Carrick
Herrera Di Maria
Rooney
I think we need to go back to the diamond to get the best out of Di Maria.
Be harsh to drop Blind because I think he's done alright, but as you say, Carricks passing is just a level ot 2 above Blinds.
Depends who the other four are and who the opposition is. I would go Carrick and blind, or play a three of those two and herrera. You set up very similarly to us in that your fullbacks need to create the width, so you need your cms to stay deep and cover the spaces.
Carrick and herrera, I think could get overrun quite easily.
Melts
The other 3 of the other 4 are almost always going to be Rooney (captain), RvP (doesn't matter how shíte he plays he seems undroppable) and Di Maria (best player). That leaves space for either Falcao (if we play with 2 up top) or Adnan (if we play with one).
There's a really comfortable seat on the bench for him.
Yeah and I'm not sure on the balance with that side. Against the lesser teams then absolutely, I just think it leaves your defence exposed and the gaps it creates in your midfield mean you play too high a line to compensate for it.
RVP is the one I would drop. The problem is you have too many players that are suited centrally rather than on the wings, and when they are on the wings, they all move into the centre anyway which both clogs it up and leaves huge gaps.
It's very similar to city a couple of years ago.
We do have a problem at the minute with balance.
Di Maria, Adnan, Mata, Rooney, RvP, Falcao and Wilson are all more comfortable down the middle.
We only have Valencia and Young who are proper out and out wingers.
Going to take time for LVG to sort this out.
Definitely. It's fine as long as your fullbacks create the width, but what it relies on then is the defensive discipline from your cms
You're in a strange situation where your strikers and midfielders suit 352 really to get them all central, but your defence suits 442.
I would go DDG and whatever back 4 you feel is best, then the next 5 definitely - Blind, Carrick, Di Maria, Rooney, Falcao. The final position would be a toss up between Herrera, Mata, Fellaini and probably Januzaj from time to time. It's a choice of Falcao or RVP and I would go Falcao.
I've not got bogged down with systems etc, but for me that's the best 10 for the team then plus one.
" brought a bit more tempo to our play with his passing"
Do you mean that slow, boring, in creative play we made yesterday?
Carrick doesn't have the legs to play in the big games for me, and there is little point in playing him midfield when we have 70% possession (which is good to see), in the games like yesterday we should play him cb. Allow him to keep the ball ticking over from defence because as I said there was enough passes attempting to cut their defence open yesterday.
Truth is we were lucky to win, other than the goal we didn't havr many clear cut chances, maybe one or two. Which as I said Isnt enough when you have as much possession as we did. Too many water carriers yesterday.
It seems whenever Di Maria doesn't play well we don't. We don't have any one else who's prepared to take risks and beat people. Everyone just played the safe option yesterday.
comment by Busbybabes - Bítch (U19985)
posted 4 minutes ago
" brought a bit more tempo to our play with his passing"
Do you mean that slow, boring, in creative play we made yesterday?
Carrick doesn't have the legs to play in the big games for me, and there is little point in playing him midfield when we have 70% possession (which is good to see), in the games like yesterday we should play him cb. Allow him to keep the ball ticking over from defence because as I said there was enough passes attempting to cut their defence open yesterday.
Truth is we were lucky to win, other than the goal we didn't havr many clear cut chances, maybe one or two. Which as I said Isnt enough when you have as much possession as we did. Too many water carriers yesterday.
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It is like the type of football Robb likes is the slow as f, lumpy obvious football. First Fellaini then Carrick. Only yesterday, the change pushing Carrick back and Blind forward made an obvious difference in the attacking.
I am not sure you actually watch football to enjoy it.
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Busbybabes - Bítch (U19985)
posted 4 minutes ago
" brought a bit more tempo to our play with his passing"
Do you mean that slow, boring, in creative play we made yesterday?
