The irony being that he then claims Simeone is the man to take them forward when he's the antithesis of what City are trying to build.
Begiristain was the man that turned down Mourinho and appointed Pep because of their playing styles.
Highly unlikely they'd sack Pelegrini and then hire the Argentine Mourinho when you actually think about it.
Obviously people missed the point of this article.
City winning the league after what they spent over the past few years is the minimum target. What their owners want is CL success and this group while not easy had a very very easy team in it - CSKA.
Pellegrini IMO is not the man to bring them CL success because tactically he is not up to it in Europe. He plays a FAR too open game and they have suffered for it. If he shows he can change and be a bit more tactically 'safe' then maybe next season they can go further but all i'm saying with this article is that for City and the vast money they've spent they'll see this season as a failure because they're out of the league cup, pretty much out of Europe, won't win the league and the FA cup is all they can hope for.
They won a very poor title race last season where Liverpool threw it away, City did their best to throw it away, Arsenal threw it away and Chelsea didn't have a striker.
Moyes comparisons have no place here because he took over an aged side who needed a massive load of work. Had he spent as much money as City had and failed of course I would have called for his head.
City's targets and United's targets at this moment of time are different.
City have the settled, finished squad. Europe is the target. United are a side in transition.
Pellegrini really needs to buck up his ideas because if City play as open as that next season then they'll suffer again in Europe and he really will be sacked.
This quote from Hart sums up why they fail in Europe...
"With the way we play, we are quite open to conceding the odd goal or two. As long as we carry on playing the way we're playing under this philosophy that we've got under the manager, we will be fine."
Pellegrini IMO is not the man to bring them CL success because tactically he is not up to it in Europe.
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Pellegrini came within minutes from taking a poor Villarreal side to a CL final
He took City out the group stages last season.
Moyes comparisons have no place here because he took over an aged side who needed a massive load of work. Had he spent as much money as City had and failed of course I would have called for his head.
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Moyes albeit had an ageing squad took over a CL winning team, spent 60m+ and took a team to 7th. SEVENTH FFS. Yet you still wanted him to stay and pellegrini gone. What fecking planet do you live on
Sorry meant Premier league winning team not CL ^
I don't even know where to start with that to be honest Robb, you have to be on the wind up.
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 2 minutes ago
Pellegrini IMO is not the man to bring them CL success because tactically he is not up to it in Europe.
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Pellegrini came within minutes from taking a poor Villarreal side to a CL final
He took City out the group stages last season.
Moyes comparisons have no place here because he took over an aged side who needed a massive load of work. Had he spent as much money as City had and failed of course I would have called for his head.
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Moyes albeit had an ageing squad took over a CL winning team, spent 60m+ and took a team to 7th. SEVENTH FFS. Yet you still wanted him to stay and pellegrini gone. What fecking planet do you live on
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Because the project Moyes had to embark on needed a lot of time. He had to rip up a squad and start again. IMO he was allowed a bad season if the next season meant he would get rid of as many as 10 players and start a long term rebuilding project.
It's a bit different at City. They have the completed squad. I didn't expect them to win the CL this season but to drop 5 points to an awful team and make qualification near impossible shows that the manager has failed the very minimum target possible.
If you can't see the City of this season and United of last seasons situations are completely different then i'm sorry.
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 minute ago
I don't even know where to start with that to be honest Robb, you have to be on the wind up.
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Melton, you are a good poster. let me ask you this. Do you think Pellegrini is far too open in Europe?
And if he fails next season in Europe should he get the sack?
It's a bit different at City. They have the completed squad. I didn't expect them to win the CL this season but to drop 5 points to an awful team and make qualification near impossible shows that the manager has failed the very minimum target possible.
If you can't see the City of this season and United of last seasons situations are completely different then i'm sorry.
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So basically because City haven't beaten a poor side in the CL in 2 games Pellegrini should go.
Yet Moyes had 34 games and we finished 7th in the league a season after winning the league yet Moyes Should have stayed.
You can't be serious. Surely?
With what City have spent and the players they have, what must the targets be for them?
IMO it is qualification from the group stage and quarter finals of the CL at least. Maybe i'm a bit rash to expect him sacked this season but it's safe to say that if they end up trophyless and exit the group stage this season that his job will be under pressure and next season will be his last chance.
I personally wish it wasn't that way but in this day and age with the money spent it's the way it is. I didn't want Moyes gone but evidently time waits for no man these days.
