We needed a short term splurge because Fergie neglected a couple of positions and we still had to effectively replace Giggs and Scholes, along with Vidic Rio and Evra
We've spent a chit load sorting some of it but not all yet.
We still need a combative midfielder and top drawer CB that can lead the defence and 7 more strikers
all that will be for nothing, if players are not on the same page.
some are shying away from taking responsibilities. just cos you're not captain, doesn't mean, you can't lead!
and just doing the basics, keeping composure, using the head!
you know you can't pass a ball, and leave your teammate dead in the water. need 100% concentration all times.
all this can be driven into a player. whether they have great talent or not.
Once the Team is switched on, then everything else will follow..
First and foremost Utd need a good manager.
There is some really...selective views of history going on today.
United are short in some areas that still need money spent on them. Part of the reason for that is ferguson himself spent a fair amount of money in the last few years of his tenure on players that weren't/aren't good enough.
I don't think they are as far away as others do though, if they are then Van Gaal should get as much criticism as Moyes did to be honest, if not more.
I don't think they are as far away as others do though, if they are then Van Gaal should get as much criticism as Moyes did to be honest, if not more.
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Agreed Melts
No matter what anyone says, Pearson out thought him tactically at the weekend. particularly in the second half
LVG has had a terrible start so far. It needs to improve and fast
Agreed Macca, I watched the full game on Monday and I get the ref had some shockers, leicester were cutting through at will at times though.
In terms of this money needing to be spent, I get that and what lvg is saying. However, with what he currently has at his disposal, that should be more than enough to get top four. If not, them he hasn't spent the money in the right place. Shaw and rojo for left back seems overkill for example if there is gaps elsewhere. He said when he came he had 5 number 10s and 4 number 9s or whatever it was, and then gets di Maria and Falcao. Why not a central midfielder rather than the latter if he had already identified the squad was unbalanced?
There's a few things that just don't quite make sense to me at the mo in terms of the order of doing things.
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 2 minutes ago
Agreed Macca, I watched the full game on Monday and I get the ref had some shockers, leicester were cutting through at will at times though.
In terms of this money needing to be spent, I get that and what lvg is saying. However, with what he currently has at his disposal, that should be more than enough to get top four. If not, them he hasn't spent the money in the right place. Shaw and rojo for left back seems overkill for example if there is gaps elsewhere. He said when he came he had 5 number 10s and 4 number 9s or whatever it was, and then gets di Maria and Falcao. Why not a central midfielder rather than the latter if he had already identified the squad was unbalanced?
There's a few things that just don't quite make sense to me at the mo in terms of the order of doing things.
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I kinda agree melts
I couldn't really comment on Blind or Rojo when we signed them. Ive hardly seen them play
Herrera and Dimaria are two good signings though
Shaw is still debatable but I personally think he should be our LB now.
When he took over, there were issues to address but I do not believe for a second we needed up to 300, spending on the squad. We were not that broke ffs
Yet we still need another 2 top class players bare minimum (CM and CB) and probably a back up RB too not to mention we will have the fee to pay for Falcao is he proves a hit
That's the best part of another 100 million.
I'm not saying they aren't good signings, just that I don't get the logic of if there are gaps in the squad there, surely the benefit is in filling those before improving on others.
We should sign up Tony Pulis to bring some defensive organisation to our team
I don't rate moyes, but even him would've done better with this squad of players. Come christmas if our results are still inconsistent, LVG will get what is coming to him. He should first start by standing up and motivating the players when the chips are down.
Also, well said on the spending op. Absolutely ridiculous to still be barking on about Ferguson. Since he has left, we have had three farking transfer windows to sort whatever mess people say he left. Spent more than 200m pounds, we still can't beat the likes of Leicester.
This squad we currently have should be challenging top 3.
I do not know what these people have said as obviously, over here we don't get your media. However, spending 200 million euros on new players and not buying a defender is a mortal sin. You have an unbalanced team with no real playing philosophy. Got canned the other day for saying Mata was too slow but we saw the reality of that against Leicester.
