Good points. They haven't got much in terms of achievements as club coaches. Didn't too badly when they got England to the U21 final, though. Agree that the club need to look at the set up as a whole to see if this bad run is going to be corrected.
Well SP appoints them, its his judgement that brings his back room staff alongside him. think people need to stop trying to reinvent every reason under the sun before finally acknowledging that the buck stops with the manager. Unless this is the first appointment in the history of football whereby a team is collapsing all around the place and everyone from the tea lady to the cleaning staff are to blame before our 'legend' manager! I've even seen some comments on twitter this weekend stating that they don't care if we get relegated so long as Pearce remains at the helm!!! Slowly we are rebranding to be the SPFC!!!
Think we know where you stand on this issue but I think this is a valid point as these two are the coaches on the ground every day. They will have a close eye on the players and will have got to know them well so ahpuld be in a good position to report back to Pearce on the good and bad of the squad. Too simplistic for me just to blame the manager. The whole coaching staff are jointly responsible.
Too simplistic for me just to blame the manager. The whole coaching staff are jointly responsible.
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Precisely, that's why we should just can the lot of them, they're all as clueless as each other. Certainly don't have the players on board judging by the last few months performances. What does anyone expect to change? Giving these guys more time is just prolonging the torture, we're now 8 points off the bottom three, another month of these jokers in charge and we'll be slap bang in the middle of a relegation do fight that no one will back us to pull clear from!! An utterly shocking scenario from where we were at the start of the campaign.
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its hard to find an argument to support the current boss and his team I'll admit but I just don't see a change now paying dividends. Pearce has signed two players already. That would give an incoming manager even less scope for making signings of their own.
I still haven't heard anyone come up with a convincing alternative manager yet too.
Despite what Len says, these are good points. I've been saying for a while Pearce should look to get some better coaches in. We only have to look at our most successful manager to realise that having a quality no.2 can be difference between winning trophies and getting relegated.
SteveB ... That's a really valid point!
One of Nigel Clough's failings at Derby was having complete Muppets alongside him.
When rumours were afoot about Steve McClaren prior to joining, the jury was out initially. But when we began hearing about Paul Simpson and Eric Steele, it got interesting!
A young manager like Stuart Pearce probably needs something similar?
A young manager like Stuart Pearce probably needs something similar?
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He's 52 FFS!!!!
Unless this is the first appointment in the history of football whereby a team is collapsing all around the place and everyone from the tea lady to the cleaning staff are to blame before our 'legend' manager!
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Really? Collapsing all around? We are mid table! We are not blackpool at the start of the season are we?
I find the belief that we need to sack another manager bordering on moronic. Can you not understand that sometimes it takes a while for things to work in football. I keep using the same analogy but it really does apply. Some of you people would have sacked SAF at united before he could have turned things around. We are talking 6 months! thats nothing in football!
I presume you would then sack another manager if we are not in the play off places the same time next season also? Realistically how long could you go on with this policy? Could we have had 10 managers in 5 years soon? And who out there do you think would suddenly be good enough to get this team promoted instantly? With every sacking our chances of getting promoted get worse. If there was a better manager than SP who wanted the job then wouldnt he have been offered it in the first place? Too many good managers have turned us down and that sets alarm bells ringing for potential managers.
Stability is the only way to bring success to a football club. It really isn't rocket science is it. I am so glad that most of you wanting another manager sacked cant be bothered going to games because I don't think most fans or the club would want you there. Go and support Real Madrid or Man city if you like the 1 season model.
Really? Collapsing all around? We are mid table! We are not blackpool at the start of the season are we?
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Really? Yes really, 2 wins in 20 is a total meltdown and Blackpool's current form is better than ours with a squad of rag tag monthly contracted players!! All pro Pearce fans can say is STABILITY!!! Like as if no one has ever thought about this concept before!!
Yep stability is important but you need the right manager first, SP has no pedigree in mgmt. and his previous stints have all gone the same with a bump at the start followed by downward spiral. I would say stability is important but not as important as tactics, man management, selections / consistency of selections, player acquisitions etc...
To use a simple analogy its bit like baking a cake, no one ingredient is the single most important factor and a blend and combination is what's required, so for those who constantly bang on about stability and nothing else, your argument is limited, blinkered and as you say yourself reds_are_everwhere its 'moronic'!