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 42 seconds ago
It's a bit different at City. They have the completed squad. I didn't expect them to win the CL this season but to drop 5 points to an awful team and make qualification near impossible shows that the manager has failed the very minimum target possible.
If you can't see the City of this season and United of last seasons situations are completely different then i'm sorry.
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So basically because City haven't beaten a poor side in the CL in 2 games Pellegrini should go.
Yet Moyes had 34 games and we finished 7th in the league a season after winning the league yet Moyes Should have stayed.
You can't be serious. Surely?
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You really don't seem to understand a simple comprehension.
Moyes took over an aged side that needed rebuilding. Of course 7th place was a disappointment but he was embarking on a long term project. We saw how LVG struggled with that squad. He dumped 10+ players. United were and still are a side in transition.
City however have a finished article squad. All playing at their peak. Qualifying from this group should have been a given. Or at least taking 6 points from an AWFUL CSKA side (without their best player last night!) should have been a given. You say it's just 2 games but it's those 2 games which were the different between qualifying or not. Pellegrini failed because his side were far too open and conceded 4 goals to a side who were battered by Roma and have barely won a game in years in Europe.
City should be in the knockouts every year without a shadow of a doubt, after the investment and time they've had to put their squad together
No Robb
My point is you create an article about how Pellegrini should go because he has failed in Europe. Forgetting he took Villarreal to a CL semi and took City out the group stages last season. He hasn't won in 2 games against a pretty poor (they aren't awful) CSKA side.
Yet Moyes took over a title winning side, a team that won the league by 11 points and finished 7th in the league. That isn't disappointing Robb that is fecking awful, dreadful. A fecking catastrophe. He changed our whole style of play, seasoned pros, top class players didn't want to play for him for some reason or another. Spent over 60m in the process. Whatever way you look at it and yes we were an ageing squad that needed overhauling but finishing that far down was simply unforgiveable yet you championed him to stay on
That is my point
Rob thinks Simeone would perfect for City, though. So he clearly doesn't know what City's objectives are.
They've done poor in the CL this season, for sure. Doesn't mean he should get the sack. Especially given how well he's done domestically.
Failure to do well, or at least compete well enough in the ko stages, next season may see him get the sack.
However, I'd be surprised seeing as he'd be in the last year of his contract and the plan was always for him to see it out.
That's unless they have a monumental failure in the league this season.
My point is you create an article about how Pellegrini should go because he has failed in Europe. Forgetting he took Villarreal to a CL semi and took City out the group stages last season. He hasn't won in 2 games against a pretty poor (they aren't awful) CSKA side.
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You keep going on about something that happened 8 years ago. One swallow does not make a summer. He took one of the most expensively assembled Real sides ever out of the CL in the second round. You don't seem to mention that?
Last season his City side were well beaten by Barca. I can accept that okay, it's Barca, let's give him another season. I can even accept a bad day at the office in Moscow. It happens in the CL. But to lose at home last night was shocking considering how bad this CSKA side are. Before the two City games they had taken 4 points in 10 CL games.
With the vast money City have spent the owners will be worried. Realistically they won't sack him but I guarantee if he doesn't get them out of their group next season he's gotta go.
They are the finished article. I really don't see whose fault it is other than the manager. Last season he showed a huge naiviety in Munich by not going for the win - he didn't even know that a win would win them the group! This season he was far too open and didn't close out the game in Moscow.
Thing about City fans is that they all don't expect much. I actually admire how down to earth a lot of them are and reckon United supporters could learn a lot from them. The City fans I know all deep down expect the carpet to be pulled underneath them at any point so they have a lassiez faire attitude to success and failure there. So they won't lobby for the manager to go and fair enough.
I'm just looking at this objectively and from the POV of the owners. I'd assume that they'd see the CL failure of this season as a backwards step and something that will get them thinking about other possible avenues if City repeat this failure again.
i wonder if yaya is this seasons tevez and ballotelli in the city dressing room
that whole brithday cake fiasco smacked of a guy wanting out. maybe pelligrini should have got rid
I feel sorry for Yaya to be fair. The death of his brother is obviously affecting him and he shouldn't be in the side until his mental wellbeing is sorted.
comment by #Robb - Fellaini's right foot. (U19350)
posted 1 minute ago
I feel sorry for Yaya to be fair. The death of his brother is obviously affecting him and he shouldn't be in the side until his mental wellbeing is sorted.
