Well for starters Cahill isnt a patch on Carvalho!!!
We had two decent wide men in 2004/05 who could both score and assist.
We still need a Hazard equivalent on the right.
More flair less power, this team is little more fluid and has more angles of attack with Fabregas deeper and three creative players advanced. Our past team would stream roller the opposition, was less fluid and more machine like, contains then looks either for the pace of Robben or Drogba with the second balls for Lampas to arrive on to. Both teams like to play through the middle.
Do you think the time scale that this squad has been together is relevant , and next year the side may be comparable ?
Better defence, better midfield, better attack.
But this is a younger team and one I’d imagine we’ll still add a world class player of Jose’s picking to each year. Just as they are they’ll improve year on year. Terry is really the only player not getting better and actually he's playing his best football in years right now.
And not forgetting we had Steve Clarke organising our unpenetrable defence! Steve was fantastic.
vava, yeah Steve Clarke and Jose creating an impenetrable defence.
That team also had a prime Lampard banging in goals for fun.
-LB we had gallas, who was unbelievably good, had a meltdown at arsenal though. We now play a very good RB at LB.
-CB. cahill is very good, been shaky this year, but very good. But is nothing on carvahlo.
-CB. JT is better than JT now.
RB- a CB at right back but still better than our weak link then Ferreira
LM-Hazard is too inconsistent, doesnt do enough in big games and wont win us games on his own enough like duff,robben,joe cole, lampard did.Duff was the much more consistent player without having the obvious talent.
CM- Matic and Fab are good but still a new partnership. Lampard in his heyday covered the most miles in a game too, fab cant do that.
Nothing on makelele and Frank...YET
RM- Robben over whoever we have
ST- Costa started off on fire but still settling and fitness issues. We had gudjohnsen, crespo, drogba and even failures like sheva and kezman to choose from.
There you go
comment by The Droog (U17596)
posted 17 minutes ago
More flair less power, this team is little more fluid and has more angles of attack with Fabregas deeper and three creative players advanced. Our past team would stream roller the opposition, was less fluid and more machine like, contains then looks either for the pace of Robben or Drogba with the second balls for Lampas to arrive on to. Both teams like to play through the middle.
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Complete balderdash, our 04-05 season after the first 10 games or so and when robben got fit was the most fluid we have been since about 98.
Two flying wingers, the quickest DM of playing forward passes in makelele, a great ball playing CB in carvahlo and flair players like gudjohnsen and lamps in his prime.
POWER,PACE and FLAIR
So 04/05 team was definitely better then
comment by The Droog (U17596)
posted 16 minutes ago
But this is a younger team and one I’d imagine we’ll still add a world class player of Jose’s picking to each year. Just as they are they’ll improve year on year. Terry is really the only player not getting better and actually he's playing his best football in years right now.
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last year this was true. him or cahill havent been too clever this season IMO
I personally believe next season will be the hiatus for this squad, but we are defiantly in with a decent shot at the title this year and should make the at least the semis in Europe.
A domestic cup would work wonders for the morale .
yeah, id love to see a domestic cup this year.
comment by Nickalopodis-BoomsObsession (U9257)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by The Droog (U17596)
posted 17 minutes ago
More flair less power, this team is little more fluid and has more angles of attack with Fabregas deeper and three creative players advanced. Our past team would stream roller the opposition, was less fluid and more machine like, contains then looks either for the pace of Robben or Drogba with the second balls for Lampas to arrive on to. Both teams like to play through the middle.
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Complete balderdash, our 04-05 season after the first 10 games or so and when robben got fit was the most fluid we have been since about 98.
Two flying wingers, the quickest DM of playing forward passes in makelele, a great ball playing CB in carvahlo and flair players like gudjohnsen and lamps in his prime.
POWER,PACE and FLAIR
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Yeah of course we had it all but it still gives a little flair away in favour of power compared to our current team. Lampard, Makele and one of Eidur or Tiago in midfield, then tow of Robenn, Duff or Cole and Drogs up front, we've effectivley got an extra flair player in the side now playing Fabregas deeper and Oscar in for Lamps, plus Costa is more of a flair player than Drogba, certainly when he was younger.
Carvaliho, Terry, Lampard, Makalele, Robben,Crespo & Drogba.
There is a lot of power in that group something this younger squad group haven't yet achieved .
the 04 05 was just better in all depts. power and flair too.
Iffy
JT was still on his way up.
We had a box to box goal machine.
We had a guy who has a position named after him
And at this moment i'd rather have a 19/20 year old Robben bombing down that left side.
We had better back-up strikers back then (but barely) but Costa is better than any of Drogba/Gudjohnsen/Kezman were.
