Should have put 5 past us? With what chances? That's exaggerating it a tad don't you think? You were good, but not nearly as good as many are making out.
A mourinho or a SAF in that situation would have made certain changes earlier
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What would they have done?
You actually created far better, numerous clear-cut chances against Man U. You had a lot of shots yesterday, but had few chances that were really clear-cut and should have been buried. In any case, that's about the weirdest, sloppiest passing performance I've EVER seen from Arsenal in the PL. Shame we couldn't take advantage of our good fortune.
However if you look at the way we played in the game, the way we dominated Arsenal's midfield, and the way we didn't allow them to retain possession,
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You do realise that all our first choice midfielders were out and Oxlade was playing with a groin injury?
Rodgers could have setup any tactic and your first choice midfield would have still dominated our unfit cobbled together one!
comment by FatJanMolby *I'm a boogie monster* (U4297)
posted 2 minutes ago
Im not an arsenal fan mate. Ifs buts and maybes aside my point was more about BR getting undeserved praise. He looked clueless and imo has done all season.
A mourinho or a SAF in that situation would have made certain changes earlier
The skrtl header was a laxadaisical arsenal defence not some brilliant tactics.
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Not everything has to be tactical brilliance. Skrtel's goal did come from poor defending, when they had one more man on the pitch. Skrtel should never have been left alone like that.
However if you look at the way we played in the game, the way we dominated Arsenal's midfield, and the way we didn't allow them to retain possession, then the credit has to go to BR for that as he set the team up to play like that. It wasn't a masterclass or tactically brilliant; no one has claimed it was, but give the manager some credit.
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How was the team setup different to say the last time?
Tactical brilliance comes not necessarily from how you set up but seeing a weakness and exploiting that ala mourinho when the opposition went down to 10. Even SAF sticking on another forward when losing, although not in the mourinho level, is tactics
BR did nothing and the desperation showed
Agree with the arsenal defence bit.
BR got lucky in a game he should have walked. There was no tactical brilliance
If you Liverpool fans were happy with that performance then be happy, but I was not worried for any sustained period of the match. Chesney remained largley untroubled.
I was embarrassed by our display and thankful we were not up against a more devastating team.
Of course when yous get a striker on the pitch that can change.
All you have to look at is that Arsenal probably played one of their worse games of the season and Liverpool one of their best.Yet it was down to a goal in the 97th minute that got Liverpool a home draw.
If you can't win games when you are playing at your best then you will struggle throughout the season
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 2 minutes ago
However if you look at the way we played in the game, the way we dominated Arsenal's midfield, and the way we didn't allow them to retain possession,
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You do realise that all our first choice midfielders were out and Oxlade was playing with a groin injury?
Rodgers could have setup any tactic and your first choice midfield would have still dominated our unfit cobbled together one!
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THIS
comment by Falmaria (U19849)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by FatJanMolby *I'm a boogie monster* (U4297)
posted 2 minutes ago
Im not an arsenal fan mate. Ifs buts and maybes aside my point was more about BR getting undeserved praise. He looked clueless and imo has done all season.
A mourinho or a SAF in that situation would have made certain changes earlier
The skrtl header was a laxadaisical arsenal defence not some brilliant tactics.
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Not everything has to be tactical brilliance. Skrtel's goal did come from poor defending, when they had one more man on the pitch. Skrtel should never have been left alone like that.
However if you look at the way we played in the game, the way we dominated Arsenal's midfield, and the way we didn't allow them to retain possession, then the credit has to go to BR for that as he set the team up to play like that. It wasn't a masterclass or tactically brilliant; no one has claimed it was, but give the manager some credit.
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How was the team setup different to say the last time?
Tactical brilliance comes not necessarily from how you set up but seeing a weakness and exploiting that ala mourinho when the opposition went down to 10. Even SAF sticking on another forward when losing, although not in the mourinho level, is tactics
BR did nothing and the desperation showed
Agree with the arsenal defence bit.
BR got lucky in a game he should have walked. There was no tactical brilliance
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But who is claiming tactical brilliance? No one other than you is mentioning it.
Very odd. You've raised the point and are arguing against it when no liverpool fan has claimed Rodgers to be tactically brilliant, only that we played quite well.