Di Maria will be your saviour but you should have made bids for various centre backs and a right back. It's just poor.
I have said it time and time again that Juan Mata for me gets too much praise around here. If you are all into stats, then he is your man. However, for the fee paid for him the lad needs to do much more. He might be more talented than Rooney as a number 10, however Rooney is more effective there. To this day don't know why we bought him.
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United we win
Is it your aim to just talk as much bollox on here as you can every day?
Nobody has suggested lvg needs to go whatsoever
What he does need to do us up his game because as yet, he's been pretty terrible. Far worse than moyes was at the start of his tenure and moyes hadn't added 170 mill worth of new players
No point pretending otherwise. To date, lvg has been gash in terms of tactics and formations seen on the pitch considering he's spent as much as he has
We've been utterly embarrassed twice now in 6 games against far inferior opposition
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 3 hours, 38 minutes ago
I'm not saying they aren't good signings, just that I don't get the logic of if there are gaps in the squad there, surely the benefit is in filling those before improving on others.
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He sorta did try and fill the gaps melts but for me, we are still short in defence despite him buying 2 defenders and a third that can play there in Blind.
"Man Utd are a club that have household names - Ronaldo, van Nistelrooy etc but those players made themselves at United more than came to the club already made. Purchasing one or two a window is good for the club but what is being proposed by some of these pundits is preposterous in my opinion. Tell me I'm wrong when United fans would point the finger at City when they bought a a team of world beaters."
Who had paid any attention the likes of Vincent Kompany or Pablo Zabaleta before they joined City? Even Yaya Toure has had the best years of his career here.
United's academy hasn't produced a world class player since Paul Scholes, they have had an abundance of academy graduates that have served the club well and been good for the squad - eg Danny Welbeck, Darren Fletcher, but these players aren't anywhere near good enough to build a team around, so you buy players in. It's quite simple.
What United need right now is stability in the starting XI particularly at the back. The standard experts like...er....Robbie Savage writing off our defence. In truth Jones, Smalling and Evans all need to step up but have failed to do so due to injury. theres a decent partnership in there if they can stay fit and form a relationship like all good centre back pairings. Playing with a different back four every week will be a nightmare even with class defenders. You simply cant chop and change so much. Just need a bit of luck for them to avoid injury and settle down.
Need to remember this is practically a new team now. it needs TIME.
comment by Royalsmokin999uk (U5762)
posted 4 hours, 29 minutes ago
What United need right now is stability in the starting XI particularly at the back. The standard experts like...er....Robbie Savage writing off our defence. In truth Jones, Smalling and Evans all need to step up but have failed to do so due to injury. theres a decent partnership in there if they can stay fit and form a relationship like all good centre back pairings. Playing with a different back four every week will be a nightmare even with class defenders. You simply cant chop and change so much. Just need a bit of luck for them to avoid injury and settle down.
Need to remember this is practically a new team now. it needs TIME.
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Time is indeed a healer. I want to see the team marinade for a bit, rely on itself not constantly looking elsewhere for the fixes. This is what pains me, Man United are a team that has always given 110% on the pitch and has relied on players that aren't bought from other clubs for huge fees. It is early days which is why time should be granted for the team. Spending more and more is not the answer.
It is early days which is why time should be granted for the team. Spending more and more is not the answer.
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Sadly, it is
We need at least 2 new defenders including 1 top class CB with a good injury record and a decent backup RB
We also need and combative DM for situations such as the second half against Leicester
As good as Blind and Herrera are/could be, we are still back to Fletch and Fellaini if they get injured depending on Carrick's fitness
The core of a Manchester United team for decades has been a homegrown contingent.
________________
Stopped reading there. This simply isn't true and people should stop saying it. Take the class of 92 out of the equation and you are simply left with nothing to back up this statement. At all.
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posted on 23/9/14
We needed a short term splurge because Fergie neglected a couple of positions and we still had to effectively replace Giggs and Scholes, along with Vidic Rio and Evra
We've spent a chit load sorting some of it but not all yet.