CSTP
if you mean in 04/05 possibly.
But if this was the CL Semi Final and it were a choice between a fully focused/peak Drogba or Costa. Who'd you choose?
comment by The Droog (U17596)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Nickalopodis-BoomsObsession (U9257)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by The Droog (U17596)
posted 17 minutes ago
More flair less power, this team is little more fluid and has more angles of attack with Fabregas deeper and three creative players advanced. Our past team would stream roller the opposition, was less fluid and more machine like, contains then looks either for the pace of Robben or Drogba with the second balls for Lampas to arrive on to. Both teams like to play through the middle.
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Complete balderdash, our 04-05 season after the first 10 games or so and when robben got fit was the most fluid we have been since about 98.
Two flying wingers, the quickest DM of playing forward passes in makelele, a great ball playing CB in carvahlo and flair players like gudjohnsen and lamps in his prime.
POWER,PACE and FLAIR
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Yeah of course we had it all but it still gives a little flair away in favour of power compared to our current team. Lampard, Makele and one of Eidur or Tiago in midfield, then tow of Robenn, Duff or Cole and Drogs up front, we've effectivley got an extra flair player in the side now playing Fabregas deeper and Oscar in for Lamps, plus Costa is more of a flair player than Drogba, certainly when he was younger.
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robben,duff,cole,carvahlo,gudjohnsen > hazard...and I cant think of another flair player we have. maybe fabregas. Would not consider oscar as a flair player, his best attribute is pressing.
We seem a lot weaker physically in midfield even though Makelele and Tiago weren't the biggest physically, Nor was Lampard I guess. We just seemed much more powerful in midfield, Could be down to the goals from Lampard. My combined team would be:
-----------------Cech----------------
Ivanovic Carvalho Terry Gallas
----------Makelele Matic----------
---Robben Lampard Hazard---
----------------Drogba--------------
Only 4 players from this current side get into that combined side, I'm not including Drogba and Cech as they aren't starters and get limited game time.
No doubting the 04/05 team was better.
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posted on 12/12/14
Well for starters Cahill isnt a patch on Carvalho!!!
posted on 12/12/14
We had two decent wide men in 2004/05 who could both score and assist.
We still need a Hazard equivalent on the right.
posted on 12/12/14
More flair less power, this team is little more fluid and has more angles of attack with Fabregas deeper and three creative players advanced. Our past team would stream roller the opposition, was less fluid and more machine like, contains then looks either for the pace of Robben or Drogba with the second balls for Lampas to arrive on to. Both teams like to play through the middle.
posted on 12/12/14
you had a better squad
posted on 12/12/14
Do you think the time scale that this squad has been together is relevant , and next year the side may be comparable ?
posted on 12/12/14
Better defence, better midfield, better attack.
posted on 12/12/14
But this is a younger team and one I’d imagine we’ll still add a world class player of Jose’s picking to each year. Just as they are they’ll improve year on year. Terry is really the only player not getting better and actually he's playing his best football in years right now.
posted on 12/12/14
And not forgetting we had Steve Clarke organising our unpenetrable defence! Steve was fantastic.
posted on 12/12/14
vava, yeah Steve Clarke and Jose creating an impenetrable defence.
posted on 12/12/14
That team also had a prime Lampard banging in goals for fun.
posted on 12/12/14
-LB we had gallas, who was unbelievably good, had a meltdown at arsenal though. We now play a very good RB at LB.
-CB. cahill is very good, been shaky this year, but very good. But is nothing on carvahlo.
-CB. JT is better than JT now.
RB- a CB at right back but still better than our weak link then Ferreira
LM-Hazard is too inconsistent, doesnt do enough in big games and wont win us games on his own enough like duff,robben,joe cole, lampard did.Duff was the much more consistent player without having the obvious talent.
CM- Matic and Fab are good but still a new partnership. Lampard in his heyday covered the most miles in a game too, fab cant do that.
Nothing on makelele and Frank...YET
RM- Robben over whoever we have
ST- Costa started off on fire but still settling and fitness issues. We had gudjohnsen, crespo, drogba and even failures like sheva and kezman to choose from.
There you go
posted on 12/12/14
Thankyou Nick
posted on 12/12/14
comment by The Droog (U17596)
posted 17 minutes ago
More flair less power, this team is little more fluid and has more angles of attack with Fabregas deeper and three creative players advanced. Our past team would stream roller the opposition, was less fluid and more machine like, contains then looks either for the pace of Robben or Drogba with the second balls for Lampas to arrive on to. Both teams like to play through the middle.
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Complete balderdash, our 04-05 season after the first 10 games or so and when robben got fit was the most fluid we have been since about 98.