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 13 minutes ago
However if you look at the way we played in the game, the way we dominated Arsenal's midfield, and the way we didn't allow them to retain possession,
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You do realise that all our first choice midfielders were out and Oxlade was playing with a groin injury?
Rodgers could have setup any tactic and your first choice midfield would have still dominated our unfit cobbled together one!
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This is the point im trying to get at. I'm not saying that liverpool were bad, im just saying that there wasnt really a tactical masterclass. We had no ball retention in midfield. They couldnt even make 5 yard passes. We had he lowest posession in a game since god knows when. I honestly dont think that was completley down to liverpools tactics. Not a wum but we have played better teams than that liverpool yesterday side yesterday and it has never been as bad as yesterday.
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posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Falmaria (U19849)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by FatJanMolby *I'm a boogie monster* (U4297)
posted 2 minutes ago
Im not an arsenal fan mate. Ifs buts and maybes aside my point was more about BR getting undeserved praise. He looked clueless and imo has done all season.
A mourinho or a SAF in that situation would have made certain changes earlier
The skrtl header was a laxadaisical arsenal defence not some brilliant tactics.
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Not everything has to be tactical brilliance. Skrtel's goal did come from poor defending, when they had one more man on the pitch. Skrtel should never have been left alone like that.
However if you look at the way we played in the game, the way we dominated Arsenal's midfield, and the way we didn't allow them to retain possession, then the credit has to go to BR for that as he set the team up to play like that. It wasn't a masterclass or tactically brilliant; no one has claimed it was, but give the manager some credit.
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How was the team setup different to say the last time?
Tactical brilliance comes not necessarily from how you set up but seeing a weakness and exploiting that ala mourinho when the opposition went down to 10. Even SAF sticking on another forward when losing, although not in the mourinho level, is tactics
BR did nothing and the desperation showed
Agree with the arsenal defence bit.
BR got lucky in a game he should have walked. There was no tactical brilliance
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But who is claiming tactical brilliance? No one other than you is mentioning it.
Very odd. You've raised the point and are arguing against it when no liverpool fan has claimed Rodgers to be tactically brilliant, only that we played quite well.
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My initial response was to op. I agree with OP that the whole BR got tactics spot on is basically rubbish.
As i keep saying to you as well i havent suggested somr of what you are alleging. Even the liverpool fans bit is false, i was relating it more to the media and commentators
In a nutshell i believe BR showed his naivety and it is my premise that based on the last few games BR did not a lot different v arsenal in terms of team set up. Arsenal were dire but still should have got 3 points
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you've made your point. I don't understand why there was a whole article about it on the BBC either, I suppose Savage was just looking for something to write about.
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posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Falmaria (U19849)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by FatJanMolby *I'm a boogie monster* (U4297)
posted 2 minutes ago
Im not an arsenal fan mate. Ifs buts and maybes aside my point was more about BR getting undeserved praise. He looked clueless and imo has done all season.
A mourinho or a SAF in that situation would have made certain changes earlier
The skrtl header was a laxadaisical arsenal defence not some brilliant tactics.
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Not everything has to be tactical brilliance. Skrtel's goal did come from poor defending, when they had one more man on the pitch. Skrtel should never have been left alone like that.
However if you look at the way we played in the game, the way we dominated Arsenal's midfield, and the way we didn't allow them to retain possession, then the credit has to go to BR for that as he set the team up to play like that. It wasn't a masterclass or tactically brilliant; no one has claimed it was, but give the manager some credit.
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How was the team setup different to say the last time?
Tactical brilliance comes not necessarily from how you set up but seeing a weakness and exploiting that ala mourinho when the opposition went down to 10. Even SAF sticking on another forward when losing, although not in the mourinho level, is tactics
BR did nothing and the desperation showed
Agree with the arsenal defence bit.
BR got lucky in a game he should have walked. There was no tactical brilliance
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But who is claiming tactical brilliance? No one other than you is mentioning it.
Very odd. You've raised the point and are arguing against it when no liverpool fan has claimed Rodgers to be tactically brilliant, only that we played quite well.