Carrick doesn't have the legs to play in the big games for me, and there is little point in playing him midfield when we have 70% possession (which is good to see), in the games like yesterday we should play him cb. Allow him to keep the ball ticking over from defence because as I said there was enough passes attempting to cut their defence open yesterday.
Truth is we were lucky to win, other than the goal we didn't havr many clear cut chances, maybe one or two. Which as I said Isnt enough when you have as much possession as we did. Too many water carriers yesterday.
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It is like the type of football Robb likes is the slow as f, lumpy obvious football. First Fellaini then Carrick. Only yesterday, the change pushing Carrick back and Blind forward made an obvious difference in the attacking.
I am not sure you actually watch football to enjoy it.
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Carrick was the only one passing the ball fast, forward and with speed. Obviously you don't rate Carrick but it's hardly his fault you're blind to the excellent forward passing he brings to the side.
Maybe just once you wanna blame the real culprits for yesterdays lack of incision (Di Maria, RVP and Adnan).
They had plenty of the ball but did nothing with it.
-------------------------DDG------------------------
Rafael-----Carrick----Rojo---------Shaw
-------------------------Blind-----------------------
---------------Herrera-----DiMaria------------
--------------------------Mata----------------------
---------------Rooney-------Falcao-----------
comment by #Robb - the Babadook (U19350)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Busbybabes - Bítch (U19985)
posted 4 minutes ago
" brought a bit more tempo to our play with his passing"
Do you mean that slow, boring, in creative play we made yesterday?
Carrick doesn't have the legs to play in the big games for me, and there is little point in playing him midfield when we have 70% possession (which is good to see), in the games like yesterday we should play him cb. Allow him to keep the ball ticking over from defence because as I said there was enough passes attempting to cut their defence open yesterday.
Truth is we were lucky to win, other than the goal we didn't havr many clear cut chances, maybe one or two. Which as I said Isnt enough when you have as much possession as we did. Too many water carriers yesterday.
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It is like the type of football Robb likes is the slow as f, lumpy obvious football. First Fellaini then Carrick. Only yesterday, the change pushing Carrick back and Blind forward made an obvious difference in the attacking.
I am not sure you actually watch football to enjoy it.
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Carrick was the only one passing the ball fast, forward and with speed. Obviously you don't rate Carrick but it's hardly his fault you're blind to the excellent forward passing he brings to the side.
Maybe just once you wanna blame the real culprits for yesterdays lack of incision (Di Maria, RVP and Adnan).
They had plenty of the ball but did nothing with it.
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Passing the ball to feet and passing the ball to a player in space are two different things. Sideways passing, 5 yard passes to a player backing the opposition is not what we are looking for but thats what we got loads of from Carrick. At least Blind pushes up a bit to help the link up and take the space offered by the defence, Carrick just sits back and leaves a gaping hole in central midfield.
But Ignore simple dynamics of football and blame wingers for having to beat 2 -3 men because carrick "passed it to feet" when they should be passed into space. I reiterate I do not know what type of football you like, but it is not attacking football.
You do realise that there was no space yesterday as Palace put 11 men behind the ball? At OT there is very rarely any space when these teams come and play the most negative football possible. Hence why when Mata came on we had to score with a shot outside the box.
Carrick is the perfect player to play in these types of home games because he recycles the ball from the back quickly and gets it forward well. He protects the back 4 from counter attacks and links up play well. He was our man of the match yesterday as stated by people who watched the game.
comment by #Robb - the Babadook (U19350)
posted 27 minutes ago
You do realise that there was no space yesterday as Palace put 11 men behind the ball? At OT there is very rarely any space when these teams come and play the most negative football possible. Hence why when Mata came on we had to score with a shot outside the box.
Carrick is the perfect player to play in these types of home games because he recycles the ball from the back quickly and gets it forward well. He protects the back 4 from counter attacks and links up play well. He was our man of the match yesterday as stated by people who watched the game.
