Nothing but respect for Stevie G. for his service to both Club and Country, but realistically they'll have to drag him off the pitch by all four limbs before he'll retire. I think he's one of those footballers that simply will not retire based on his form. For better or worse, he'll be a dipper till he's 38-39. Looks like worse. I will not LAL on this post, simply out of respect for this man. Phatckt.
Eoro Cup Final Midfields
77 - Case, Callaghan, McDermott, Kennedy
78 - Case, McDermott, Souness, Kennedy
81 - Lee, McDermott, Souness, Kennedy
84 - Lee, Johnston, Souness, Whelan
05 - Garcia, Gerrard, Alonso, Riise
There were no passengers in any of those midfields. No players whom we had to surround with players who can run.
Pirlo needs players around him who do the running
he's a complete non-entity getting forward or in defence
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comment by FatJanMolby *I'm a boogie monster* (U4297)
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He didn't have to play today. Lucas could have been our DM, Henderson and Lallana. Gerrard is a legend but BR needs to manage him better.
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I guess but I don't knwo about Lallana's finess and there are different roles and so on. I'm more disappointed that he changed the CB's again.
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Second half we played Lallana further up with Henderson and Gerrard deeper. Lucas could have played Gerard's role. Markovic could have been brought on if Lallana tired. The point is we did have options.
I was also disappointed we changed it at the back. Continuity is key in defence and there was no reason to bring in Skrtel today. We can't keep chopping and changing he centre-back pairing.
Is Steven Gerrard the reason we lost this match? Well, he played poorly and didn't help the result - there are some awful stats for him from this game but did we lose because of him. No - we lost because we conceded, early, from a set piece.... again. We then conceded more. Going behind has always been a problem for us under Rodgers, I know we've come back to draws, but we rarely win from a losing position.
You've got to look at the coaching of the defence. I know for a fact that our previous defenders could keep clean sheets. I've seen the ones we buy form part of formidable defences such as Lovren at Southampton. At what point do you question the managers coacging of certain aspects.
Johnson got slated despite most goals coming from the left) and now he's out of the team it's Gerrard and I'd argue he was not culpable for the goals either.
System errors not individuals.
we conceded from a corner and because some new kid at left back refused to close down his man for the second. The 3rd, although probably irrelevant was a mistake pushing for an equaliser at the death.
you can't blame any of that on Gerrard. the only real argument of criticism would be in an attacking sense.
At great personal expense I flew to Miami to see the two England World Cup warm up games versus Ecuador and Honduras, mainly just to watch Stevie as I knew this would probably be his international swan song. Well, he didn't play in one game and contributed absolutely nothing in the other. I left Miami thinking that if Stevie sits so deep and plays like this in Brazil then we would be returning home very early. Unfortunately, that is what happened and in his heart Stevie knew it was time to retire from international football. When he watches his performances in the league games so far this season I very much doubt he will be viewing them with pleasure..I'm very, very sorry to say that this must be Stevie's last season in a Liverpool shirt.
U cant blame gerrard specifically for any of the goals but neither he nor lucas had a foothold of the game at the early stage. It does nkt help with that keeper of ours who is getting worse by the game.
Gerrard imo should not play more than a game a week. Br needs to grow a lair and sub him if he is playing poorl
Gerrard's penalties have papered over his form over the last 18-24 months.
He has had the odd game were he was great during this time ( hatrick in the derby) but his play has been well below par not just for his high standards but even your average prem midfielder.
Is Steven Gerrard the reason we lost this match?
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He's obviously not the sole reason but he was a factor today. He only completed 82% of his passes today which is poor for a deep lying passing midfielder. He didn't make a single tackle which is bad for a player playing in that position.
The team played badly today. I'm not saying that Gerrard should never play again, I just don't think he can manage 3 games a week. You can't have passengers in a team, and unfortunately he was one today. Lucas was also poor today but he is when he's not the DM.
Defensively we were shocking in the first 20 minutes. Mignolet has no presence at the moment. His confidence is low.