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The point is more that there is such a media love-in/obsession with Liverpool that whether they win, lose or draw the media narrative always seems to focus on them, often praising them far beyond the results they achieve.
Yesterday they scrambled a draw, at home, against a weakened team, in the 97th minute, yet all the media focus is on how well they played.
They lose 3-0 at United, again the focus is on how many chances they missed (as if creating a chance in itself should give you points).
When they lost at home to Chelsea last season, and blew the title, the focus was on Chelsea's anti-football, as if it was somehow unfair that chelsea had ruined the nation's party by not rolling over....the bbc even ran a poll asking whether parking the bus was a fair tactic!
And that is why non-liverpool fans will always get a bit peeved when issues like this come up.
comment by righteous1 (U7048)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
You had the lowest possession and most shots conceded in any game for you since 2003 and you don't think that was ANYTHING to do with the opposition? It was only because you had a few players missing and NO OTHER reason?
Jog on clown.
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by FatJanMolby *I'm a boogie monster* (U4297)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Falmaria (U19849)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by FatJanMolby *I'm a boogie monster* (U4297)
posted 2 minutes ago
Im not an arsenal fan mate. Ifs buts and maybes aside my point was more about BR getting undeserved praise. He looked clueless and imo has done all season.
A mourinho or a SAF in that situation would have made certain changes earlier
The skrtl header was a laxadaisical arsenal defence not some brilliant tactics.
-----------------------
Not everything has to be tactical brilliance. Skrtel's goal did come from poor defending, when they had one more man on the pitch. Skrtel should never have been left alone like that.
However if you look at the way we played in the game, the way we dominated Arsenal's midfield, and the way we didn't allow them to retain possession, then the credit has to go to BR for that as he set the team up to play like that. It wasn't a masterclass or tactically brilliant; no one has claimed it was, but give the manager some credit.
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How was the team setup different to say the last time?
Tactical brilliance comes not necessarily from how you set up but seeing a weakness and exploiting that ala mourinho when the opposition went down to 10. Even SAF sticking on another forward when losing, although not in the mourinho level, is tactics
BR did nothing and the desperation showed
Agree with the arsenal defence bit.
BR got lucky in a game he should have walked. There was no tactical brilliance
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But who is claiming tactical brilliance? No one other than you is mentioning it.
Very odd. You've raised the point and are arguing against it when no liverpool fan has claimed Rodgers to be tactically brilliant, only that we played quite well.
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The point is more that there is such a media love-in/obsession with Liverpool that whether they win, lose or draw the media narrative always seems to focus on them, often praising them far beyond the results they achieve.
Yesterday they scrambled a draw, at home, against a weakened team, in the 97th minute, yet all the media focus is on how well they played.
They lose 3-0 at United, again the focus is on how many chances they missed (as if creating a chance in itself should give you points).
When they lost at home to Chelsea last season, and blew the title, the focus was on Chelsea's anti-football, as if it was somehow unfair that chelsea had ruined the nation's party by not rolling over....the bbc even ran a poll asking whether parking the bus was a fair tactic!
And that is why non-liverpool fans will always get a bit peeved when issues like this come up.
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Exactly.
the way the media is going on is as if they one the game. Not that they were 1 minute away from losing to a dire team.
I think its saying something that as bad as we have been for years ( i even think we played better in the 5-1 and that game i actually give BR credit for exposing the high line) im dissapointed with the dropped points.
Yeah. A few players in Ramsey, Wilshire and Arteta. That's practically our whole CM.
We had a poor Flamini and an unfit Ox who I don't even consider as a CM in there.
Not hard to dominate that midfield pairing. But do continue to convine yourself otherwise.
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posted 5 minutes ago
comment by righteous1 (U7048)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
You had the lowest possession and most shots conceded in any game for you since 2003 and you don't think that was ANYTHING to do with the opposition? It was only because you had a few players missing and NO OTHER reason?
Jog on clown.
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So you think brink brendan rodgers was the best manger to face us since 2003? The best manger to set up against us tactically since then? Lol thats all i have to say
Try reading his comment again you buffoon.
Nowhere does he say any of that rubbish you just spouted..
