I love the fact that again the new guys are already far better than the current players without having to kick a single ball.
I'd bring them in gradually. Maybe give them some time on Saturday if we're looking comfortable or in any upcoming cup games.
Throwing them into the deep end could do them more harm than good in the long run.
Be patient. We've only lost one game in 5.
I think fazio is gonna get ripped apart in the premier league hope I am wrong.
I am amazed at how vertonghen gets off unpunished he was marginally worse than kaboul against liverpool. His positioning was shocking and I never once see him shouting across to kaboul it was always the other way round.
Feck them both off and start carter-vickers and veljkovic. These boys are too talented to wait behind this bunch of crappp.
There's no magic formula to what will work, clearly some players need more time to settle than others.
Dier done alright being chucked in, Lamela needed a season to adjust.. I'd say Fazio is an experienced pro, he's come from a Europa cup win and a solid performance against Real in the Super Cup.
Stambouli.. who knows.. but we've plenty of cover there so I'm sure he won't be chucked in before Poch thinks he's ready
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Feck them both off and start carter-vickers and veljkovic. These boys are too talented to wait behind this bunch of crappp.
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Cmon LLM they'd have been destroyed by pool.
Chicken, it's not as simple as "favouring the new guys" it s a pure fact of our defence being absolute shocking and we are still playing virtually the same defence as last season. That same defence that got ripped to shreads time and time again. Vertonghen, Kaboul and Rose and naughton were all part of that defence last season and are still playing together. I want a decent centre back to partner Vertonghen as he is still by far our best defender and I want Rose out of that left back position as Davies although not as dynamic seems much more steady and solid. I dont want to see naughton anywhere near right back so will have to keep Dier there until walker is fit. So far we have not seen an improvement in defence because we are playing the same defenders as last season. It has to stop and the likes of Fazio and Davies have to come in and start. The others have been tried and tested. It's not just the Liverpool game but clear evidence from last season that this defence is not good enough.
comment by Chicken - Mr Consistent✔ (U1043)
posted 6 hours, 14 minutes ago
I love the fact that again the new guys are already far better than the current players without having to kick a single ball.
I'd bring them in gradually. Maybe give them some time on Saturday if we're looking comfortable or in any upcoming cup games.
Throwing them into the deep end could do them more harm than good in the long run.
Be patient. We've only lost one game in 5.
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Yup I favour new guys..
Fazio: We complain players aren't Top 4 quality. when we sign a player that has won more than most of our squad put together we are suddenly accused of favouritism.
Stambouli: Won the league with Montpellier in France..it may not be much but whilst he was winning the league Bentaleb was playing academy football.
Call me bias but If we think they were worth buying then they must be worth a start. especially when they clearly have more experience and current form than the ones that are currently playing.
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comment by Greatteamswinit4times-I'mdogmatic 27/4 (U6008)
posted 1 hour, 44 minutes ago
John O Shea has won more than your squad, that doesn't mean you'd want him in your first 11.
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With all due respect neither of the aforementioned players were utility players or bit part. Both were integral to their sides success.
If you feel John O Shea was integral to United's success then fair enough. Vidic and Ferdinand must have been spectators ?!!
comment by Greatteamswinit4times-I'mdogmatic 27/4 (U6008)
posted 1 hour, 54 minutes ago
John O Shea has won more than your squad, that doesn't mean you'd want him in your first 11.
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We just got beat 3-0. Chuck em in.
LLM, I enjoy reading what you have to say, and you are one of the better posters, and while I agree with you on how overated Vertonghen is, I do question your judgement of players some times, especially when you maintained that Livermore would go on to be a top top centre back ....
not only has Fazio never played for us, but he has never played in the prem, so I think its a bit soon for you to say that some unknown centre back from the academy should take his place...
I want a decent centre back to partner Vertonghen as he is still by far our best defender
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probably true ability wise, but its about time he showed it.
he looks rubbish, and has done for a year now
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"To be fair, fazio couldn't get in Sevillas side for league games."
He played 19 times in the league last season which seems to contradict the above statement
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your statement assumed that he had no injuries or suspensions... now I don't know whether he did or didn't, but I am sure you have looked into it... ?
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comment by Greatteamswinit4times-I'mdogmatic 27/4 (U6008)
posted 8 minutes ago
So he played half their games, and quite a few as sub. So my statement is pretty accurate.
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I was wrong Wikipedia stats
He played 27 league games and 41 overall
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/federico-fazio/leistungsdaten/spieler/45314/saison/2013
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http://www.espnfc.com/player/97425/federico-fazio?season=2013
27 games
http://uk.soccerway.com/teams/spain/sevilla-futbol-club/2021/squad/
27 games - also shows he was the fourth highest in minutes played
Haych fantastic research pal.
david Attenborough aint got nuttin on you bro.
It's also worth noting he's played more every season since injury problems a few years ago.
I wouldn't expect him to start every game anyway, it's not every day you need a 6' 5" CB.
Chronic
Bales - he is a bit of a NEW beast
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posted on 9/9/14
I love the fact that again the new guys are already far better than the current players without having to kick a single ball.
I'd bring them in gradually. Maybe give them some time on Saturday if we're looking comfortable or in any upcoming cup games.
Throwing them into the deep end could do them more harm than good in the long run.