Two flying wingers, the quickest DM of playing forward passes in makelele, a great ball playing CB in carvahlo and flair players like gudjohnsen and lamps in his prime.
POWER,PACE and FLAIR
posted on 12/12/14
So 04/05 team was definitely better then
posted on 12/12/14
comment by The Droog (U17596)
posted 16 minutes ago
But this is a younger team and one I’d imagine we’ll still add a world class player of Jose’s picking to each year. Just as they are they’ll improve year on year. Terry is really the only player not getting better and actually he's playing his best football in years right now.
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last year this was true. him or cahill havent been too clever this season IMO
posted on 12/12/14
I personally believe next season will be the hiatus for this squad, but we are defiantly in with a decent shot at the title this year and should make the at least the semis in Europe.
A domestic cup would work wonders for the morale .
posted on 12/12/14
yeah, id love to see a domestic cup this year.
posted on 12/12/14
comment by Nickalopodis-BoomsObsession (U9257)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by The Droog (U17596)
posted 17 minutes ago
More flair less power, this team is little more fluid and has more angles of attack with Fabregas deeper and three creative players advanced. Our past team would stream roller the opposition, was less fluid and more machine like, contains then looks either for the pace of Robben or Drogba with the second balls for Lampas to arrive on to. Both teams like to play through the middle.
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Complete balderdash, our 04-05 season after the first 10 games or so and when robben got fit was the most fluid we have been since about 98.
Two flying wingers, the quickest DM of playing forward passes in makelele, a great ball playing CB in carvahlo and flair players like gudjohnsen and lamps in his prime.
POWER,PACE and FLAIR
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Yeah of course we had it all but it still gives a little flair away in favour of power compared to our current team. Lampard, Makele and one of Eidur or Tiago in midfield, then tow of Robenn, Duff or Cole and Drogs up front, we've effectivley got an extra flair player in the side now playing Fabregas deeper and Oscar in for Lamps, plus Costa is more of a flair player than Drogba, certainly when he was younger.
posted on 12/12/14
Carvaliho, Terry, Lampard, Makalele, Robben,Crespo & Drogba.
There is a lot of power in that group something this younger squad group haven't yet achieved .
posted on 12/12/14
the 04 05 was just better in all depts. power and flair too.
posted on 12/12/14
Iffy
JT was still on his way up.
We had a box to box goal machine.
We had a guy who has a position named after him
And at this moment i'd rather have a 19/20 year old Robben bombing down that left side.
posted on 12/12/14
We had better back-up strikers back then (but barely) but Costa is better than any of Drogba/Gudjohnsen/Kezman were.
posted on 12/12/14
CSTP
if you mean in 04/05 possibly.
But if this was the CL Semi Final and it were a choice between a fully focused/peak Drogba or Costa. Who'd you choose?
posted on 12/12/14
comment by The Droog (U17596)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Nickalopodis-BoomsObsession (U9257)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by The Droog (U17596)
posted 17 minutes ago
More flair less power, this team is little more fluid and has more angles of attack with Fabregas deeper and three creative players advanced. Our past team would stream roller the opposition, was less fluid and more machine like, contains then looks either for the pace of Robben or Drogba with the second balls for Lampas to arrive on to. Both teams like to play through the middle.
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Complete balderdash, our 04-05 season after the first 10 games or so and when robben got fit was the most fluid we have been since about 98.
Two flying wingers, the quickest DM of playing forward passes in makelele, a great ball playing CB in carvahlo and flair players like gudjohnsen and lamps in his prime.
POWER,PACE and FLAIR
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Yeah of course we had it all but it still gives a little flair away in favour of power compared to our current team. Lampard, Makele and one of Eidur or Tiago in midfield, then tow of Robenn, Duff or Cole and Drogs up front, we've effectivley got an extra flair player in the side now playing Fabregas deeper and Oscar in for Lamps, plus Costa is more of a flair player than Drogba, certainly when he was younger.
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robben,duff,cole,carvahlo,gudjohnsen > hazard...and I cant think of another flair player we have. maybe fabregas. Would not consider oscar as a flair player, his best attribute is pressing.
posted on 12/12/14
We seem a lot weaker physically in midfield even though Makelele and Tiago weren't the biggest physically, Nor was Lampard I guess. We just seemed much more powerful in midfield, Could be down to the goals from Lampard. My combined team would be:
-----------------Cech----------------
Ivanovic Carvalho Terry Gallas
----------Makelele Matic----------
---Robben Lampard Hazard---
----------------Drogba--------------
Only 4 players from this current side get into that combined side, I'm not including Drogba and Cech as they aren't starters and get limited game time.
No doubting the 04/05 team was better.
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