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posted 1 minute ago
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posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Falmaria (U19849)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by FatJanMolby *I'm a boogie monster* (U4297)
posted 2 minutes ago
Im not an arsenal fan mate. Ifs buts and maybes aside my point was more about BR getting undeserved praise. He looked clueless and imo has done all season.
A mourinho or a SAF in that situation would have made certain changes earlier
The skrtl header was a laxadaisical arsenal defence not some brilliant tactics.
-----------------------
Not everything has to be tactical brilliance. Skrtel's goal did come from poor defending, when they had one more man on the pitch. Skrtel should never have been left alone like that.
However if you look at the way we played in the game, the way we dominated Arsenal's midfield, and the way we didn't allow them to retain possession, then the credit has to go to BR for that as he set the team up to play like that. It wasn't a masterclass or tactically brilliant; no one has claimed it was, but give the manager some credit.
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How was the team setup different to say the last time?
Tactical brilliance comes not necessarily from how you set up but seeing a weakness and exploiting that ala mourinho when the opposition went down to 10. Even SAF sticking on another forward when losing, although not in the mourinho level, is tactics
BR did nothing and the desperation showed
Agree with the arsenal defence bit.
BR got lucky in a game he should have walked. There was no tactical brilliance
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But who is claiming tactical brilliance? No one other than you is mentioning it.
Very odd. You've raised the point and are arguing against it when no liverpool fan has claimed Rodgers to be tactically brilliant, only that we played quite well.
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The point is more that there is such a media love-in/obsession with Liverpool that whether they win, lose or draw the media narrative always seems to focus on them, often praising them far beyond the results they achieve.
Yesterday they scrambled a draw, at home, against a weakened team, in the 97th minute, yet all the media focus is on how well they played.
They lose 3-0 at United, again the focus is on how many chances they missed (as if creating a chance in itself should give you points).
When they lost at home to Chelsea last season, and blew the title, the focus was on Chelsea's anti-football, as if it was somehow unfair that chelsea had ruined the nation's party by not rolling over....the bbc even ran a poll asking whether parking the bus was a fair tactic!
And that is why non-liverpool fans will always get a bit peeved when issues like this come up.
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Exactly.
the way the media is going on is as if they one the game. Not that they were 1 minute away from losing to a dire team.
I think its saying something that as bad as we have been for years ( i even think we played better in the 5-1 and that game i actually give BR credit for exposing the high line) im dissapointed with the dropped points.
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You could always stop crying.....
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posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Sir Robert Paisley (U3823)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by righteous1 (U7048)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
You had the lowest possession and most shots conceded in any game for you since 2003 and you don't think that was ANYTHING to do with the opposition? It was only because you had a few players missing and NO OTHER reason?
Jog on clown.
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So you think brink brendan rodgers was the best manger to face us since 2003? The best manger to set up against us tactically since then? Lol thats all i have to say
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You've used a lot of words to 'lol'. The fact you use that saying speaks volumes for the sad fool you obviously are....
ago
You had the lowest possession and most shots conceded in any game for you since 2003 and you don't think that was ANYTHING to do with the opposition? It was only because you had a few players missing and NO OTHER reason?
Jog on clown.
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So you think brink brendan rodgers was the best manger to face us since 2003? The best manger to set up against us tactically since then? Lol thats all i have to say
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I don't think Brendan Rodgers would make a good manger at all.
Not very comfortable for little baby Jesus I wouldn't have thought, and frankly a person trying to be a manger would be frowned upon at the very least, and could quite feasibly constitute some kind of weird assault.
FatJanMolby
Tbh it was a bad result for Liverpool yesterday u killed us all game and were very lucky to get a draw it was us who who got the better result not you.
"Yes we were poor yesterday but look at the facts rather than saying "Brendan got tactics spot on". I wish people would open their eyes rather than just regurgitate what the see in the media"
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Tactics? No. Have a look at arsenals mid
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posted on 22/12/14
Should have put 5 past us? With what chances? That's exaggerating it a tad don't you think? You were good, but not nearly as good as many are making out.
posted on 22/12/14
A mourinho or a SAF in that situation would have made certain changes earlier
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What would they have done?
posted on 22/12/14
You actually created far better, numerous clear-cut chances against Man U. You had a lot of shots yesterday, but had few chances that were really clear-cut and should have been buried. In any case, that's about the weirdest, sloppiest passing performance I've EVER seen from Arsenal in the PL. Shame we couldn't take advantage of our good fortune.
posted on 22/12/14
However if you look at the way we played in the game, the way we dominated Arsenal's midfield, and the way we didn't allow them to retain possession,
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You do realise that all our first choice midfielders were out and Oxlade was playing with a groin injury?