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good point rob I was forgeting about his brothers death. That happened during the world cup also so the lad probably hasnt had enough time out to mourn
Yaya is actually one of their biggest problems in Europe, in my opinion. He's one of the biggest reasons they are so open. I suppose you could level it at the manager for not fixing it so they he doesn't leave them so exposed.
But I think overall if you look at how they've done in the CL since Pel came in it's only these two games against Moscow that you'd really say has been a disaster.
They've been a bit unfortunate with decisions in both games, which doesn't help things. Think one of their goals was offside and I there was some other decisions that I can't remember.
Doesn't excuse the results, though. Four points in ten and then they take four points in two against City.
Apparently they're no mugs, though.
Why is anyone bothered about city? Enjoy a quiet chuckle and move on.
And apparently Tosic was banned from playing in the game by the UKBA
Because there is no basis in reality there. He has failed once in Europe which is this year. Previously , I thought you were someone that was also willing to allow managers at least one chance to rectify their mistakes?
We are going through a patch with sever loss of form, key players to his system missing and feeling the impact of not strengthening fully in the summer (partly due to the restrictions in place, partly due to not replacing players we should have). The squad due to that is not a finished article, it was closer last year.
Last year, we were in transition as much as Moyes was with you on the pitch. Pellegrini changed our whole way of defending and wins domestic double in his first season in charge, playing some of the best football I have seen in the process.
We are in November for gods sake. A manager doesn't even get half a season nowadays it seems, regardless of what he did last year. It's utterly ridiculous and as I said earlier in the thread, if we sack him this season, unless something catastrophically bad happens, then I'm done with football.
If he fails next year, so be it. It was always going to be a three year cycle anyway and the demands people think our owners have are different to the reality.
Melton
I agree with some of your points. You are fair on some of them. But some things I do disagree on.
I think your point about making one mistake is context. I could accept Moyes making mistakes last year because it was his first season at a big club. I rightly or wrongly thought that given time he had the capacity to learn from them.
With Pellegrini, the guy has managed big clubs before and I thought what he brought to City was experience (in Europe especially) and that he wouldn't be so open in Europe and at times play an outdated 442 formation against 5 man midfields. I have to admire his bravery but it hasn't really gotten them anywhere.
My article saying he should go isn't really based on a deep personal dislike for the guy or a need for any manager to be sacked. It was written in 'devils advocate' form on behalf of the way football is now. I think that in this day and age with what City have spent and who they dropped 5 points to that perhaps Pellegrini's time would nearly be up.
Fair enough he will probably be there next season but if he doesn't learn from his mistakes then i'm sure loads of people will accept that relatively speaking it would have been a failed experiment.
I think the problem with City is that some of their fans don't believe them to be a big club. So they don't demand more from them and that's reflected in the amount of people that go to their CL games. I genuinely think a lot of them want to go back to the days before all the money.
That might sound patronising but I genuinely don't mean it to be so. The City fans i've come across have in some ways been better supporters than a lot of United fans i've met. It's just a weird mentality there when the 'Fear' comes a calling during games.
If he fails next year, so be it. It was always going to be a three year cycle anyway and the demands people think our owners have are different to the reality.
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owners expectations are the unknown factor melton because a contract dosent mean squat if they want rid. I personally wouldnt advocate pelligrini be replaced but unfortunately thats the way of things these days.
I think the problem with City is that some of their fans don't believe them to be a big club. So they don't demand more from them and that's reflected in the amount of people that go to their CL games. I genuinely think a lot of them want to go back to the days before all the money.
That might sound patronising but I genuinely don't mean it to be so. The City fans i've come across have in some ways been better supporters than a lot of United fans i've met. It's just a weird mentality there when the 'Fear' comes a calling during games.
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That clearly shows you don't live in or anywhere near Manchester. I live in a header which is a big city area (unfortunately) and have quite a lot of City mates. The last 3 seasons or so they have been as arrogant as you can get. Like most football fans Tbf when they are at the top. They feel they have a God given right to win most of their games now. Last night for example booing their players off the pitch just because they are going through a rough patch.
They are the same as any other sets off supporters who have had a bit of success. Don't give me that nonsense about they are better than United supporters. Our supporters just look worse because we have 2 to 3 times as many fans therefore more idiots
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posted on 6/11/14
The irony being that he then claims Simeone is the man to take them forward when he's the antithesis of what City are trying to build.
Begiristain was the man that turned down Mourinho and appointed Pep because of their playing styles.
Highly unlikely they'd sack Pelegrini and then hire the Argentine Mourinho when you actually think about it.
posted on 6/11/14
Obviously people missed the point of this article.