Gerrard's penalties have papered over his form over the last 18-24 months.
He has had the odd game were he was great during this time ( hatrick in the derby) but his play has been well below par not just for his high standards but even your average prem midfielder.
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That's just nonsense TVJ. The penalties may paper over the fact that he doesn't score much from open play anymore but at times he was excellent last season. He also got 10 assists and while most of them were from dead ball situations an assist is an assist.
He's still a very good footballer, however he's getting on a bit and I don't think he should be starting every game, especially not 3 games in a week.
Nowhere in my article did I say Stevie was the only one to blame for today's defeat. But, as others have said, if he had been anyone else he would have been pulled off at the hour mark or earlier.
After 5 games? Listen op....forget age, what about sakho..balotelli...lovren...even sterling was quite quiet.
Lets be honest, gerrard didnt let us down anymore nthan 5 or 6 other much younger players. It will take a few more games, dont worry.
Yes GB, but I'm not basing my opinion on just 1 game. It is based on his steady decline since the Chelsea game last season.
Tenn..fair enough, but take last season as a whole; gerrard was one of the leagues BEST at his role, yet 5 games in hes shot? Sorry thats short term thinking.
Hes hes not what he was, but imo its more a team problem than a gerrard problem.
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I think the point is we all agree that Gerrard can play a part but can't play 3 games in a week at 34. I think you have to ask why was he then. I'm not looking for an inquest but the club as a whole from playing staff to coaching needs to do a bit better. I suspect Dr Peters may well be needed as well!
Gerrard cannot play the holding role. Not now. Not ever. Poncing about hitting a few switches, looking for a hero ball and trotting up to take free kicks and corners is not what Liverpool need.
We play better when the passing is short and crisp, meaning players are closer to each other moving up and down as a unit. But most of all, without the ball with Gerrard on the pitch we are horrendous. How many goals do we concede because the midfield is just empty. Today's 3rd goal was a joke. Yes, it was a shocking header from Sakho but where was Gerrard? Same on Tuesday. Where was he when the ball broke? The quicker he retires the better off we will be because he is holding us back. His time is now up
I suspect its as simple as injuries, new players and getting used to no suarez.
Bungee9 (U12983)
No offence but I hate comments like that. So did Gerrard place himself in the holding role (don't agree with your assessment at all but that's by the by) and does he keep picking himself? He's an employee and I fail to understand why lots of people can'r get this when it comes to slating players.
Was really poor tonight, I worry it could be the beginnin of the end now but it would be foolish to write him off just yet.
It's too easy to single out one player. Frankly, a past his best Gerrard is still a class above some of the dross from the other players this season. Since Suarez has left the players who were progressing like Cout and Sterling have failed to step up and some of the new signings so far look bang average.
Very worried at the moment.
The beginning of the end was last season but I wouldn't have anyone else in this squad take the peno midweek to get us three points and it wouldn't surprise me one bit to see him hit a goal against Everton.
I actually think he is ill disciplined and he always has been. Rafa knew this. So did Capello. They never trusted him to play the disciplined holding CM for good reason. But the name Gerrard is huge and Rodgers needs to grow a pair and start managing properly rather than just hoping for a bit of magic and hopefully scoring 3 goals per game. Last year we weren't fab at defending and I really think many goals come from lack of numbers in CM.
But it is absence of any energy and pressing where we suffer the most. And as the main CM pivot he should be the key player instigating the press.
They never trusted him to play the disciplined holding CM for good reason.
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Because he scored lots and effected the game inthe final third?