Rodgers could have setup any tactic and your first choice midfield would have still dominated our unfit cobbled together one!
posted on 22/12/14
comment by FatJanMolby *I'm a boogie monster* (U4297)
posted 2 minutes ago
Im not an arsenal fan mate. Ifs buts and maybes aside my point was more about BR getting undeserved praise. He looked clueless and imo has done all season.
A mourinho or a SAF in that situation would have made certain changes earlier
The skrtl header was a laxadaisical arsenal defence not some brilliant tactics.
-----------------------
Not everything has to be tactical brilliance. Skrtel's goal did come from poor defending, when they had one more man on the pitch. Skrtel should never have been left alone like that.
However if you look at the way we played in the game, the way we dominated Arsenal's midfield, and the way we didn't allow them to retain possession, then the credit has to go to BR for that as he set the team up to play like that. It wasn't a masterclass or tactically brilliant; no one has claimed it was, but give the manager some credit.
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How was the team setup different to say the last time?
Tactical brilliance comes not necessarily from how you set up but seeing a weakness and exploiting that ala mourinho when the opposition went down to 10. Even SAF sticking on another forward when losing, although not in the mourinho level, is tactics
BR did nothing and the desperation showed
Agree with the arsenal defence bit.
BR got lucky in a game he should have walked. There was no tactical brilliance
posted on 22/12/14
If you Liverpool fans were happy with that performance then be happy, but I was not worried for any sustained period of the match. Chesney remained largley untroubled.
I was embarrassed by our display and thankful we were not up against a more devastating team.
Of course when yous get a striker on the pitch that can change.
posted on 22/12/14
All you have to look at is that Arsenal probably played one of their worse games of the season and Liverpool one of their best.Yet it was down to a goal in the 97th minute that got Liverpool a home draw.
If you can't win games when you are playing at your best then you will struggle throughout the season
posted on 22/12/14
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 2 minutes ago
However if you look at the way we played in the game, the way we dominated Arsenal's midfield, and the way we didn't allow them to retain possession,
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You do realise that all our first choice midfielders were out and Oxlade was playing with a groin injury?
Rodgers could have setup any tactic and your first choice midfield would have still dominated our unfit cobbled together one!
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THIS
posted on 22/12/14
comment by Falmaria (U19849)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by FatJanMolby *I'm a boogie monster* (U4297)
posted 2 minutes ago
Im not an arsenal fan mate. Ifs buts and maybes aside my point was more about BR getting undeserved praise. He looked clueless and imo has done all season.
A mourinho or a SAF in that situation would have made certain changes earlier
The skrtl header was a laxadaisical arsenal defence not some brilliant tactics.
-----------------------
Not everything has to be tactical brilliance. Skrtel's goal did come from poor defending, when they had one more man on the pitch. Skrtel should never have been left alone like that.
However if you look at the way we played in the game, the way we dominated Arsenal's midfield, and the way we didn't allow them to retain possession, then the credit has to go to BR for that as he set the team up to play like that. It wasn't a masterclass or tactically brilliant; no one has claimed it was, but give the manager some credit.
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How was the team setup different to say the last time?
Tactical brilliance comes not necessarily from how you set up but seeing a weakness and exploiting that ala mourinho when the opposition went down to 10. Even SAF sticking on another forward when losing, although not in the mourinho level, is tactics
BR did nothing and the desperation showed
Agree with the arsenal defence bit.
BR got lucky in a game he should have walked. There was no tactical brilliance
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But who is claiming tactical brilliance? No one other than you is mentioning it.
Very odd. You've raised the point and are arguing against it when no liverpool fan has claimed Rodgers to be tactically brilliant, only that we played quite well.
posted on 22/12/14
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 13 minutes ago
However if you look at the way we played in the game, the way we dominated Arsenal's midfield, and the way we didn't allow them to retain possession,
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You do realise that all our first choice midfielders were out and Oxlade was playing with a groin injury?
