting that it was created in the midst of one of our worst periods (Graham Taylor, Andy Sinton & San Marino etc).
That was worse then, Euro 96 aside & a crop of very good players who maybe in 2004 should've went further, we've hit our level time & again. Quater finals mainly mixed with the odd year of failing to qualify.
We can argue about why forever, the reality is we do what I atleast, more often than not expect of us. Perhaps in the next 20 years there'll be one exceptional World Cup, were we battle to a semi-final, if it comes along simply enjoy it!
posted on 8/9/14
You think they would retire if they genuinely believed we had chances of achieving something?
________
Yes. You made it sound as if some of the new crop are contemplating retirement.
Gerrard can just about keep up in the Prem, forget internationals. He'll be hitting 36 when the next tourno comes around. Lampard is 36 already. They were always gna retire
Talksrubbish
No doubt The Hodge's brand of football isnt that great. Ditto Capello/Mclaren. Last time I actually enjoyed England was when we had Sven. Those classic encounters against Portugal.
More English players need to be playing their club football at elite level. The Champions League. The step up from Premier League to International is just too big to bridge without having CL's experience.
Forget this brilliant record, English clubs seem to have in the CL in the last 10 years. Doesn't matter one jot when the majority of teams we have had winning it and getting far into the knockout stages, were filled with foreigners.
Hasn't helped the England team one bit that Liverpool Utd and Chelsea have won the CL and progressed many times into the semi finals and finals in the last decade or so.
posted on 8/9/14
I don't know what you lot are worried about. Roy is one of the most respected coaches in Europe. Or so he thinks.
This is a quote from when he was Liverpool manager
"What do you mean do my methods translate? They have translated from Halmstad to Malmo to Orebo to Neuchatel Xamax to the Swiss national team. So I find the question insulting. To suggest that, because I have moved from one club to another, that the methods which have stood me in good stead for 35 years and made me one of the most respected coaches in Europe don’t suddenly work, is very hard to believe."
His methods worked at European giants such as Halmstad, Malmo, Orebo and Neuchatel Xamax so of course they'll work at England
Roy is a football dinosaur. The coaching staff he has needs to be overhauled too. Ray Lewington is his mate and a yes man. Gary Neville, good pundit, has his coaching badges, but had about as no actual coaching experience at a high level, so why is he an England coach! Apparently he was chosen because he talks sense on Sky. Seriously, that's why he's an England coach?!
The whole system needs to be changed. We need a proper coach at the helm, we need to give him 5-10 years to get it right.
My choice would be Paul Clement. A pro licence coach who has coached at Chelsea, PSG and Real Madrid under Ancelotti. He may not have the experience of day to day management, but he's been coaching since he was 23 and is currently coaching at the every highest level. This is what we need to go forward. We need a progressive, young coach, who can give the national team a direction, a philosophy and he needs to be given time to do it.
posted on 8/9/14
They have translated from Halmstad to Malmo to Orebo to Neuchatel Xamax to the Swiss national team.
posted on 8/9/14
IMO England are just not technically good enough to compete with the top teams. Ball retention is so important at the highest level and England do not keep it as well as others. While they have some good players there are none at the moment that could be described as world class. (Welé aside )
For reasons unknown too many England players are regularly unable to recreate club form for country, while many of their (foreign) club team mates are able to with their national sides.
posted on 8/9/14
On my last point I said English sides dominated the 70s, which thinking about it was an exaggeration, considering Ajax & Bayern shared 6 European Cups between them on the spin. Must be added that their national teams performed pretty well at the time, contesting a World Cup final as well.
We did though throughout the decade, especially 77 onwards perform well in European competition. At the time Keegan & co were watching Scotland play at a major competition.
We appointed badly (somethings rarely change) at the time & perhaps if Clough was given the job, who knows but even a manager of his ability would I still believe, have found the going tough, to get England into the deep-end of a World Cup on a regular basis.
posted on 8/9/14
I don't disagree with the posts of Wessie or Galloping Major.
They don't change the fact that Hodgson is a poor manager though.
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