We still need a combative midfielder and top drawer CB that can lead the defence and 7 more strikers
posted on 23/9/14
all that will be for nothing, if players are not on the same page.
some are shying away from taking responsibilities. just cos you're not captain, doesn't mean, you can't lead!
and just doing the basics, keeping composure, using the head!
you know you can't pass a ball, and leave your teammate dead in the water. need 100% concentration all times.
all this can be driven into a player. whether they have great talent or not.
Once the Team is switched on, then everything else will follow..
posted on 23/9/14
First and foremost Utd need a good manager.
posted on 23/9/14
There is some really...selective views of history going on today.
United are short in some areas that still need money spent on them. Part of the reason for that is ferguson himself spent a fair amount of money in the last few years of his tenure on players that weren't/aren't good enough.
I don't think they are as far away as others do though, if they are then Van Gaal should get as much criticism as Moyes did to be honest, if not more.
posted on 23/9/14
I don't think they are as far away as others do though, if they are then Van Gaal should get as much criticism as Moyes did to be honest, if not more.
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Agreed Melts
No matter what anyone says, Pearson out thought him tactically at the weekend. particularly in the second half
LVG has had a terrible start so far. It needs to improve and fast
posted on 23/9/14
Agreed Macca, I watched the full game on Monday and I get the ref had some shockers, leicester were cutting through at will at times though.
In terms of this money needing to be spent, I get that and what lvg is saying. However, with what he currently has at his disposal, that should be more than enough to get top four. If not, them he hasn't spent the money in the right place. Shaw and rojo for left back seems overkill for example if there is gaps elsewhere. He said when he came he had 5 number 10s and 4 number 9s or whatever it was, and then gets di Maria and Falcao. Why not a central midfielder rather than the latter if he had already identified the squad was unbalanced?
There's a few things that just don't quite make sense to me at the mo in terms of the order of doing things.
posted on 23/9/14
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 2 minutes ago
Agreed Macca, I watched the full game on Monday and I get the ref had some shockers, leicester were cutting through at will at times though.
In terms of this money needing to be spent, I get that and what lvg is saying. However, with what he currently has at his disposal, that should be more than enough to get top four. If not, them he hasn't spent the money in the right place. Shaw and rojo for left back seems overkill for example if there is gaps elsewhere. He said when he came he had 5 number 10s and 4 number 9s or whatever it was, and then gets di Maria and Falcao. Why not a central midfielder rather than the latter if he had already identified the squad was unbalanced?
There's a few things that just don't quite make sense to me at the mo in terms of the order of doing things.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I kinda agree melts
I couldn't really comment on Blind or Rojo when we signed them. Ive hardly seen them play
Herrera and Dimaria are two good signings though
Shaw is still debatable but I personally think he should be our LB now.
When he took over, there were issues to address but I do not believe for a second we needed up to 300, spending on the squad. We were not that broke ffs
Yet we still need another 2 top class players bare minimum (CM and CB) and probably a back up RB too not to mention we will have the fee to pay for Falcao is he proves a hit
That's the best part of another 100 million.
posted on 23/9/14
I'm not saying they aren't good signings, just that I don't get the logic of if there are gaps in the squad there, surely the benefit is in filling those before improving on others.
posted on 23/9/14
We should sign up Tony Pulis to bring some defensive organisation to our team
posted on 23/9/14
I don't rate moyes, but even him would've done better with this squad of players. Come christmas if our results are still inconsistent, LVG will get what is coming to him. He should first start by standing up and motivating the players when the chips are down.
Also, well said on the spending op. Absolutely ridiculous to still be barking on about Ferguson. Since he has left, we have had three farking transfer windows to sort whatever mess people say he left. Spent more than 200m pounds, we still can't beat the likes of Leicester.
This squad we currently have should be challenging top 3.
posted on 23/9/14
I do not know what these people have said as obviously, over here we don't get your media. However, spending 200 million euros on new players and not buying a defender is a mortal sin. You have an unbalanced team with no real playing philosophy. Got canned the other day for saying Mata was too slow but we saw the reality of that against Leicester.