Rodgers could have setup any tactic and your first choice midfield would have still dominated our unfit cobbled together one!
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This is the point im trying to get at. I'm not saying that liverpool were bad, im just saying that there wasnt really a tactical masterclass. We had no ball retention in midfield. They couldnt even make 5 yard passes. We had he lowest posession in a game since god knows when. I honestly dont think that was completley down to liverpools tactics. Not a wum but we have played better teams than that liverpool yesterday side yesterday and it has never been as bad as yesterday.
posted on 22/12/14
comment by FatJanMolby *I'm a boogie monster* (U4297)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Falmaria (U19849)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by FatJanMolby *I'm a boogie monster* (U4297)
posted 2 minutes ago
Im not an arsenal fan mate. Ifs buts and maybes aside my point was more about BR getting undeserved praise. He looked clueless and imo has done all season.
A mourinho or a SAF in that situation would have made certain changes earlier
The skrtl header was a laxadaisical arsenal defence not some brilliant tactics.
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Not everything has to be tactical brilliance. Skrtel's goal did come from poor defending, when they had one more man on the pitch. Skrtel should never have been left alone like that.
However if you look at the way we played in the game, the way we dominated Arsenal's midfield, and the way we didn't allow them to retain possession, then the credit has to go to BR for that as he set the team up to play like that. It wasn't a masterclass or tactically brilliant; no one has claimed it was, but give the manager some credit.
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How was the team setup different to say the last time?
Tactical brilliance comes not necessarily from how you set up but seeing a weakness and exploiting that ala mourinho when the opposition went down to 10. Even SAF sticking on another forward when losing, although not in the mourinho level, is tactics
BR did nothing and the desperation showed
Agree with the arsenal defence bit.
BR got lucky in a game he should have walked. There was no tactical brilliance
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But who is claiming tactical brilliance? No one other than you is mentioning it.
Very odd. You've raised the point and are arguing against it when no liverpool fan has claimed Rodgers to be tactically brilliant, only that we played quite well.
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My initial response was to op. I agree with OP that the whole BR got tactics spot on is basically rubbish.
As i keep saying to you as well i havent suggested somr of what you are alleging. Even the liverpool fans bit is false, i was relating it more to the media and commentators
In a nutshell i believe BR showed his naivety and it is my premise that based on the last few games BR did not a lot different v arsenal in terms of team set up. Arsenal were dire but still should have got 3 points
posted on 22/12/14
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posted on 22/12/14
you've made your point. I don't understand why there was a whole article about it on the BBC either, I suppose Savage was just looking for something to write about.
posted on 22/12/14
comment by FatJanMolby *I'm a boogie monster* (U4297)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Falmaria (U19849)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by FatJanMolby *I'm a boogie monster* (U4297)
posted 2 minutes ago
Im not an arsenal fan mate. Ifs buts and maybes aside my point was more about BR getting undeserved praise. He looked clueless and imo has done all season.
A mourinho or a SAF in that situation would have made certain changes earlier
The skrtl header was a laxadaisical arsenal defence not some brilliant tactics.
-----------------------
Not everything has to be tactical brilliance. Skrtel's goal did come from poor defending, when they had one more man on the pitch. Skrtel should never have been left alone like that.
However if you look at the way we played in the game, the way we dominated Arsenal's midfield, and the way we didn't allow them to retain possession, then the credit has to go to BR for that as he set the team up to play like that. It wasn't a masterclass or tactically brilliant; no one has claimed it was, but give the manager some credit.
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How was the team setup different to say the last time?
Tactical brilliance comes not necessarily from how you set up but seeing a weakness and exploiting that ala mourinho when the opposition went down to 10. Even SAF sticking on another forward when losing, although not in the mourinho level, is tactics
BR did nothing and the desperation showed
Agree with the arsenal defence bit.
BR got lucky in a game he should have walked. There was no tactical brilliance
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But who is claiming tactical brilliance? No one other than you is mentioning it.
Very odd. You've raised the point and are arguing against it when no liverpool fan has claimed Rodgers to be tactically brilliant, only that we played quite well.