City winning the league after what they spent over the past few years is the minimum target. What their owners want is CL success and this group while not easy had a very very easy team in it - CSKA.
Pellegrini IMO is not the man to bring them CL success because tactically he is not up to it in Europe. He plays a FAR too open game and they have suffered for it. If he shows he can change and be a bit more tactically 'safe' then maybe next season they can go further but all i'm saying with this article is that for City and the vast money they've spent they'll see this season as a failure because they're out of the league cup, pretty much out of Europe, won't win the league and the FA cup is all they can hope for.
They won a very poor title race last season where Liverpool threw it away, City did their best to throw it away, Arsenal threw it away and Chelsea didn't have a striker.
Moyes comparisons have no place here because he took over an aged side who needed a massive load of work. Had he spent as much money as City had and failed of course I would have called for his head.
City's targets and United's targets at this moment of time are different.
City have the settled, finished squad. Europe is the target. United are a side in transition.
Pellegrini really needs to buck up his ideas because if City play as open as that next season then they'll suffer again in Europe and he really will be sacked.
This quote from Hart sums up why they fail in Europe...
"With the way we play, we are quite open to conceding the odd goal or two. As long as we carry on playing the way we're playing under this philosophy that we've got under the manager, we will be fine."
posted on 6/11/14
Pellegrini IMO is not the man to bring them CL success because tactically he is not up to it in Europe.
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Pellegrini came within minutes from taking a poor Villarreal side to a CL final
He took City out the group stages last season.
Moyes comparisons have no place here because he took over an aged side who needed a massive load of work. Had he spent as much money as City had and failed of course I would have called for his head.
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Moyes albeit had an ageing squad took over a CL winning team, spent 60m+ and took a team to 7th. SEVENTH FFS. Yet you still wanted him to stay and pellegrini gone. What fecking planet do you live on
posted on 6/11/14
Sorry meant Premier league winning team not CL ^
posted on 6/11/14
I don't even know where to start with that to be honest Robb, you have to be on the wind up.
posted on 6/11/14
posted on 6/11/14
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 2 minutes ago
Pellegrini IMO is not the man to bring them CL success because tactically he is not up to it in Europe.
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Pellegrini came within minutes from taking a poor Villarreal side to a CL final
He took City out the group stages last season.
Moyes comparisons have no place here because he took over an aged side who needed a massive load of work. Had he spent as much money as City had and failed of course I would have called for his head.
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Moyes albeit had an ageing squad took over a CL winning team, spent 60m+ and took a team to 7th. SEVENTH FFS. Yet you still wanted him to stay and pellegrini gone. What fecking planet do you live on
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Because the project Moyes had to embark on needed a lot of time. He had to rip up a squad and start again. IMO he was allowed a bad season if the next season meant he would get rid of as many as 10 players and start a long term rebuilding project.
It's a bit different at City. They have the completed squad. I didn't expect them to win the CL this season but to drop 5 points to an awful team and make qualification near impossible shows that the manager has failed the very minimum target possible.
If you can't see the City of this season and United of last seasons situations are completely different then i'm sorry.
posted on 6/11/14
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 minute ago
I don't even know where to start with that to be honest Robb, you have to be on the wind up.
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Melton, you are a good poster. let me ask you this. Do you think Pellegrini is far too open in Europe?
And if he fails next season in Europe should he get the sack?
posted on 6/11/14
It's a bit different at City. They have the completed squad. I didn't expect them to win the CL this season but to drop 5 points to an awful team and make qualification near impossible shows that the manager has failed the very minimum target possible.
If you can't see the City of this season and United of last seasons situations are completely different then i'm sorry.
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So basically because City haven't beaten a poor side in the CL in 2 games Pellegrini should go.
Yet Moyes had 34 games and we finished 7th in the league a season after winning the league yet Moyes Should have stayed.
You can't be serious. Surely?
posted on 6/11/14
With what City have spent and the players they have, what must the targets be for them?
IMO it is qualification from the group stage and quarter finals of the CL at least. Maybe i'm a bit rash to expect him sacked this season but it's safe to say that if they end up trophyless and exit the group stage this season that his job will be under pressure and next season will be his last chance.
I personally wish it wasn't that way but in this day and age with the money spent it's the way it is. I didn't want Moyes gone but evidently time waits for no man these days.
posted on 6/11/14
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 42 seconds ago
It's a bit different at City. They have the completed squad. I didn't expect them to win the CL this season but to drop 5 points to an awful team and make qualification near impossible shows that the manager has failed the very minimum target possible.