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catually, it should be 'hear, hear'
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catually, it should be 'actually' Rev
Doh! I stand corrected. Trying to concentrate on work and 606😣
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posted on 12/1/15
Good points. They haven't got much in terms of achievements as club coaches. Didn't too badly when they got England to the U21 final, though. Agree that the club need to look at the set up as a whole to see if this bad run is going to be corrected.
posted on 12/1/15
Well SP appoints them, its his judgement that brings his back room staff alongside him. think people need to stop trying to reinvent every reason under the sun before finally acknowledging that the buck stops with the manager. Unless this is the first appointment in the history of football whereby a team is collapsing all around the place and everyone from the tea lady to the cleaning staff are to blame before our 'legend' manager! I've even seen some comments on twitter this weekend stating that they don't care if we get relegated so long as Pearce remains at the helm!!! Slowly we are rebranding to be the SPFC!!!
posted on 12/1/15
Think we know where you stand on this issue but I think this is a valid point as these two are the coaches on the ground every day. They will have a close eye on the players and will have got to know them well so ahpuld be in a good position to report back to Pearce on the good and bad of the squad. Too simplistic for me just to blame the manager. The whole coaching staff are jointly responsible.
posted on 12/1/15
Too simplistic for me just to blame the manager. The whole coaching staff are jointly responsible.
___________________________
Precisely, that's why we should just can the lot of them, they're all as clueless as each other. Certainly don't have the players on board judging by the last few months performances. What does anyone expect to change? Giving these guys more time is just prolonging the torture, we're now 8 points off the bottom three, another month of these jokers in charge and we'll be slap bang in the middle of a relegation do fight that no one will back us to pull clear from!! An utterly shocking scenario from where we were at the start of the campaign.
posted on 12/1/15
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posted on 12/1/15
its hard to find an argument to support the current boss and his team I'll admit but I just don't see a change now paying dividends. Pearce has signed two players already. That would give an incoming manager even less scope for making signings of their own.
I still haven't heard anyone come up with a convincing alternative manager yet too.
posted on 12/1/15
Despite what Len says, these are good points. I've been saying for a while Pearce should look to get some better coaches in. We only have to look at our most successful manager to realise that having a quality no.2 can be difference between winning trophies and getting relegated.
posted on 12/1/15
SteveB ... That's a really valid point!
One of Nigel Clough's failings at Derby was having complete Muppets alongside him.
When rumours were afoot about Steve McClaren prior to joining, the jury was out initially. But when we began hearing about Paul Simpson and Eric Steele, it got interesting!
A young manager like Stuart Pearce probably needs something similar?
posted on 12/1/15
A young manager like Stuart Pearce probably needs something similar?
______________________
He's 52 FFS!!!!
posted on 12/1/15
Unless this is the first appointment in the history of football whereby a team is collapsing all around the place and everyone from the tea lady to the cleaning staff are to blame before our 'legend' manager!
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Really? Collapsing all around? We are mid table! We are not blackpool at the start of the season are we?
I find the belief that we need to sack another manager bordering on moronic. Can you not understand that sometimes it takes a while for things to work in football. I keep using the same analogy but it really does apply. Some of you people would have sacked SAF at united before he could have turned things around. We are talking 6 months! thats nothing in football!
I presume you would then sack another manager if we are not in the play off places the same time next season also? Realistically how long could you go on with this policy? Could we have had 10 managers in 5 years soon? And who out there do you think would suddenly be good enough to get this team promoted instantly? With every sacking our chances of getting promoted get worse. If there was a better manager than SP who wanted the job then wouldnt he have been offered it in the first place? Too many good managers have turned us down and that sets alarm bells ringing for potential managers.
Stability is the only way to bring success to a football club. It really isn't rocket science is it. I am so glad that most of you wanting another manager sacked cant be bothered going to games because I don't think most fans or the club would want you there. Go and support Real Madrid or Man city if you like the 1 season model.
posted on 12/1/15
Really? Collapsing all around? We are mid table! We are not blackpool at the start of the season are we?
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Really? Yes really, 2 wins in 20 is a total meltdown and Blackpool's current form is better than ours with a squad of rag tag monthly contracted players!! All pro Pearce fans can say is STABILITY!!! Like as if no one has ever thought about this concept before!!
Yep stability is important but you need the right manager first, SP has no pedigree in mgmt. and his previous stints have all gone the same with a bump at the start followed by downward spiral. I would say stability is important but not as important as tactics, man management, selections / consistency of selections, player acquisitions etc...
To use a simple analogy its bit like baking a cake, no one ingredient is the single most important factor and a blend and combination is what's required, so for those who constantly bang on about stability and nothing else, your argument is limited, blinkered and as you say yourself reds_are_everwhere its 'moronic'!
posted on 12/1/15
Here, here RAE.
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posted on 12/1/15
catually, it should be 'hear, hear'
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catually, it should be 'actually' Rev
posted on 12/1/15
Doh! I stand corrected. Trying to concentrate on work and 606😣
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