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The point is more that there is such a media love-in/obsession with Liverpool that whether they win, lose or draw the media narrative always seems to focus on them, often praising them far beyond the results they achieve.
Yesterday they scrambled a draw, at home, against a weakened team, in the 97th minute, yet all the media focus is on how well they played.
They lose 3-0 at United, again the focus is on how many chances they missed (as if creating a chance in itself should give you points).
When they lost at home to Chelsea last season, and blew the title, the focus was on Chelsea's anti-football, as if it was somehow unfair that chelsea had ruined the nation's party by not rolling over....the bbc even ran a poll asking whether parking the bus was a fair tactic!
And that is why non-liverpool fans will always get a bit peeved when issues like this come up.
posted on 22/12/14
comment by righteous1 (U7048)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
You had the lowest possession and most shots conceded in any game for you since 2003 and you don't think that was ANYTHING to do with the opposition? It was only because you had a few players missing and NO OTHER reason?
Jog on clown.
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posted on 22/12/14
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posted 1 minute ago
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comment by Falmaria (U19849)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by FatJanMolby *I'm a boogie monster* (U4297)
posted 2 minutes ago
Im not an arsenal fan mate. Ifs buts and maybes aside my point was more about BR getting undeserved praise. He looked clueless and imo has done all season.
A mourinho or a SAF in that situation would have made certain changes earlier
The skrtl header was a laxadaisical arsenal defence not some brilliant tactics.
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Not everything has to be tactical brilliance. Skrtel's goal did come from poor defending, when they had one more man on the pitch. Skrtel should never have been left alone like that.
However if you look at the way we played in the game, the way we dominated Arsenal's midfield, and the way we didn't allow them to retain possession, then the credit has to go to BR for that as he set the team up to play like that. It wasn't a masterclass or tactically brilliant; no one has claimed it was, but give the manager some credit.
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How was the team setup different to say the last time?
Tactical brilliance comes not necessarily from how you set up but seeing a weakness and exploiting that ala mourinho when the opposition went down to 10. Even SAF sticking on another forward when losing, although not in the mourinho level, is tactics
BR did nothing and the desperation showed
Agree with the arsenal defence bit.
BR got lucky in a game he should have walked. There was no tactical brilliance
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But who is claiming tactical brilliance? No one other than you is mentioning it.
Very odd. You've raised the point and are arguing against it when no liverpool fan has claimed Rodgers to be tactically brilliant, only that we played quite well.
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The point is more that there is such a media love-in/obsession with Liverpool that whether they win, lose or draw the media narrative always seems to focus on them, often praising them far beyond the results they achieve.
Yesterday they scrambled a draw, at home, against a weakened team, in the 97th minute, yet all the media focus is on how well they played.
They lose 3-0 at United, again the focus is on how many chances they missed (as if creating a chance in itself should give you points).
When they lost at home to Chelsea last season, and blew the title, the focus was on Chelsea's anti-football, as if it was somehow unfair that chelsea had ruined the nation's party by not rolling over....the bbc even ran a poll asking whether parking the bus was a fair tactic!
And that is why non-liverpool fans will always get a bit peeved when issues like this come up.
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Exactly.
the way the media is going on is as if they one the game. Not that they were 1 minute away from losing to a dire team.
I think its saying something that as bad as we have been for years ( i even think we played better in the 5-1 and that game i actually give BR credit for exposing the high line) im dissapointed with the dropped points.
posted on 22/12/14
Yeah. A few players in Ramsey, Wilshire and Arteta. That's practically our whole CM.
We had a poor Flamini and an unfit Ox who I don't even consider as a CM in there.
Not hard to dominate that midfield pairing. But do continue to convine yourself otherwise.
posted on 22/12/14
comment by Sir Robert Paisley (U3823)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by righteous1 (U7048)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
You had the lowest possession and most shots conceded in any game for you since 2003 and you don't think that was ANYTHING to do with the opposition? It was only because you had a few players missing and NO OTHER reason?
Jog on clown.
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So you think brink brendan rodgers was the best manger to face us since 2003? The best manger to set up against us tactically since then? Lol thats all i have to say
posted on 22/12/14
Try reading his comment again you buffoon.
