grandspurs
Especially the poster grandspurs who was calling me an idiot and saying it was the worst article ever!
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And you are still an idot as for the worst article ever the only person who stands a chance of beating you is sandy he is as full of crap
You sure know how to debate grandspur. Don`t give up your day job.
HTF can you call somebody an idiot you will never know in real life. The poster has given an opinion, is that a reason to call him an idiot?
I`d wager we would have had more points on the board at this stage with Sherwood in charge, so far Poch has not shown anything other than being just another Levy fack up.
comment by burghandy (U10383)
posted 4 hours, 33 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur - Aaron Lennon <3 (U1109)
posted 6 hours, 41 minutes ago
Performances = We scored more but looked like a kids at lunchtime in primary school
Points = the season hasn't ended yet
Win Ratio = which you are conveniently avoiding cup games
League position = again the season hasn't finished yet
Results against the same teams last season = We didnt get any points at WHU or Arsenal last season
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First point makes no sense
Second point Sherwood was never given a whole season to be judged by you lot
Third point I agree he was useless in the cup games
Fourth point again Sherwood was never given a whole season.
Fifth point we are far better off points wise under Sherwood than Poch so far
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First point makes sense if you have a mote of intelligence. We didn't play like a team we played like children did at school.
Second and Fourth point doesn't change anything. The season finishes in May not December (unless you are an Arsenal fan, like Sherwood), final league place isn't comparable as is final points.
Sherwood came in when the pressure was off and thus it was easy for the team to do well. He didn't do great, he didn't do bad. Yet he gave enough evidence to show that he wasn't the manager to progress us to become a top tier club.
As it stands now, Sherwood did a far better job thann Poch has so far. Not even close.
Football played
Goals scored
Points on the board
Some questionable teams and tactics for certain games, but largely got it right. As opposed to Poch who continually picks a lopsided side and rarely gets it right.
If Sherwood had kept the job and had the same start as Poch he would have been absolutely crucified on here,
There are certain people that they scapegoated, and Spurs fans in general tend to go for English players, or anyone with a connection to Arsenal, yet will give others a much easier run.
No previous scapegoats played yesterday
No Rose
No Kaboul
No Naughton
No Walker
No Capoue
No Townsend
No Adebayor
Yet still we looked an awful side.
Soldado and Kane looked woeful, but as has been the case with Adebayor, it's because the team set up is a shambles.
Even after Everton, there were still teams going about with Lamela at RM, so the fans really can't moan - they are as blind to it as Poch is.
No Lennon
How did Lennon play against Chelsea? Was he any good?
He did alright. has to take his part of the responsibility for the first, but he wasn't playing right back.
We played much better on Wednesday than we did yesterday though. Chelsea would have put 5 or 6 past us on that showing, it was diabolical.
I disagree RE Poch being lopsided but Sherwood not. Under Poch we look weak on the flanks but strong in the middle, under Sherwood we look weak in the middle but strong in the flanks. It is lopsided to play two CM's when one is Chadli, or Eriksen, or Siggurdson.
The way I look at it, Bolasie gave Dier an absolutely torrid time yesterday, much worse than Chiriches got from Eden Hazard, and he got no help whatsoever from Lamela.
Compare that to Everton the previous week, where we looked solid and assured, were closing down their left side well, and Chiriches was made to look a decent right back.
Lamela has his place, but for the life of me I don't see how anyone can be blind to the fact we need Lennon there if Dier, Chiriches or Naughton play right back
omment by Edinspur - Aaron Lennon <3 (U1109)
posted 2 minutes ago
I disagree RE Poch being lopsided but Sherwood not. Under Poch we look weak on the flanks but strong in the middle, under Sherwood we look weak in the middle but strong in the flanks. It is lopsided to play two CM's when one is Chadli, or Eriksen, or Siggurdson.
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If that happened every game I'd agree with you, butwe probably did that on about 2/3 occasions .
Poch has only got it right a couple of times, and the majority of times has it wrong
sherwood's team selections were ridiculous
poch's have sometimes been poor but more often than not we can see the plan.
sherwood was basically fortunate that he was in ade's good books and after being out in the cold ade was like a new signing, and also eriksen had now adapted to the league and was starting to shine.
we were basically ade plus eriksen, and that was it - two players in a rich vein of form.
no structure, no plan, no nothing. not sustainable. thats why 90% of spurs fans did not want sherwood to continue into this season
Lamela is pretty much finished for me now for league games!!