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Blind is better for covering against 11 men. He's quicker and gets into tackles, ergo, better at brining counter attacks to a dead halt. Carrick is better at covering the space (rather than taking the ball), so I think he'd be better suited for matches where possession is less in our favour.
Also, Shaw was quiet easily the MOTM yesterday, just sayin;'
Carrick wasn't motm, Shaw was. And when Blind was switched with Carrick United looked a lot better. Blind actually closes people down which is a pretty basic requirement of a player who's job it is to protect the back four. Think Blind is also better in tight situations, Carrick can be got at. At 33 I don't think Carrick should be a guaranteed starter anymore. And if he is to play then I'd like to see one of Herrera or Blind with him, maybe even both in the tougher games.
comment by #Robb - the Babadook (U19350)
posted 1 hour, 35 minutes ago
You do realise that there was no space yesterday as Palace put 11 men behind the ball? At OT there is very rarely any space when these teams come and play the most negative football possible. Hence why when Mata came on we had to score with a shot outside the box.
Carrick is the perfect player to play in these types of home games because he recycles the ball from the back quickly and gets it forward well. He protects the back 4 from counter attacks and links up play well. He was our man of the match yesterday as stated by people who watched the game.
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You don't need recycling of the ball in these games, that comes naturally with 70% possession of the ball, most midfielders can sit there with 6/7 seconds on the ball to pick you pass.
My problem with Carrick is that he never tries to split the defence with a pass, which is what the best midfielders can do.
Carrick was very good against Palace, but what I liked was having him AND Daley Blind on the pitch together, talk about options! I think it'll be a rotation basis to keep them both fresh, Blind will only improve, but we should avoid over-using Carrick due to age, and HAVING to depend on him each week. Keep in mind we'll be playing more matches next season, God willing. Glad to see him come back looking fresh!!!
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posted on 9/11/14
Carrick
Herrera Di Maria
Rooney
I think we need to go back to the diamond to get the best out of Di Maria.
Be harsh to drop Blind because I think he's done alright, but as you say, Carricks passing is just a level ot 2 above Blinds.
posted on 9/11/14
Depends who the other four are and who the opposition is. I would go Carrick and blind, or play a three of those two and herrera. You set up very similarly to us in that your fullbacks need to create the width, so you need your cms to stay deep and cover the spaces.
Carrick and herrera, I think could get overrun quite easily.
posted on 9/11/14
Melts
The other 3 of the other 4 are almost always going to be Rooney (captain), RvP (doesn't matter how shíte he plays he seems undroppable) and Di Maria (best player). That leaves space for either Falcao (if we play with 2 up top) or Adnan (if we play with one).
posted on 9/11/14
There's a really comfortable seat on the bench for him.
posted on 9/11/14
Yeah and I'm not sure on the balance with that side. Against the lesser teams then absolutely, I just think it leaves your defence exposed and the gaps it creates in your midfield mean you play too high a line to compensate for it.
RVP is the one I would drop. The problem is you have too many players that are suited centrally rather than on the wings, and when they are on the wings, they all move into the centre anyway which both clogs it up and leaves huge gaps.
It's very similar to city a couple of years ago.
posted on 9/11/14
We do have a problem at the minute with balance.
Di Maria, Adnan, Mata, Rooney, RvP, Falcao and Wilson are all more comfortable down the middle.
We only have Valencia and Young who are proper out and out wingers.
Going to take time for LVG to sort this out.
posted on 9/11/14
Definitely. It's fine as long as your fullbacks create the width, but what it relies on then is the defensive discipline from your cms
You're in a strange situation where your strikers and midfielders suit 352 really to get them all central, but your defence suits 442.
posted on 9/11/14
I would go DDG and whatever back 4 you feel is best, then the next 5 definitely - Blind, Carrick, Di Maria, Rooney, Falcao. The final position would be a toss up between Herrera, Mata, Fellaini and probably Januzaj from time to time. It's a choice of Falcao or RVP and I would go Falcao.