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posted on 20/9/14
Nothing but respect for Stevie G. for his service to both Club and Country, but realistically they'll have to drag him off the pitch by all four limbs before he'll retire. I think he's one of those footballers that simply will not retire based on his form. For better or worse, he'll be a dipper till he's 38-39. Looks like worse. I will not LAL on this post, simply out of respect for this man. Phatckt.
posted on 20/9/14
Eoro Cup Final Midfields
77 - Case, Callaghan, McDermott, Kennedy
78 - Case, McDermott, Souness, Kennedy
81 - Lee, McDermott, Souness, Kennedy
84 - Lee, Johnston, Souness, Whelan
05 - Garcia, Gerrard, Alonso, Riise
There were no passengers in any of those midfields. No players whom we had to surround with players who can run.
posted on 20/9/14
Pirlo needs players around him who do the running
he's a complete non-entity getting forward or in defence
posted on 20/9/14
comment by Robbing_Hoody - Here, have some goals. You don't have to work for them. They're a gift. That's what we do now. (U6374)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by FatJanMolby *I'm a boogie monster* (U4297)
posted 8 minutes ago
He didn't have to play today. Lucas could have been our DM, Henderson and Lallana. Gerrard is a legend but BR needs to manage him better.
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I guess but I don't knwo about Lallana's finess and there are different roles and so on. I'm more disappointed that he changed the CB's again.
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Second half we played Lallana further up with Henderson and Gerrard deeper. Lucas could have played Gerard's role. Markovic could have been brought on if Lallana tired. The point is we did have options.
I was also disappointed we changed it at the back. Continuity is key in defence and there was no reason to bring in Skrtel today. We can't keep chopping and changing he centre-back pairing.
posted on 20/9/14
Is Steven Gerrard the reason we lost this match? Well, he played poorly and didn't help the result - there are some awful stats for him from this game but did we lose because of him. No - we lost because we conceded, early, from a set piece.... again. We then conceded more. Going behind has always been a problem for us under Rodgers, I know we've come back to draws, but we rarely win from a losing position.
You've got to look at the coaching of the defence. I know for a fact that our previous defenders could keep clean sheets. I've seen the ones we buy form part of formidable defences such as Lovren at Southampton. At what point do you question the managers coacging of certain aspects.
Johnson got slated despite most goals coming from the left) and now he's out of the team it's Gerrard and I'd argue he was not culpable for the goals either.
System errors not individuals.
posted on 20/9/14
we conceded from a corner and because some new kid at left back refused to close down his man for the second. The 3rd, although probably irrelevant was a mistake pushing for an equaliser at the death.
you can't blame any of that on Gerrard. the only real argument of criticism would be in an attacking sense.
posted on 20/9/14
At great personal expense I flew to Miami to see the two England World Cup warm up games versus Ecuador and Honduras, mainly just to watch Stevie as I knew this would probably be his international swan song. Well, he didn't play in one game and contributed absolutely nothing in the other. I left Miami thinking that if Stevie sits so deep and plays like this in Brazil then we would be returning home very early. Unfortunately, that is what happened and in his heart Stevie knew it was time to retire from international football. When he watches his performances in the league games so far this season I very much doubt he will be viewing them with pleasure..I'm very, very sorry to say that this must be Stevie's last season in a Liverpool shirt.
posted on 20/9/14
U cant blame gerrard specifically for any of the goals but neither he nor lucas had a foothold of the game at the early stage. It does nkt help with that keeper of ours who is getting worse by the game.
Gerrard imo should not play more than a game a week. Br needs to grow a lair and sub him if he is playing poorl
posted on 20/9/14
Gerrard's penalties have papered over his form over the last 18-24 months.
He has had the odd game were he was great during this time ( hatrick in the derby) but his play has been well below par not just for his high standards but even your average prem midfielder.
posted on 20/9/14
Is Steven Gerrard the reason we lost this match?
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He's obviously not the sole reason but he was a factor today. He only completed 82% of his passes today which is poor for a deep lying passing midfielder. He didn't make a single tackle which is bad for a player playing in that position.
The team played badly today. I'm not saying that Gerrard should never play again, I just don't think he can manage 3 games a week. You can't have passengers in a team, and unfortunately he was one today. Lucas was also poor today but he is when he's not the DM.