Di Maria will be your saviour but you should have made bids for various centre backs and a right back. It's just poor.
posted on 23/9/14
I have said it time and time again that Juan Mata for me gets too much praise around here. If you are all into stats, then he is your man. However, for the fee paid for him the lad needs to do much more. He might be more talented than Rooney as a number 10, however Rooney is more effective there. To this day don't know why we bought him.
posted on 23/9/14
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posted on 23/9/14
United we win
Is it your aim to just talk as much bollox on here as you can every day?
Nobody has suggested lvg needs to go whatsoever
What he does need to do us up his game because as yet, he's been pretty terrible. Far worse than moyes was at the start of his tenure and moyes hadn't added 170 mill worth of new players
No point pretending otherwise. To date, lvg has been gash in terms of tactics and formations seen on the pitch considering he's spent as much as he has
We've been utterly embarrassed twice now in 6 games against far inferior opposition
posted on 23/9/14
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 3 hours, 38 minutes ago
I'm not saying they aren't good signings, just that I don't get the logic of if there are gaps in the squad there, surely the benefit is in filling those before improving on others.
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He sorta did try and fill the gaps melts but for me, we are still short in defence despite him buying 2 defenders and a third that can play there in Blind.
posted on 23/9/14
Agreed Macca
posted on 23/9/14
"Man Utd are a club that have household names - Ronaldo, van Nistelrooy etc but those players made themselves at United more than came to the club already made. Purchasing one or two a window is good for the club but what is being proposed by some of these pundits is preposterous in my opinion. Tell me I'm wrong when United fans would point the finger at City when they bought a a team of world beaters."
Who had paid any attention the likes of Vincent Kompany or Pablo Zabaleta before they joined City? Even Yaya Toure has had the best years of his career here.
United's academy hasn't produced a world class player since Paul Scholes, they have had an abundance of academy graduates that have served the club well and been good for the squad - eg Danny Welbeck, Darren Fletcher, but these players aren't anywhere near good enough to build a team around, so you buy players in. It's quite simple.
posted on 24/9/14
What United need right now is stability in the starting XI particularly at the back. The standard experts like...er....Robbie Savage writing off our defence. In truth Jones, Smalling and Evans all need to step up but have failed to do so due to injury. theres a decent partnership in there if they can stay fit and form a relationship like all good centre back pairings. Playing with a different back four every week will be a nightmare even with class defenders. You simply cant chop and change so much. Just need a bit of luck for them to avoid injury and settle down.
Need to remember this is practically a new team now. it needs TIME.
posted on 24/9/14
comment by Royalsmokin999uk (U5762)
posted 4 hours, 29 minutes ago
What United need right now is stability in the starting XI particularly at the back. The standard experts like...er....Robbie Savage writing off our defence. In truth Jones, Smalling and Evans all need to step up but have failed to do so due to injury. theres a decent partnership in there if they can stay fit and form a relationship like all good centre back pairings. Playing with a different back four every week will be a nightmare even with class defenders. You simply cant chop and change so much. Just need a bit of luck for them to avoid injury and settle down.
Need to remember this is practically a new team now. it needs TIME.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Time is indeed a healer. I want to see the team marinade for a bit, rely on itself not constantly looking elsewhere for the fixes. This is what pains me, Man United are a team that has always given 110% on the pitch and has relied on players that aren't bought from other clubs for huge fees. It is early days which is why time should be granted for the team. Spending more and more is not the answer.
posted on 24/9/14
It is early days which is why time should be granted for the team. Spending more and more is not the answer.
------------------------
Sadly, it is
We need at least 2 new defenders including 1 top class CB with a good injury record and a decent backup RB
We also need and combative DM for situations such as the second half against Leicester
As good as Blind and Herrera are/could be, we are still back to Fletch and Fellaini if they get injured depending on Carrick's fitness
posted on 25/9/14
The core of a Manchester United team for decades has been a homegrown contingent.
________________
Stopped reading there. This simply isn't true and people should stop saying it. Take the class of 92 out of the equation and you are simply left with nothing to back up this statement. At all.
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