its what I have been saying for a while now
comment by threadkiller, being ignored since 2011 (U1148)
posted 5 minutes ago
its what I have been saying for a while now
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It's a shame Levy can't conduct managerial interviews. Surely we can outsource this part of the Spurs board to a third party.
I'm getting a bit sick of the stick Poch is getting on this site. 3 managers in 4 years is proof that the issue is higher up than that. There are a combination of 3 men responsible, and not one is the manager. Levy, Lewis, Baldini. Recruitment is the issue. Bad signings, understaffed, incorrect sackings. It's got nothing to do with the manager or tactics.
It all went wrong when Levy sacked Harry for finishing 4th. 4th?!!!!!! Says everything.
agree recruitment is a problem but it dousnt take away from the fact that the man might not be good enough for the job
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 13 minutes ago
I'm getting a bit sick of the stick Poch is getting on this site. 3 managers in 4 years is proof that the issue is higher up than that. There are a combination of 3 men responsible, and not one is the manager. Levy, Lewis, Baldini. Recruitment is the issue. Bad signings, understaffed, incorrect sackings. It's got nothing to do with the manager or tactics.
It all went wrong when Levy sacked Harry for finishing 4th. 4th?!!!!!! Says everything.
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Poch must take responsibility. the same way he will take credit if he is successful.
You won't be praising Baldini if Chadli, Eriksen or Lamela end up our top scorers this season.
funny how times change...
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/tottenham-transfers-franco-baldini-best-2190555
Harry, AVB and Sherwood did not deserve the sack (for footballing reasons at least), Poch is doing a worse job than all three of those.
Sherwood had the same squad of players and we played better football, won more points and looked like a team.
We are seeing no signs of improvement, I hope Poch turns it around quickly but game by game he is becoming more and more a dead man walking imo.
There is no point saying Poch needs 2 or 3 windows to get his own players in, Levy was never going to massively overhaul the squad again, Poch had to work with what we have and he is making a bad job of it.
All Baldini does it identify...If Levy or Poch don't like it. Then they don't have to buy it.
in my view its either Levy or the manager that takes blame for our signings. Baldini is just the middle man. People need to get it out of their head that Baldini signs the cheques. As far as I know he doesn't.
Re: Paulinho, the fact that Pochettino has hardly used him so far this season suggests it wasn't an either or decision between him and Sigurdsson. If a decent offer had arrived, Paulinho probably would have left too. As he didn't, Holtby was loaned out.
comment by Billy The Yidd (U3924)
posted 33 seconds ago
Harry, AVB and Sherwood did not deserve the sack (for footballing reasons at least), Poch is doing a worse job than all three of those.
Sherwood had the same squad of players and we played better football, won more points and looked like a team.
We are seeing no signs of improvement, I hope Poch turns it around quickly but game by game he is becoming more and more a dead man walking imo.
There is no point saying Poch needs 2 or 3 windows to get his own players in, Levy was never going to massively overhaul the squad again, Poch had to work with what we have and he is making a bad job of it.
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I believe thats why levy hired him. He wanted a coach to get us playing.
But this does not change the fact that 2 key signings could change his and our fortunes around.
Our Spine is weak. Quality DM pass maestro is needed. Sit deep and launch play
Bully of a forward...no tippy tappy stuff. Man mountain that stays central and causes problems for opposition CBs.
These two players would change our play drastically.
comment by oteoi (U15653)
posted 3 minutes ago
Re: Paulinho, the fact that Pochettino has hardly used him so far this season suggests it wasn't an either or decision between him and Sigurdsson. If a decent offer had arrived, Paulinho probably would have left too. As he didn't, Holtby was loaned out.
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still a mistake. Why loan out Holtby. We didn't need to balance the books. I would rather loan out Paulinho to Hull.
I think Poch got lucky
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Agreed...
I imagine Paulinho is on pretty high wages and it was difficult to get another club to take him, even on loan. The decision to let Holtby leave suggests that Pochettino was content to put faith in some of our younger players (Bentaleb, Mason) if need be.
If Pochettino didn't fancy either of them, keeping both Paulinho & Holtby would have represented a lot of wasted wages.
comment by oteoi (U15653)
posted 1 minute ago
I imagine Paulinho is on pretty high wages and it was difficult to get another club to take him, even on loan. The decision to let Holtby leave suggests that Pochettino was content to put faith in some of our younger players (Bentaleb, Mason) if need be.
If Pochettino didn't fancy either of them, keeping both Paulinho & Holtby would have represented a lot of wasted wages.
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I would rather lose wages than points...finishig 1 position higher in the league covers any wages savings that a loan would have achieved.
