West Ham were always going to try piling balls into the box. The solution was to push them back into their own half to restrict their crossing opportunities.
Instead the substitutions just invited them on
"Even with those in the team, Arsenal haven't really looked great at possession football. This
new style is the way forward, suits everyone especially the forwards"
Until the Liverpool game, Arsenal were top of the league in average possession. Since Ramsey's injury (with Arteta and Wilshere already out), we've been far less dominant in midfield.
comment by Sir Digby - ALL HAIL PRINCE WELBECK - GDL (U6039)
posted 11 seconds ago
instead he brought on deenders to help defending...what an idiot
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I didn't call Wenger an idiot. And dropping everyone back by bringing on defenders can invite pressure - which is what happened.
comment by trigg_27 - Don't talk to me about suffering - I support Arsenal (U6906)
posted 24 seconds ago
West Ham were always going to try piling balls into the box. The solution was to push them back into their own half to restrict their crossing opportunities.
Instead the substitutions just invited them on
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Completely agree.
pressure didn't matter, the tactic worked
comment by Sir Digby - ALL HAIL PRINCE WELBECK - GDL (U6039)
posted less than a minute ago
pressure didn't matter, the tactic worked
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????? WUM attempt? We won the game inspite of those tactics. Every minute that passed by they looked more of a threat and we looked less a threat.
I don't understand why Wenger makes the same subs every game, especially after they blew up in his face vs Liverpool
Why are people saying we parked the bus ?
We are totally incapable of parking the bus, our defence is not physically or mentally strong enough - and of course at the other end we could have had 5 goals in the second half but for great keeping and our usual profligate finishing...
Mourinho is such a muppet when his team drops points
comment by Panda Eyes strikes again (U8398)
posted about a minute ago
Did sagna play today?
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Nope
parking the bus is just defending, thats how weve finished the last 2 games
comment by Genius at work, his name is Thierry Henry (U18355)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Sir Digby - ALL HAIL PRINCE WELBECK - GDL (U6039)
posted less than a minute ago
pressure didn't matter, the tactic worked
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????? WUM attempt? We won the game inspite of those tactics. Every minute that passed by they looked more of a threat and we looked less a threat.
I don't understand why Wenger makes the same subs every game, especially after they blew up in his face vs Liverpool
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as in the 2 games since then the tactic has work both times
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Panda Eyes strikes again (U8398)
posted about a minute ago
Did sagna play today?
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Nope
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Injured?
comment by Sir Digby - ALL HAIL PRINCE WELBECK - GDL (U6039)
posted less than a minute ago
parking the bus is just defending, thats how weve finished the last 2 games
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And we are not good at it allthough we had enough luck the last two games with it. Attack is the best defend. Finish them off and they calm down.
comment by Panda Eyes strikes again (U8398)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Panda Eyes strikes again (U8398)
posted about a minute ago
Did sagna play today?
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Nope
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Injured?
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On the bench
comment by Genius at work, his name is Thierry Henry (U18355)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sir Digby - ALL HAIL PRINCE WELBECK - GDL (U6039)
posted less than a minute ago
pressure didn't matter, the tactic worked
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????? WUM attempt? We won the game inspite of those tactics. Every minute that passed by they looked more of a threat and we looked less a threat.
I don't understand why Wenger makes the same subs every game, especially after they blew up in his face vs Liverpool
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This - we got completely pinned back against Liverpool and we lost it. Similarly, we lost points against Anderlecht when we tried to sit back, and we almost lost points again in the last two games.
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Panda Eyes strikes again (U8398)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Panda Eyes strikes again (U8398)
posted about a minute ago
Did sagna play today?
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Nope
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Injured?
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On the bench
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What a waste!
just celebrate the win stop moaning for one match
comment by DaStuDogg (U9291)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Genius at work, his name is Thierry Henry (U18355)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sir Digby - ALL HAIL PRINCE WELBECK - GDL (U6039)
posted less than a minute ago
pressure didn't matter, the tactic worked
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????? WUM attempt? We won the game inspite of those tactics. Every minute that passed by they looked more of a threat and we looked less a threat.
I don't understand why Wenger makes the same subs every game, especially after they blew up in his face vs Liverpool
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This - we got completely pinned back against Liverpool and we lost it. Similarly, we lost points against Anderlecht when we tried to sit back, and we almost lost points again in the last two games.
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Can't complain about the Anderlecht draw. Dortmund probably wish we had won.
comment by The Grand Cannon (U18697)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by DaStuDogg (U9291)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Genius at work, his name is Thierry Henry (U18355)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sir Digby - ALL HAIL PRINCE WELBECK - GDL (U6039)
posted less than a minute ago
pressure didn't matter, the tactic worked
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????? WUM attempt? We won the game inspite of those tactics. Every minute that passed by they looked more of a threat and we looked less a threat.