I've not got bogged down with systems etc, but for me that's the best 10 for the team then plus one.
posted on 9/11/14
posted on 9/11/14
" brought a bit more tempo to our play with his passing"
Do you mean that slow, boring, in creative play we made yesterday?
Carrick doesn't have the legs to play in the big games for me, and there is little point in playing him midfield when we have 70% possession (which is good to see), in the games like yesterday we should play him cb. Allow him to keep the ball ticking over from defence because as I said there was enough passes attempting to cut their defence open yesterday.
Truth is we were lucky to win, other than the goal we didn't havr many clear cut chances, maybe one or two. Which as I said Isnt enough when you have as much possession as we did. Too many water carriers yesterday.
posted on 9/11/14
It seems whenever Di Maria doesn't play well we don't. We don't have any one else who's prepared to take risks and beat people. Everyone just played the safe option yesterday.
posted on 9/11/14
comment by Busbybabes - Bítch (U19985)
posted 4 minutes ago
" brought a bit more tempo to our play with his passing"
Do you mean that slow, boring, in creative play we made yesterday?
Carrick doesn't have the legs to play in the big games for me, and there is little point in playing him midfield when we have 70% possession (which is good to see), in the games like yesterday we should play him cb. Allow him to keep the ball ticking over from defence because as I said there was enough passes attempting to cut their defence open yesterday.
Truth is we were lucky to win, other than the goal we didn't havr many clear cut chances, maybe one or two. Which as I said Isnt enough when you have as much possession as we did. Too many water carriers yesterday.
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It is like the type of football Robb likes is the slow as f, lumpy obvious football. First Fellaini then Carrick. Only yesterday, the change pushing Carrick back and Blind forward made an obvious difference in the attacking.
I am not sure you actually watch football to enjoy it.
posted on 9/11/14
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Busbybabes - Bítch (U19985)
posted 4 minutes ago
" brought a bit more tempo to our play with his passing"
Do you mean that slow, boring, in creative play we made yesterday?
Carrick doesn't have the legs to play in the big games for me, and there is little point in playing him midfield when we have 70% possession (which is good to see), in the games like yesterday we should play him cb. Allow him to keep the ball ticking over from defence because as I said there was enough passes attempting to cut their defence open yesterday.
Truth is we were lucky to win, other than the goal we didn't havr many clear cut chances, maybe one or two. Which as I said Isnt enough when you have as much possession as we did. Too many water carriers yesterday.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It is like the type of football Robb likes is the slow as f, lumpy obvious football. First Fellaini then Carrick. Only yesterday, the change pushing Carrick back and Blind forward made an obvious difference in the attacking.
I am not sure you actually watch football to enjoy it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Carrick was the only one passing the ball fast, forward and with speed. Obviously you don't rate Carrick but it's hardly his fault you're blind to the excellent forward passing he brings to the side.
Maybe just once you wanna blame the real culprits for yesterdays lack of incision (Di Maria, RVP and Adnan).
They had plenty of the ball but did nothing with it.
posted on 9/11/14
-------------------------DDG------------------------
Rafael-----Carrick----Rojo---------Shaw
-------------------------Blind-----------------------
---------------Herrera-----DiMaria------------
--------------------------Mata----------------------
---------------Rooney-------Falcao-----------
posted on 9/11/14
comment by #Robb - the Babadook (U19350)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Busbybabes - Bítch (U19985)
posted 4 minutes ago
" brought a bit more tempo to our play with his passing"
Do you mean that slow, boring, in creative play we made yesterday?
Carrick doesn't have the legs to play in the big games for me, and there is little point in playing him midfield when we have 70% possession (which is good to see), in the games like yesterday we should play him cb. Allow him to keep the ball ticking over from defence because as I said there was enough passes attempting to cut their defence open yesterday.