If he can't make a difference against a team like palace/WBA then what's the point of him!
He is so desperate to use his left foot.
The only place for him is left midfield for me, but even then we have better options coming in from the left.
If we get a good offer, anywhere around the 15/20m mark, I'd snap your hand off
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 11 minutes ago
omment by Edinspur - Aaron Lennon <3 (U1109)
posted 2 minutes ago
I disagree RE Poch being lopsided but Sherwood not. Under Poch we look weak on the flanks but strong in the middle, under Sherwood we look weak in the middle but strong in the flanks. It is lopsided to play two CM's when one is Chadli, or Eriksen, or Siggurdson.
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If that happened every game I'd agree with you, butwe probably did that on about 2/3 occasions .
Poch has only got it right a couple of times, and the majority of times has it wrong
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VS WHU & Saints (first two games) he played Siggs in a nonsensical midfield two.
Against WBA he played a ridiculous bank of four that comprised of Holtby/Eriksen/Siggs/Chadli.
Against Chelsea he played the most unbalanced team I have seen in a long time.
Vs Southampton again Siggs played 45 mins in a midfield two.
Vs Liverpool it was Bentaleb/Siggs for the game.
Vs Sunderland it was Chadli/Paulinho
Vs WBA it was the same Chadli/Paulinho combo
and again vs Fulham & Stoke
Paulinho/Siggs against WHU 2-0
I count that as 11 times that we played an unbalanced midfield under Sherwood, which is exactly my point. I don't mind Poch criticism's as he has made quite a few glaring errors already, but it is bizarre to be so short-sided when it came to the equally error-prone Sherwood.
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 33 minutes ago
He did alright. has to take his part of the responsibility for the first, but he wasn't playing right back.
We played much better on Wednesday than we did yesterday though. Chelsea would have put 5 or 6 past us on that showing, it was diabolical.
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That's the thing though, we seem to be more geared up for games against opposition like City, Everton and Chelsea. Play us against some lower league team in not so good form and we don't turn up.
I suppose the major difference is that Sherwood still picked up results in some of the games he did it - winning 5 of the 11.
And in the games he didn't, we picked up lots of points.
Whereas under Poch we have looked much worse, and unconvincing for the majority of the games
Sherwood came in when there was no pressure in the league and the few high-pressure games (cup games) we did play in, we capitulated.
Does anyone honestly think that Sherwood with Spurs would challenge for titles and top 4, longterm?
comment by Edinspur - Aaron Lennon <3 (U1109)
posted 3 minutes ago
Sherwood came in when there was no pressure in the league and the few high-pressure games (cup games) we did play in, we capitulated.
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What about the pressure the fans had him under? The general feeling of dislike towards him.
It's a bit of a cop out to say no pressure. Was Poch under pressure really? Nobody expected anything amazing this season, mostvhappy with top 7 and improving performances, and he has had an awful lot of leeway early on.
Give Sherwood his credit - he knew how to get results against teams outside the top four. If we could replicate that now we'd be in the top four ourselves, and quite comfortably
Give Sherwood his credit - he knew how to get results against teams outside the top four. I
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if you look at AVB's full tenure, then so did he….
sherwood deserves credit for bringing through bentaleb and giving kane a shot.
thats about it
Give Sherwood his credit - he knew how to get results against teams outside the top four. If we could replicate that now we'd be in the top four ourselves, and quite comfortably
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Except for WHU, or WBA, or a few others.
I think Sherwood was actually exactly what was needed for this club as an Interim manager. He told all the egos off, made everyone realise that they are droppable, and blooded through some youngsters that have really excelled this season (Kane/Bentaleb).
I don't think he had it in him to progress us.
Haha thanks for replying though.
So what you are basically saying is that Sherwood is better than Poch?
Thanks for clearing that up.
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At this moment in time YOU would be a better option than MP and IMO you are totally clueless.
MP may given time get it right Sherwood would never have got it right in a million years which is why he is still out of work.
sandy
Whats up mate taking things personally I thought it was pure banter and wind ups on this board that what you told me a long while back and now you are getting all upset
Sign in if you want to comment
Are people now going to admit
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posted on 7/12/14
grandspurs
Especially the poster grandspurs who was calling me an idiot and saying it was the worst article ever!
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And you are still an idot as for the worst article ever the only person who stands a chance of beating you is sandy he is as full of crap
You sure know how to debate grandspur. Don`t give up your day job.