I don't understand why Wenger makes the same subs every game, especially after they blew up in his face vs Liverpool
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This - we got completely pinned back against Liverpool and we lost it. Similarly, we lost points against Anderlecht when we tried to sit back, and we almost lost points again in the last two games.
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Can't complain about the Anderlecht draw. Dortmund probably wish we had won.
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Haha! True!
And Godfather, I'm not moaning. Myself and others made a point during the match that reducing our pace and energy from our more attacking players invited pressure - this argument was criticised so I (and others) have responded - and the debate has spilled over past FT.
Delighted to have won, but a big part of this forum is discussing the tactical side of the game, so I don't see anything wrong with questioning certain tactical decisions.
super important win for us.
But it seems like you are just moaning for the sake of it. At the end of the day regardless of what subs we make, west ham or any team are going to go for it in last five mins of the game. we are going to invite pressure no matter what so why not bring on defensive players? it worked superbly for us last season having 4 full backs on.
comment by The Godfather (U10154)
posted 2 minutes ago
But it seems like you are just moaning for the sake of it. At the end of the day regardless of what subs we make, west ham or any team are going to go for it in last five mins of the game. we are going to invite pressure no matter what so why not bring on defensive players? it worked superbly for us last season having 4 full backs on.
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I'm not moaning for the sake of it. I'm probably one of the more sympathetic posters to Wenger's cause (I didn't criticise the Monreal CB decision, nor the Debuchy one, nor the decision to sign Welbeck (which was pretty unpopular at first) all of which would have been easy to do given the criticism he was receiving for it at the time....if I'd wanted to moan for the sake of it, these would have been perfect opportunities).
But this is a forum to discuss football, so I don't see what's wrong with questioning tactical changes if you don't agree with them.
There's always going to be pressure in that situation, but attacking pace can at the very least help relieve it, whether it's through pressing their deeper players (cutting off the angles with which they have to launch balls into the box), running in-behind to provide an outlet to our long-balls/clearances, or even just using their pace and energy to help make up ground, close-down players, track-back etc.
If you don't agree with that, that's fine - I respect your opinion and these sort of discussions are what this place is all about - but I don't think it's fair to dismiss these points as moaning.
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posted on 28/12/14
West Ham were always going to try piling balls into the box. The solution was to push them back into their own half to restrict their crossing opportunities.
Instead the substitutions just invited them on
posted on 28/12/14
"Even with those in the team, Arsenal haven't really looked great at possession football. This
new style is the way forward, suits everyone especially the forwards"
Until the Liverpool game, Arsenal were top of the league in average possession. Since Ramsey's injury (with Arteta and Wilshere already out), we've been far less dominant in midfield.
posted on 28/12/14
comment by Sir Digby - ALL HAIL PRINCE WELBECK - GDL (U6039)
posted 11 seconds ago
instead he brought on deenders to help defending...what an idiot
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I didn't call Wenger an idiot. And dropping everyone back by bringing on defenders can invite pressure - which is what happened.
posted on 28/12/14
comment by trigg_27 - Don't talk to me about suffering - I support Arsenal (U6906)
posted 24 seconds ago
West Ham were always going to try piling balls into the box. The solution was to push them back into their own half to restrict their crossing opportunities.
Instead the substitutions just invited them on
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Completely agree.
posted on 28/12/14
pressure didn't matter, the tactic worked
posted on 28/12/14
Did sagna play today?
posted on 28/12/14
comment by Sir Digby - ALL HAIL PRINCE WELBECK - GDL (U6039)
posted less than a minute ago
pressure didn't matter, the tactic worked
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????? WUM attempt? We won the game inspite of those tactics. Every minute that passed by they looked more of a threat and we looked less a threat.
I don't understand why Wenger makes the same subs every game, especially after they blew up in his face vs Liverpool
posted on 28/12/14
Why are people saying we parked the bus ?
We are totally incapable of parking the bus, our defence is not physically or mentally strong enough - and of course at the other end we could have had 5 goals in the second half but for great keeping and our usual profligate finishing...
posted on 28/12/14
Mourinho is such a muppet when his team drops points
posted on 28/12/14
comment by Panda Eyes strikes again (U8398)
posted about a minute ago
Did sagna play today?
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Nope
posted on 28/12/14
parking the bus is just defending, thats how weve finished the last 2 games
posted on 28/12/14
comment by Genius at work, his name is Thierry Henry (U18355)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Sir Digby - ALL HAIL PRINCE WELBECK - GDL (U6039)
posted less than a minute ago
pressure didn't matter, the tactic worked
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????? WUM attempt? We won the game inspite of those tactics. Every minute that passed by they looked more of a threat and we looked less a threat.
I don't understand why Wenger makes the same subs every game, especially after they blew up in his face vs Liverpool
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as in the 2 games since then the tactic has work both times
posted on 28/12/14
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Panda Eyes strikes again (U8398)
posted about a minute ago
Did sagna play today?