Nowhere does he say any of that rubbish you just spouted..
posted on 22/12/14
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posted on 22/12/14
comment by (U15194)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FatJanMolby *I'm a boogie monster* (U4297)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Falmaria (U19849)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by FatJanMolby *I'm a boogie monster* (U4297)
posted 2 minutes ago
Im not an arsenal fan mate. Ifs buts and maybes aside my point was more about BR getting undeserved praise. He looked clueless and imo has done all season.
A mourinho or a SAF in that situation would have made certain changes earlier
The skrtl header was a laxadaisical arsenal defence not some brilliant tactics.
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Not everything has to be tactical brilliance. Skrtel's goal did come from poor defending, when they had one more man on the pitch. Skrtel should never have been left alone like that.
However if you look at the way we played in the game, the way we dominated Arsenal's midfield, and the way we didn't allow them to retain possession, then the credit has to go to BR for that as he set the team up to play like that. It wasn't a masterclass or tactically brilliant; no one has claimed it was, but give the manager some credit.
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How was the team setup different to say the last time?
Tactical brilliance comes not necessarily from how you set up but seeing a weakness and exploiting that ala mourinho when the opposition went down to 10. Even SAF sticking on another forward when losing, although not in the mourinho level, is tactics
BR did nothing and the desperation showed
Agree with the arsenal defence bit.
BR got lucky in a game he should have walked. There was no tactical brilliance
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But who is claiming tactical brilliance? No one other than you is mentioning it.
Very odd. You've raised the point and are arguing against it when no liverpool fan has claimed Rodgers to be tactically brilliant, only that we played quite well.
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The point is more that there is such a media love-in/obsession with Liverpool that whether they win, lose or draw the media narrative always seems to focus on them, often praising them far beyond the results they achieve.
Yesterday they scrambled a draw, at home, against a weakened team, in the 97th minute, yet all the media focus is on how well they played.
They lose 3-0 at United, again the focus is on how many chances they missed (as if creating a chance in itself should give you points).
When they lost at home to Chelsea last season, and blew the title, the focus was on Chelsea's anti-football, as if it was somehow unfair that chelsea had ruined the nation's party by not rolling over....the bbc even ran a poll asking whether parking the bus was a fair tactic!
And that is why non-liverpool fans will always get a bit peeved when issues like this come up.
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Exactly.
the way the media is going on is as if they one the game. Not that they were 1 minute away from losing to a dire team.
I think its saying something that as bad as we have been for years ( i even think we played better in the 5-1 and that game i actually give BR credit for exposing the high line) im dissapointed with the dropped points.
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You could always stop crying.....
posted on 22/12/14
comment by (U15194)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Sir Robert Paisley (U3823)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by righteous1 (U7048)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
You had the lowest possession and most shots conceded in any game for you since 2003 and you don't think that was ANYTHING to do with the opposition? It was only because you had a few players missing and NO OTHER reason?
Jog on clown.
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So you think brink brendan rodgers was the best manger to face us since 2003? The best manger to set up against us tactically since then? Lol thats all i have to say
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You've used a lot of words to 'lol'. The fact you use that saying speaks volumes for the sad fool you obviously are....
posted on 22/12/14
ago
You had the lowest possession and most shots conceded in any game for you since 2003 and you don't think that was ANYTHING to do with the opposition? It was only because you had a few players missing and NO OTHER reason?
Jog on clown.
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So you think brink brendan rodgers was the best manger to face us since 2003? The best manger to set up against us tactically since then? Lol thats all i have to say
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I don't think Brendan Rodgers would make a good manger at all.
Not very comfortable for little baby Jesus I wouldn't have thought, and frankly a person trying to be a manger would be frowned upon at the very least, and could quite feasibly constitute some kind of weird assault.
posted on 22/12/14
FatJanMolby
Tbh it was a bad result for Liverpool yesterday u killed us all game and were very lucky to get a draw it was us who who got the better result not you.
posted on 22/12/14
"Yes we were poor yesterday but look at the facts rather than saying "Brendan got tactics spot on". I wish people would open their eyes rather than just regurgitate what the see in the media"
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