Very odd logic by our boardroom if you are correct..
I don't think he's a bad or overrated coach/manager, however this is his first job where he's probably expected to win the majority of his matches as opposed to espanyol and Southampton where top 10/europa league was a standard or good achievement
comment by Ledley's resurrection - Bonafide Football Manager legend and Wonderkid Hunter (U20121)
posted 15 minutes ago
I don't think he's a bad or overrated coach/manager, however this is his first job where he's probably expected to win the majority of his matches as opposed to espanyol and Southampton where top 10/europa league was a standard or good achievement
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Levy keeps signing managers like this. I think he is afraid of having to deal with an equal. He is the True Darth Lord..
How can you judge a manager that hasn't been given the funds to create his own team? This is AVB's team really (or Baldini's depending on who's responsible). There is nothing to be gained from sacking the manager. Either stick to what we have or sell what we have and recruit other players. Simple. We need to give poch at least a fresh, blank canvas.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 5 minutes ago
How can you judge a manager that hasn't been given the funds to create his own team? This is AVB's team really (or Baldini's depending on who's responsible). There is nothing to be gained from sacking the manager. Either stick to what we have or sell what we have and recruit other players. Simple. We need to give poch at least a fresh, blank canvas.
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Sherwood had no funds and had almost the same squad of players as Poch, we had better results, played better football and looked like a team. If Sherwood can get results out of our squad, then why can`t Poch?
The more games that pass the more I am convinced we have a decent squad of players that are being stifled by a manager who does not know how to get the best out of them.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 9 minutes ago
How can you judge a manager that hasn't been given the funds to create his own team? This is AVB's team really (or Baldini's depending on who's responsible). There is nothing to be gained from sacking the manager. Either stick to what we have or sell what we have and recruit other players. Simple. We need to give poch at least a fresh, blank canvas.
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When did I say sack Poch? It's just clear he's not a good coach.
A good coach makes a team better irrespective of transfers...Poch has failed on this account.
IF he needs his own players then he is no different to most managers in the market. You and I can manage a team that we bought. You don't need a coaching badge for that.
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posted on 10/11/14
its what I have been saying for a while now
posted on 10/11/14
comment by threadkiller, being ignored since 2011 (U1148)
posted 5 minutes ago
its what I have been saying for a while now
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It's a shame Levy can't conduct managerial interviews. Surely we can outsource this part of the Spurs board to a third party.
posted on 10/11/14
I'm getting a bit sick of the stick Poch is getting on this site. 3 managers in 4 years is proof that the issue is higher up than that. There are a combination of 3 men responsible, and not one is the manager. Levy, Lewis, Baldini. Recruitment is the issue. Bad signings, understaffed, incorrect sackings. It's got nothing to do with the manager or tactics.
It all went wrong when Levy sacked Harry for finishing 4th. 4th?!!!!!! Says everything.
posted on 10/11/14
agree recruitment is a problem but it dousnt take away from the fact that the man might not be good enough for the job
posted on 10/11/14
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 13 minutes ago
I'm getting a bit sick of the stick Poch is getting on this site. 3 managers in 4 years is proof that the issue is higher up than that. There are a combination of 3 men responsible, and not one is the manager. Levy, Lewis, Baldini. Recruitment is the issue. Bad signings, understaffed, incorrect sackings. It's got nothing to do with the manager or tactics.
It all went wrong when Levy sacked Harry for finishing 4th. 4th?!!!!!! Says everything.
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Poch must take responsibility. the same way he will take credit if he is successful.
You won't be praising Baldini if Chadli, Eriksen or Lamela end up our top scorers this season.
funny how times change...
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/tottenham-transfers-franco-baldini-best-2190555
posted on 10/11/14
Harry, AVB and Sherwood did not deserve the sack (for footballing reasons at least), Poch is doing a worse job than all three of those.
Sherwood had the same squad of players and we played better football, won more points and looked like a team.
We are seeing no signs of improvement, I hope Poch turns it around quickly but game by game he is becoming more and more a dead man walking imo.
There is no point saying Poch needs 2 or 3 windows to get his own players in, Levy was never going to massively overhaul the squad again, Poch had to work with what we have and he is making a bad job of it.
posted on 10/11/14
All Baldini does it identify...If Levy or Poch don't like it. Then they don't have to buy it.
in my view its either Levy or the manager that takes blame for our signings. Baldini is just the middle man. People need to get it out of their head that Baldini signs the cheques. As far as I know he doesn't.
posted on 10/11/14
Re: Paulinho, the fact that Pochettino has hardly used him so far this season suggests it wasn't an either or decision between him and Sigurdsson. If a decent offer had arrived, Paulinho probably would have left too. As he didn't, Holtby was loaned out.
posted on 10/11/14
comment by Billy The Yidd (U3924)
posted 33 seconds ago
Harry, AVB and Sherwood did not deserve the sack (for footballing reasons at least), Poch is doing a worse job than all three of those.