Truth is we were lucky to win, other than the goal we didn't havr many clear cut chances, maybe one or two. Which as I said Isnt enough when you have as much possession as we did. Too many water carriers yesterday.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It is like the type of football Robb likes is the slow as f, lumpy obvious football. First Fellaini then Carrick. Only yesterday, the change pushing Carrick back and Blind forward made an obvious difference in the attacking.
I am not sure you actually watch football to enjoy it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Carrick was the only one passing the ball fast, forward and with speed. Obviously you don't rate Carrick but it's hardly his fault you're blind to the excellent forward passing he brings to the side.
Maybe just once you wanna blame the real culprits for yesterdays lack of incision (Di Maria, RVP and Adnan).
They had plenty of the ball but did nothing with it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Passing the ball to feet and passing the ball to a player in space are two different things. Sideways passing, 5 yard passes to a player backing the opposition is not what we are looking for but thats what we got loads of from Carrick. At least Blind pushes up a bit to help the link up and take the space offered by the defence, Carrick just sits back and leaves a gaping hole in central midfield.
But Ignore simple dynamics of football and blame wingers for having to beat 2 -3 men because carrick "passed it to feet" when they should be passed into space. I reiterate I do not know what type of football you like, but it is not attacking football.
posted on 9/11/14
You do realise that there was no space yesterday as Palace put 11 men behind the ball? At OT there is very rarely any space when these teams come and play the most negative football possible. Hence why when Mata came on we had to score with a shot outside the box.
Carrick is the perfect player to play in these types of home games because he recycles the ball from the back quickly and gets it forward well. He protects the back 4 from counter attacks and links up play well. He was our man of the match yesterday as stated by people who watched the game.
posted on 9/11/14
comment by #Robb - the Babadook (U19350)
posted 27 minutes ago
You do realise that there was no space yesterday as Palace put 11 men behind the ball? At OT there is very rarely any space when these teams come and play the most negative football possible. Hence why when Mata came on we had to score with a shot outside the box.
Carrick is the perfect player to play in these types of home games because he recycles the ball from the back quickly and gets it forward well. He protects the back 4 from counter attacks and links up play well. He was our man of the match yesterday as stated by people who watched the game.
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Blind is better for covering against 11 men. He's quicker and gets into tackles, ergo, better at brining counter attacks to a dead halt. Carrick is better at covering the space (rather than taking the ball), so I think he'd be better suited for matches where possession is less in our favour.
Also, Shaw was quiet easily the MOTM yesterday, just sayin;'
posted on 9/11/14
Carrick wasn't motm, Shaw was. And when Blind was switched with Carrick United looked a lot better. Blind actually closes people down which is a pretty basic requirement of a player who's job it is to protect the back four. Think Blind is also better in tight situations, Carrick can be got at. At 33 I don't think Carrick should be a guaranteed starter anymore. And if he is to play then I'd like to see one of Herrera or Blind with him, maybe even both in the tougher games.
posted on 9/11/14
comment by #Robb - the Babadook (U19350)
posted 1 hour, 35 minutes ago
You do realise that there was no space yesterday as Palace put 11 men behind the ball? At OT there is very rarely any space when these teams come and play the most negative football possible. Hence why when Mata came on we had to score with a shot outside the box.
Carrick is the perfect player to play in these types of home games because he recycles the ball from the back quickly and gets it forward well. He protects the back 4 from counter attacks and links up play well. He was our man of the match yesterday as stated by people who watched the game.
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You don't need recycling of the ball in these games, that comes naturally with 70% possession of the ball, most midfielders can sit there with 6/7 seconds on the ball to pick you pass.
My problem with Carrick is that he never tries to split the defence with a pass, which is what the best midfielders can do.
posted on 9/11/14
Carrick was very good against Palace, but what I liked was having him AND Daley Blind on the pitch together, talk about options! I think it'll be a rotation basis to keep them both fresh, Blind will only improve, but we should avoid over-using Carrick due to age, and HAVING to depend on him each week. Keep in mind we'll be playing more matches next season, God willing. Glad to see him come back looking fresh!!!
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