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Nope
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Injured?
posted on 28/12/14
comment by Sir Digby - ALL HAIL PRINCE WELBECK - GDL (U6039)
posted less than a minute ago
parking the bus is just defending, thats how weve finished the last 2 games
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And we are not good at it allthough we had enough luck the last two games with it. Attack is the best defend. Finish them off and they calm down.
posted on 28/12/14
comment by Panda Eyes strikes again (U8398)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Panda Eyes strikes again (U8398)
posted about a minute ago
Did sagna play today?
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Nope
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Injured?
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On the bench
posted on 28/12/14
comment by Genius at work, his name is Thierry Henry (U18355)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sir Digby - ALL HAIL PRINCE WELBECK - GDL (U6039)
posted less than a minute ago
pressure didn't matter, the tactic worked
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????? WUM attempt? We won the game inspite of those tactics. Every minute that passed by they looked more of a threat and we looked less a threat.
I don't understand why Wenger makes the same subs every game, especially after they blew up in his face vs Liverpool
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This - we got completely pinned back against Liverpool and we lost it. Similarly, we lost points against Anderlecht when we tried to sit back, and we almost lost points again in the last two games.
posted on 28/12/14
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Panda Eyes strikes again (U8398)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Panda Eyes strikes again (U8398)
posted about a minute ago
Did sagna play today?
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Nope
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Injured?
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On the bench
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What a waste!
posted on 28/12/14
just celebrate the win stop moaning for one match
posted on 28/12/14
comment by DaStuDogg (U9291)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Genius at work, his name is Thierry Henry (U18355)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sir Digby - ALL HAIL PRINCE WELBECK - GDL (U6039)
posted less than a minute ago
pressure didn't matter, the tactic worked
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????? WUM attempt? We won the game inspite of those tactics. Every minute that passed by they looked more of a threat and we looked less a threat.
I don't understand why Wenger makes the same subs every game, especially after they blew up in his face vs Liverpool
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This - we got completely pinned back against Liverpool and we lost it. Similarly, we lost points against Anderlecht when we tried to sit back, and we almost lost points again in the last two games.
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Can't complain about the Anderlecht draw. Dortmund probably wish we had won.
posted on 28/12/14
comment by The Grand Cannon (U18697)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by DaStuDogg (U9291)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Genius at work, his name is Thierry Henry (U18355)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sir Digby - ALL HAIL PRINCE WELBECK - GDL (U6039)
posted less than a minute ago
pressure didn't matter, the tactic worked
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????? WUM attempt? We won the game inspite of those tactics. Every minute that passed by they looked more of a threat and we looked less a threat.
I don't understand why Wenger makes the same subs every game, especially after they blew up in his face vs Liverpool
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This - we got completely pinned back against Liverpool and we lost it. Similarly, we lost points against Anderlecht when we tried to sit back, and we almost lost points again in the last two games.
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Can't complain about the Anderlecht draw. Dortmund probably wish we had won.
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Haha! True!
And Godfather, I'm not moaning. Myself and others made a point during the match that reducing our pace and energy from our more attacking players invited pressure - this argument was criticised so I (and others) have responded - and the debate has spilled over past FT.
Delighted to have won, but a big part of this forum is discussing the tactical side of the game, so I don't see anything wrong with questioning certain tactical decisions.
posted on 28/12/14
super important win for us.
posted on 28/12/14
But it seems like you are just moaning for the sake of it. At the end of the day regardless of what subs we make, west ham or any team are going to go for it in last five mins of the game. we are going to invite pressure no matter what so why not bring on defensive players? it worked superbly for us last season having 4 full backs on.
posted on 28/12/14
comment by The Godfather (U10154)
posted 2 minutes ago
But it seems like you are just moaning for the sake of it. At the end of the day regardless of what subs we make, west ham or any team are going to go for it in last five mins of the game. we are going to invite pressure no matter what so why not bring on defensive players? it worked superbly for us last season having 4 full backs on.
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I'm not moaning for the sake of it. I'm probably one of the more sympathetic posters to Wenger's cause (I didn't criticise the Monreal CB decision, nor the Debuchy one, nor the decision to sign Welbeck (which was pretty unpopular at first) all of which would have been easy to do given the criticism he was receiving for it at the time....if I'd wanted to moan for the sake of it, these would have been perfect opportunities).
But this is a forum to discuss football, so I don't see what's wrong with questioning tactical changes if you don't agree with them.
There's always going to be pressure in that situation, but attacking pace can at the very least help relieve it, whether it's through pressing their deeper players (cutting off the angles with which they have to launch balls into the box), running in-behind to provide an outlet to our long-balls/clearances, or even just using their pace and energy to help make up ground, close-down players, track-back etc.
If you don't agree with that, that's fine - I respect your opinion and these sort of discussions are what this place is all about - but I don't think it's fair to dismiss these points as moaning.
posted on 28/12/14
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posted on 28/12/14
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