Sherwood had the same squad of players and we played better football, won more points and looked like a team.
We are seeing no signs of improvement, I hope Poch turns it around quickly but game by game he is becoming more and more a dead man walking imo.
There is no point saying Poch needs 2 or 3 windows to get his own players in, Levy was never going to massively overhaul the squad again, Poch had to work with what we have and he is making a bad job of it.
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I believe thats why levy hired him. He wanted a coach to get us playing.
But this does not change the fact that 2 key signings could change his and our fortunes around.
Our Spine is weak. Quality DM pass maestro is needed. Sit deep and launch play
Bully of a forward...no tippy tappy stuff. Man mountain that stays central and causes problems for opposition CBs.
These two players would change our play drastically.
posted on 10/11/14
comment by oteoi (U15653)
posted 3 minutes ago
Re: Paulinho, the fact that Pochettino has hardly used him so far this season suggests it wasn't an either or decision between him and Sigurdsson. If a decent offer had arrived, Paulinho probably would have left too. As he didn't, Holtby was loaned out.
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still a mistake. Why loan out Holtby. We didn't need to balance the books. I would rather loan out Paulinho to Hull.
posted on 10/11/14
I think Poch got lucky
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Agreed...
posted on 10/11/14
I imagine Paulinho is on pretty high wages and it was difficult to get another club to take him, even on loan. The decision to let Holtby leave suggests that Pochettino was content to put faith in some of our younger players (Bentaleb, Mason) if need be.
If Pochettino didn't fancy either of them, keeping both Paulinho & Holtby would have represented a lot of wasted wages.
posted on 10/11/14
comment by oteoi (U15653)
posted 1 minute ago
I imagine Paulinho is on pretty high wages and it was difficult to get another club to take him, even on loan. The decision to let Holtby leave suggests that Pochettino was content to put faith in some of our younger players (Bentaleb, Mason) if need be.
If Pochettino didn't fancy either of them, keeping both Paulinho & Holtby would have represented a lot of wasted wages.
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I would rather lose wages than points...finishig 1 position higher in the league covers any wages savings that a loan would have achieved.
Very odd logic by our boardroom if you are correct..
posted on 10/11/14
I don't think he's a bad or overrated coach/manager, however this is his first job where he's probably expected to win the majority of his matches as opposed to espanyol and Southampton where top 10/europa league was a standard or good achievement
posted on 10/11/14
comment by Ledley's resurrection - Bonafide Football Manager legend and Wonderkid Hunter (U20121)
posted 15 minutes ago
I don't think he's a bad or overrated coach/manager, however this is his first job where he's probably expected to win the majority of his matches as opposed to espanyol and Southampton where top 10/europa league was a standard or good achievement
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Levy keeps signing managers like this. I think he is afraid of having to deal with an equal. He is the True Darth Lord..
posted on 10/11/14
How can you judge a manager that hasn't been given the funds to create his own team? This is AVB's team really (or Baldini's depending on who's responsible). There is nothing to be gained from sacking the manager. Either stick to what we have or sell what we have and recruit other players. Simple. We need to give poch at least a fresh, blank canvas.
posted on 10/11/14
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 5 minutes ago
How can you judge a manager that hasn't been given the funds to create his own team? This is AVB's team really (or Baldini's depending on who's responsible). There is nothing to be gained from sacking the manager. Either stick to what we have or sell what we have and recruit other players. Simple. We need to give poch at least a fresh, blank canvas.
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Sherwood had no funds and had almost the same squad of players as Poch, we had better results, played better football and looked like a team. If Sherwood can get results out of our squad, then why can`t Poch?
The more games that pass the more I am convinced we have a decent squad of players that are being stifled by a manager who does not know how to get the best out of them.
posted on 10/11/14
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 9 minutes ago
How can you judge a manager that hasn't been given the funds to create his own team? This is AVB's team really (or Baldini's depending on who's responsible). There is nothing to be gained from sacking the manager. Either stick to what we have or sell what we have and recruit other players. Simple. We need to give poch at least a fresh, blank canvas.
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When did I say sack Poch? It's just clear he's not a good coach.
A good coach makes a team better irrespective of transfers...Poch has failed on this account.
IF he needs his own players then he is no different to most managers in the market. You and I can manage a team that we bought. You don't need a coaching badge for that.
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