Defensively we were shocking in the first 20 minutes. Mignolet has no presence at the moment. His confidence is low.
posted on 20/9/14
Gerrard's penalties have papered over his form over the last 18-24 months.
He has had the odd game were he was great during this time ( hatrick in the derby) but his play has been well below par not just for his high standards but even your average prem midfielder.
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That's just nonsense TVJ. The penalties may paper over the fact that he doesn't score much from open play anymore but at times he was excellent last season. He also got 10 assists and while most of them were from dead ball situations an assist is an assist.
He's still a very good footballer, however he's getting on a bit and I don't think he should be starting every game, especially not 3 games in a week.
posted on 20/9/14
Nowhere in my article did I say Stevie was the only one to blame for today's defeat. But, as others have said, if he had been anyone else he would have been pulled off at the hour mark or earlier.
posted on 20/9/14
After 5 games? Listen op....forget age, what about sakho..balotelli...lovren...even sterling was quite quiet.
Lets be honest, gerrard didnt let us down anymore nthan 5 or 6 other much younger players. It will take a few more games, dont worry.
posted on 20/9/14
Yes GB, but I'm not basing my opinion on just 1 game. It is based on his steady decline since the Chelsea game last season.
posted on 20/9/14
Tenn..fair enough, but take last season as a whole; gerrard was one of the leagues BEST at his role, yet 5 games in hes shot? Sorry thats short term thinking.
Hes hes not what he was, but imo its more a team problem than a gerrard problem.
posted on 20/9/14
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posted on 20/9/14
I think the point is we all agree that Gerrard can play a part but can't play 3 games in a week at 34. I think you have to ask why was he then. I'm not looking for an inquest but the club as a whole from playing staff to coaching needs to do a bit better. I suspect Dr Peters may well be needed as well!
posted on 20/9/14
Gerrard cannot play the holding role. Not now. Not ever. Poncing about hitting a few switches, looking for a hero ball and trotting up to take free kicks and corners is not what Liverpool need.
We play better when the passing is short and crisp, meaning players are closer to each other moving up and down as a unit. But most of all, without the ball with Gerrard on the pitch we are horrendous. How many goals do we concede because the midfield is just empty. Today's 3rd goal was a joke. Yes, it was a shocking header from Sakho but where was Gerrard? Same on Tuesday. Where was he when the ball broke? The quicker he retires the better off we will be because he is holding us back. His time is now up
posted on 20/9/14
I suspect its as simple as injuries, new players and getting used to no suarez.
posted on 20/9/14
Bungee9 (U12983)
No offence but I hate comments like that. So did Gerrard place himself in the holding role (don't agree with your assessment at all but that's by the by) and does he keep picking himself? He's an employee and I fail to understand why lots of people can'r get this when it comes to slating players.
posted on 20/9/14
Was really poor tonight, I worry it could be the beginnin of the end now but it would be foolish to write him off just yet.
posted on 20/9/14
It's too easy to single out one player. Frankly, a past his best Gerrard is still a class above some of the dross from the other players this season. Since Suarez has left the players who were progressing like Cout and Sterling have failed to step up and some of the new signings so far look bang average.
Very worried at the moment.
posted on 20/9/14
The beginning of the end was last season but I wouldn't have anyone else in this squad take the peno midweek to get us three points and it wouldn't surprise me one bit to see him hit a goal against Everton.
posted on 20/9/14
I actually think he is ill disciplined and he always has been. Rafa knew this. So did Capello. They never trusted him to play the disciplined holding CM for good reason. But the name Gerrard is huge and Rodgers needs to grow a pair and start managing properly rather than just hoping for a bit of magic and hopefully scoring 3 goals per game. Last year we weren't fab at defending and I really think many goals come from lack of numbers in CM.
But it is absence of any energy and pressing where we suffer the most. And as the main CM pivot he should be the key player instigating the press.
posted on 20/9/14
They never trusted him to play the disciplined holding CM for good reason.
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Because he scored lots and effected the game inthe final third?
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