Be patient. We've only lost one game in 5.
posted on 9/9/14
I think fazio is gonna get ripped apart in the premier league hope I am wrong.
I am amazed at how vertonghen gets off unpunished he was marginally worse than kaboul against liverpool. His positioning was shocking and I never once see him shouting across to kaboul it was always the other way round.
Feck them both off and start carter-vickers and veljkovic. These boys are too talented to wait behind this bunch of crappp.
posted on 9/9/14
There's no magic formula to what will work, clearly some players need more time to settle than others.
Dier done alright being chucked in, Lamela needed a season to adjust.. I'd say Fazio is an experienced pro, he's come from a Europa cup win and a solid performance against Real in the Super Cup.
Stambouli.. who knows.. but we've plenty of cover there so I'm sure he won't be chucked in before Poch thinks he's ready
posted on 9/9/14
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posted on 9/9/14
Feck them both off and start carter-vickers and veljkovic. These boys are too talented to wait behind this bunch of crappp.
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Cmon LLM they'd have been destroyed by pool.
posted on 9/9/14
Chicken, it's not as simple as "favouring the new guys" it s a pure fact of our defence being absolute shocking and we are still playing virtually the same defence as last season. That same defence that got ripped to shreads time and time again. Vertonghen, Kaboul and Rose and naughton were all part of that defence last season and are still playing together. I want a decent centre back to partner Vertonghen as he is still by far our best defender and I want Rose out of that left back position as Davies although not as dynamic seems much more steady and solid. I dont want to see naughton anywhere near right back so will have to keep Dier there until walker is fit. So far we have not seen an improvement in defence because we are playing the same defenders as last season. It has to stop and the likes of Fazio and Davies have to come in and start. The others have been tried and tested. It's not just the Liverpool game but clear evidence from last season that this defence is not good enough.
posted on 9/9/14
comment by Chicken - Mr Consistent✔ (U1043)
posted 6 hours, 14 minutes ago
I love the fact that again the new guys are already far better than the current players without having to kick a single ball.
I'd bring them in gradually. Maybe give them some time on Saturday if we're looking comfortable or in any upcoming cup games.
Throwing them into the deep end could do them more harm than good in the long run.
Be patient. We've only lost one game in 5.
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Yup I favour new guys..
Fazio: We complain players aren't Top 4 quality. when we sign a player that has won more than most of our squad put together we are suddenly accused of favouritism.
Stambouli: Won the league with Montpellier in France..it may not be much but whilst he was winning the league Bentaleb was playing academy football.
Call me bias but If we think they were worth buying then they must be worth a start. especially when they clearly have more experience and current form than the ones that are currently playing.
posted on 9/9/14
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posted on 10/9/14
comment by Greatteamswinit4times-I'mdogmatic 27/4 (U6008)
posted 1 hour, 44 minutes ago
John O Shea has won more than your squad, that doesn't mean you'd want him in your first 11.
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With all due respect neither of the aforementioned players were utility players or bit part. Both were integral to their sides success.
If you feel John O Shea was integral to United's success then fair enough. Vidic and Ferdinand must have been spectators ?!!
posted on 10/9/14
comment by Greatteamswinit4times-I'mdogmatic 27/4 (U6008)
posted 1 hour, 54 minutes ago
John O Shea has won more than your squad, that doesn't mean you'd want him in your first 11.
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We just got beat 3-0. Chuck em in.
posted on 10/9/14
LLM, I enjoy reading what you have to say, and you are one of the better posters, and while I agree with you on how overated Vertonghen is, I do question your judgement of players some times, especially when you maintained that Livermore would go on to be a top top centre back ....
not only has Fazio never played for us, but he has never played in the prem, so I think its a bit soon for you to say that some unknown centre back from the academy should take his place...
posted on 10/9/14
I want a decent centre back to partner Vertonghen as he is still by far our best defender
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probably true ability wise, but its about time he showed it.
he looks rubbish, and has done for a year now
posted on 10/9/14
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posted on 10/9/14
"To be fair, fazio couldn't get in Sevillas side for league games."
He played 19 times in the league last season which seems to contradict the above statement
posted on 10/9/14
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posted on 10/9/14
your statement assumed that he had no injuries or suspensions... now I don't know whether he did or didn't, but I am sure you have looked into it... ?
posted on 10/9/14
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posted on 10/9/14
comment by Greatteamswinit4times-I'mdogmatic 27/4 (U6008)
posted 8 minutes ago
So he played half their games, and quite a few as sub. So my statement is pretty accurate.
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I was wrong Wikipedia stats
He played 27 league games and 41 overall
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/federico-fazio/leistungsdaten/spieler/45314/saison/2013
posted on 10/9/14
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posted on 10/9/14
http://www.espnfc.com/player/97425/federico-fazio?season=2013
27 games
posted on 10/9/14
http://uk.soccerway.com/teams/spain/sevilla-futbol-club/2021/squad/
27 games - also shows he was the fourth highest in minutes played
posted on 10/9/14
Haych fantastic research pal.
david Attenborough aint got nuttin on you bro.
posted on 10/9/14
It's also worth noting he's played more every season since injury problems a few years ago.
I wouldn't expect him to start every game anyway, it's not every day you need a 6' 5" CB.
posted on 10/9/14
Chronic
Bales - he is a bit of a NEW beast
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