HTF can you call somebody an idiot you will never know in real life. The poster has given an opinion, is that a reason to call him an idiot?
posted on 7/12/14
I`d wager we would have had more points on the board at this stage with Sherwood in charge, so far Poch has not shown anything other than being just another Levy fack up.
posted on 7/12/14
comment by burghandy (U10383)
posted 4 hours, 33 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur - Aaron Lennon <3 (U1109)
posted 6 hours, 41 minutes ago
Performances = We scored more but looked like a kids at lunchtime in primary school
Points = the season hasn't ended yet
Win Ratio = which you are conveniently avoiding cup games
League position = again the season hasn't finished yet
Results against the same teams last season = We didnt get any points at WHU or Arsenal last season
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First point makes no sense
Second point Sherwood was never given a whole season to be judged by you lot
Third point I agree he was useless in the cup games
Fourth point again Sherwood was never given a whole season.
Fifth point we are far better off points wise under Sherwood than Poch so far
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First point makes sense if you have a mote of intelligence. We didn't play like a team we played like children did at school.
Second and Fourth point doesn't change anything. The season finishes in May not December (unless you are an Arsenal fan, like Sherwood), final league place isn't comparable as is final points.
Sherwood came in when the pressure was off and thus it was easy for the team to do well. He didn't do great, he didn't do bad. Yet he gave enough evidence to show that he wasn't the manager to progress us to become a top tier club.
posted on 7/12/14
As it stands now, Sherwood did a far better job thann Poch has so far. Not even close.
Football played
Goals scored
Points on the board
Some questionable teams and tactics for certain games, but largely got it right. As opposed to Poch who continually picks a lopsided side and rarely gets it right.
If Sherwood had kept the job and had the same start as Poch he would have been absolutely crucified on here,
There are certain people that they scapegoated, and Spurs fans in general tend to go for English players, or anyone with a connection to Arsenal, yet will give others a much easier run.
posted on 7/12/14
No previous scapegoats played yesterday
No Rose
No Kaboul
No Naughton
No Walker
No Capoue
No Townsend
No Adebayor
Yet still we looked an awful side.
Soldado and Kane looked woeful, but as has been the case with Adebayor, it's because the team set up is a shambles.
Even after Everton, there were still teams going about with Lamela at RM, so the fans really can't moan - they are as blind to it as Poch is.
No Lennon
posted on 7/12/14
How did Lennon play against Chelsea? Was he any good?
posted on 7/12/14
He did alright. has to take his part of the responsibility for the first, but he wasn't playing right back.
We played much better on Wednesday than we did yesterday though. Chelsea would have put 5 or 6 past us on that showing, it was diabolical.
posted on 7/12/14
I disagree RE Poch being lopsided but Sherwood not. Under Poch we look weak on the flanks but strong in the middle, under Sherwood we look weak in the middle but strong in the flanks. It is lopsided to play two CM's when one is Chadli, or Eriksen, or Siggurdson.
posted on 7/12/14
The way I look at it, Bolasie gave Dier an absolutely torrid time yesterday, much worse than Chiriches got from Eden Hazard, and he got no help whatsoever from Lamela.
Compare that to Everton the previous week, where we looked solid and assured, were closing down their left side well, and Chiriches was made to look a decent right back.
Lamela has his place, but for the life of me I don't see how anyone can be blind to the fact we need Lennon there if Dier, Chiriches or Naughton play right back
posted on 7/12/14
omment by Edinspur - Aaron Lennon <3 (U1109)
posted 2 minutes ago
I disagree RE Poch being lopsided but Sherwood not. Under Poch we look weak on the flanks but strong in the middle, under Sherwood we look weak in the middle but strong in the flanks. It is lopsided to play two CM's when one is Chadli, or Eriksen, or Siggurdson.
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If that happened every game I'd agree with you, butwe probably did that on about 2/3 occasions .
Poch has only got it right a couple of times, and the majority of times has it wrong
posted on 7/12/14
sherwood's team selections were ridiculous
poch's have sometimes been poor but more often than not we can see the plan.
sherwood was basically fortunate that he was in ade's good books and after being out in the cold ade was like a new signing, and also eriksen had now adapted to the league and was starting to shine.
we were basically ade plus eriksen, and that was it - two players in a rich vein of form.
no structure, no plan, no nothing. not sustainable. thats why 90% of spurs fans did not want sherwood to continue into this season
posted on 7/12/14
Lamela is pretty much finished for me now for league games!!