If you can't see the City of this season and United of last seasons situations are completely different then i'm sorry.
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So basically because City haven't beaten a poor side in the CL in 2 games Pellegrini should go.
Yet Moyes had 34 games and we finished 7th in the league a season after winning the league yet Moyes Should have stayed.
You can't be serious. Surely?
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You really don't seem to understand a simple comprehension.
Moyes took over an aged side that needed rebuilding. Of course 7th place was a disappointment but he was embarking on a long term project. We saw how LVG struggled with that squad. He dumped 10+ players. United were and still are a side in transition.
City however have a finished article squad. All playing at their peak. Qualifying from this group should have been a given. Or at least taking 6 points from an AWFUL CSKA side (without their best player last night!) should have been a given. You say it's just 2 games but it's those 2 games which were the different between qualifying or not. Pellegrini failed because his side were far too open and conceded 4 goals to a side who were battered by Roma and have barely won a game in years in Europe.
posted on 6/11/14
City should be in the knockouts every year without a shadow of a doubt, after the investment and time they've had to put their squad together
posted on 6/11/14
No Robb
My point is you create an article about how Pellegrini should go because he has failed in Europe. Forgetting he took Villarreal to a CL semi and took City out the group stages last season. He hasn't won in 2 games against a pretty poor (they aren't awful) CSKA side.
Yet Moyes took over a title winning side, a team that won the league by 11 points and finished 7th in the league. That isn't disappointing Robb that is fecking awful, dreadful. A fecking catastrophe. He changed our whole style of play, seasoned pros, top class players didn't want to play for him for some reason or another. Spent over 60m in the process. Whatever way you look at it and yes we were an ageing squad that needed overhauling but finishing that far down was simply unforgiveable yet you championed him to stay on
That is my point
posted on 6/11/14
Rob thinks Simeone would perfect for City, though. So he clearly doesn't know what City's objectives are.
They've done poor in the CL this season, for sure. Doesn't mean he should get the sack. Especially given how well he's done domestically.
Failure to do well, or at least compete well enough in the ko stages, next season may see him get the sack.
However, I'd be surprised seeing as he'd be in the last year of his contract and the plan was always for him to see it out.
That's unless they have a monumental failure in the league this season.
posted on 6/11/14
My point is you create an article about how Pellegrini should go because he has failed in Europe. Forgetting he took Villarreal to a CL semi and took City out the group stages last season. He hasn't won in 2 games against a pretty poor (they aren't awful) CSKA side.
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You keep going on about something that happened 8 years ago. One swallow does not make a summer. He took one of the most expensively assembled Real sides ever out of the CL in the second round. You don't seem to mention that?
Last season his City side were well beaten by Barca. I can accept that okay, it's Barca, let's give him another season. I can even accept a bad day at the office in Moscow. It happens in the CL. But to lose at home last night was shocking considering how bad this CSKA side are. Before the two City games they had taken 4 points in 10 CL games.
With the vast money City have spent the owners will be worried. Realistically they won't sack him but I guarantee if he doesn't get them out of their group next season he's gotta go.
They are the finished article. I really don't see whose fault it is other than the manager. Last season he showed a huge naiviety in Munich by not going for the win - he didn't even know that a win would win them the group! This season he was far too open and didn't close out the game in Moscow.
Thing about City fans is that they all don't expect much. I actually admire how down to earth a lot of them are and reckon United supporters could learn a lot from them. The City fans I know all deep down expect the carpet to be pulled underneath them at any point so they have a lassiez faire attitude to success and failure there. So they won't lobby for the manager to go and fair enough.
I'm just looking at this objectively and from the POV of the owners. I'd assume that they'd see the CL failure of this season as a backwards step and something that will get them thinking about other possible avenues if City repeat this failure again.
posted on 6/11/14
i wonder if yaya is this seasons tevez and ballotelli in the city dressing room
that whole brithday cake fiasco smacked of a guy wanting out. maybe pelligrini should have got rid
posted on 6/11/14
I feel sorry for Yaya to be fair. The death of his brother is obviously affecting him and he shouldn't be in the side until his mental wellbeing is sorted.
posted on 6/11/14
comment by #Robb - Fellaini's right foot. (U19350)
posted 1 minute ago
I feel sorry for Yaya to be fair. The death of his brother is obviously affecting him and he shouldn't be in the side until his mental wellbeing is sorted.