If he can't make a difference against a team like palace/WBA then what's the point of him!
posted on 7/12/14
He is so desperate to use his left foot.
The only place for him is left midfield for me, but even then we have better options coming in from the left.
If we get a good offer, anywhere around the 15/20m mark, I'd snap your hand off
posted on 7/12/14
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 11 minutes ago
omment by Edinspur - Aaron Lennon <3 (U1109)
posted 2 minutes ago
I disagree RE Poch being lopsided but Sherwood not. Under Poch we look weak on the flanks but strong in the middle, under Sherwood we look weak in the middle but strong in the flanks. It is lopsided to play two CM's when one is Chadli, or Eriksen, or Siggurdson.
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If that happened every game I'd agree with you, butwe probably did that on about 2/3 occasions .
Poch has only got it right a couple of times, and the majority of times has it wrong
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VS WHU & Saints (first two games) he played Siggs in a nonsensical midfield two.
Against WBA he played a ridiculous bank of four that comprised of Holtby/Eriksen/Siggs/Chadli.
Against Chelsea he played the most unbalanced team I have seen in a long time.
Vs Southampton again Siggs played 45 mins in a midfield two.
Vs Liverpool it was Bentaleb/Siggs for the game.
Vs Sunderland it was Chadli/Paulinho
Vs WBA it was the same Chadli/Paulinho combo
and again vs Fulham & Stoke
Paulinho/Siggs against WHU 2-0
I count that as 11 times that we played an unbalanced midfield under Sherwood, which is exactly my point. I don't mind Poch criticism's as he has made quite a few glaring errors already, but it is bizarre to be so short-sided when it came to the equally error-prone Sherwood.
posted on 7/12/14
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 33 minutes ago
He did alright. has to take his part of the responsibility for the first, but he wasn't playing right back.
We played much better on Wednesday than we did yesterday though. Chelsea would have put 5 or 6 past us on that showing, it was diabolical.
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That's the thing though, we seem to be more geared up for games against opposition like City, Everton and Chelsea. Play us against some lower league team in not so good form and we don't turn up.
posted on 7/12/14
I suppose the major difference is that Sherwood still picked up results in some of the games he did it - winning 5 of the 11.
And in the games he didn't, we picked up lots of points.
Whereas under Poch we have looked much worse, and unconvincing for the majority of the games
posted on 7/12/14
Sherwood came in when there was no pressure in the league and the few high-pressure games (cup games) we did play in, we capitulated.
posted on 7/12/14
Does anyone honestly think that Sherwood with Spurs would challenge for titles and top 4, longterm?
posted on 7/12/14
comment by Edinspur - Aaron Lennon <3 (U1109)
posted 3 minutes ago
Sherwood came in when there was no pressure in the league and the few high-pressure games (cup games) we did play in, we capitulated.
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What about the pressure the fans had him under? The general feeling of dislike towards him.
It's a bit of a cop out to say no pressure. Was Poch under pressure really? Nobody expected anything amazing this season, mostvhappy with top 7 and improving performances, and he has had an awful lot of leeway early on.
Give Sherwood his credit - he knew how to get results against teams outside the top four. If we could replicate that now we'd be in the top four ourselves, and quite comfortably
posted on 7/12/14
Give Sherwood his credit - he knew how to get results against teams outside the top four. I
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if you look at AVB's full tenure, then so did he….
sherwood deserves credit for bringing through bentaleb and giving kane a shot.
thats about it
posted on 7/12/14
Give Sherwood his credit - he knew how to get results against teams outside the top four. If we could replicate that now we'd be in the top four ourselves, and quite comfortably
_
Except for WHU, or WBA, or a few others.
I think Sherwood was actually exactly what was needed for this club as an Interim manager. He told all the egos off, made everyone realise that they are droppable, and blooded through some youngsters that have really excelled this season (Kane/Bentaleb).
I don't think he had it in him to progress us.
posted on 7/12/14
Haha thanks for replying though.
So what you are basically saying is that Sherwood is better than Poch?
Thanks for clearing that up.
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At this moment in time YOU would be a better option than MP and IMO you are totally clueless.
MP may given time get it right Sherwood would never have got it right in a million years which is why he is still out of work.
sandy
Whats up mate taking things personally I thought it was pure banter and wind ups on this board that what you told me a long while back and now you are getting all upset
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