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good point rob I was forgeting about his brothers death. That happened during the world cup also so the lad probably hasnt had enough time out to mourn
posted on 6/11/14
Yaya is actually one of their biggest problems in Europe, in my opinion. He's one of the biggest reasons they are so open. I suppose you could level it at the manager for not fixing it so they he doesn't leave them so exposed.
But I think overall if you look at how they've done in the CL since Pel came in it's only these two games against Moscow that you'd really say has been a disaster.
They've been a bit unfortunate with decisions in both games, which doesn't help things. Think one of their goals was offside and I there was some other decisions that I can't remember.
Doesn't excuse the results, though. Four points in ten and then they take four points in two against City.
Apparently they're no mugs, though.
posted on 6/11/14
Why is anyone bothered about city? Enjoy a quiet chuckle and move on.
posted on 6/11/14
And apparently Tosic was banned from playing in the game by the UKBA
posted on 6/11/14
Because there is no basis in reality there. He has failed once in Europe which is this year. Previously , I thought you were someone that was also willing to allow managers at least one chance to rectify their mistakes?
We are going through a patch with sever loss of form, key players to his system missing and feeling the impact of not strengthening fully in the summer (partly due to the restrictions in place, partly due to not replacing players we should have). The squad due to that is not a finished article, it was closer last year.
Last year, we were in transition as much as Moyes was with you on the pitch. Pellegrini changed our whole way of defending and wins domestic double in his first season in charge, playing some of the best football I have seen in the process.
We are in November for gods sake. A manager doesn't even get half a season nowadays it seems, regardless of what he did last year. It's utterly ridiculous and as I said earlier in the thread, if we sack him this season, unless something catastrophically bad happens, then I'm done with football.
If he fails next year, so be it. It was always going to be a three year cycle anyway and the demands people think our owners have are different to the reality.
posted on 6/11/14
Melton
I agree with some of your points. You are fair on some of them. But some things I do disagree on.
I think your point about making one mistake is context. I could accept Moyes making mistakes last year because it was his first season at a big club. I rightly or wrongly thought that given time he had the capacity to learn from them.
With Pellegrini, the guy has managed big clubs before and I thought what he brought to City was experience (in Europe especially) and that he wouldn't be so open in Europe and at times play an outdated 442 formation against 5 man midfields. I have to admire his bravery but it hasn't really gotten them anywhere.
My article saying he should go isn't really based on a deep personal dislike for the guy or a need for any manager to be sacked. It was written in 'devils advocate' form on behalf of the way football is now. I think that in this day and age with what City have spent and who they dropped 5 points to that perhaps Pellegrini's time would nearly be up.
Fair enough he will probably be there next season but if he doesn't learn from his mistakes then i'm sure loads of people will accept that relatively speaking it would have been a failed experiment.
I think the problem with City is that some of their fans don't believe them to be a big club. So they don't demand more from them and that's reflected in the amount of people that go to their CL games. I genuinely think a lot of them want to go back to the days before all the money.
That might sound patronising but I genuinely don't mean it to be so. The City fans i've come across have in some ways been better supporters than a lot of United fans i've met. It's just a weird mentality there when the 'Fear' comes a calling during games.
posted on 6/11/14
If he fails next year, so be it. It was always going to be a three year cycle anyway and the demands people think our owners have are different to the reality.
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owners expectations are the unknown factor melton because a contract dosent mean squat if they want rid. I personally wouldnt advocate pelligrini be replaced but unfortunately thats the way of things these days.
posted on 6/11/14
I think the problem with City is that some of their fans don't believe them to be a big club. So they don't demand more from them and that's reflected in the amount of people that go to their CL games. I genuinely think a lot of them want to go back to the days before all the money.
That might sound patronising but I genuinely don't mean it to be so. The City fans i've come across have in some ways been better supporters than a lot of United fans i've met. It's just a weird mentality there when the 'Fear' comes a calling during games.
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That clearly shows you don't live in or anywhere near Manchester. I live in a header which is a big city area (unfortunately) and have quite a lot of City mates. The last 3 seasons or so they have been as arrogant as you can get. Like most football fans Tbf when they are at the top. They feel they have a God given right to win most of their games now. Last night for example booing their players off the pitch just because they are going through a rough patch.
They are the same as any other sets off supporters who have had a bit of success. Don't give me that nonsense about they are better than United supporters. Our supporters just look worse because we have 2 to 3 times as many fans therefore more idiots
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