Wlad is so good technically but also mentally, it would be hard to see even an Ali wind him up to the extent he did with boxers he was facing.
He has kind off been wasted in his generation but with the difference in fitness and dietricians etc over the years its so hard to judge. A better debate would be if Ali and frazier(who had all the power in the world) trained today and not the 70s where would Wlad of been.
They get a lot of stick do the klitchsko's but they are both top heavyweights in any era, Wlad probably top 20 heavyweights of all time
It's hard to say due to there size aswell in the 70s foreman was a monster at 6ft 3 it would be interesting to see if guys in that era could cope with a 6ft 8 technical fighter with hard punches to match.
Saying that although on head to head basis I think he matches up with most he will never be ranked as high due to the era he's fought in like most fighters in the modern age
He would have done extremely well. Wlad should be ranked in the top 10 atg. IMO Lennox is the best.
comment by Nickalopodis-BoomsObsession (U9257)
posted 1 hour, 57 minutes ago
Wlad is so good technically but also mentally, it would be hard to see even an Ali wind him up to the extent he did with boxers he was facing.
He has kind off been wasted in his generation but with the difference in fitness and dietricians etc over the years its so hard to judge. A better debate would be if Ali and frazier(who had all the power in the world) trained today and not the 70s where would Wlad of been.
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Good Lord.
His boxing is $hite, boxes like a robot, he's not the fastest, he doesn't have a strong chin, hasn't really beat anyone of any note, grabs + holds + pushes all fight.
Very over rated. Haye would KO him in a rematch without doubt
Vitali's better but even then he fought a motivationless Lennox Lewis who didn't even bother to barely train yet Lewis still stopped him and if the ref hadn't of stopped it Lewis likely would have ended his career and eyesight in that eye
Very over rated. Haye would KO him in a rematch without doubt
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I'm a Haye fan but not sure what he'd be able to do differently in a rematch.
Not saying that Haye couldn't KO him if he connected, but he couldn't get anywhere near Wlad when they fought.
There's just such a big size disadvantage. Wlad's got a good 5 inches height advantage and is by far the bigger man. It's an unfair contest in many ways.
If they were the same size I'd fancy Haye but they're not.
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It's a difficult one to call because of Wlad's sheer size advantage. Even Big George Foreman would have looked small compared to Wlad.
In terms of ability there's no denying that Ali is leagues ahead but how would Ali have dealt with all the natural physical advantages that Wlad has ?
Some people like to think that Wlad is slow but he really isn't as Haye found out against him in their fight.
As for Wlad vs Frazier that would have been a total mismatch in terms of size with Smoking Joe standing at 5" 11.
If he fought Joe Bugner, that would be one dreary fight. That said Bugner had qualities like a good chin and good defensive abilities but a fight between them would be the hardest sell imaginable.
You become a great fighter by fighting and beating other great fighters.
Wlad has very few on his record.
His best win is against David Haye.
Which was a bore fest which Wlad only landed 27 power punches and held an awful lot.
He has been allowed to get away with these holding tactics that are illegal by friendly refs.
Would he bee able to do this back in the 70s?
Wlad also benifits for the gloves in this era, more padded, larger, built for defence. Especially the glove of his choice, Grants.
In the 70s he would have had a less padded smaller glove, making him and his fragile chin more vulnerable
Wlad has good footwork, and a good jab and right cross, but he is very one dimensional, no inside game and fights a lot of bums and gets away with illegal tactics in his back yard.
Foremam, would have KO him.
I think Norton would have beating him.
Ali would have outboxed him.
And Frazier would have swarmed him.
The haye fight was a joke and haye was a embarrasment he landed 27 powe puncher because haye fell to the floor and ran all night
Most embarrassing performance I've ever seen
Most sense I've ever seen D4 talk
comment by diamond (U18412)
posted 1 hour, 38 minutes ago
The haye fight was a joke and haye was a embarrasment he landed 27 powe puncher because haye fell to the floor and ran all night
Most embarrassing performance I've ever seen
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B'itchko pretty much grabbed and pushed him down all night and was let off with it everytime and as soon as Haye got close the ref jumped in.
Not defending Haye as he wasn't at his best, but nothing really went for him that night either inside and outside the ring. You could still see the fear in B'itchko's eyes
I think the fear your seeing in his eyes is the reflection of Hayes eyes.
Joe Frazier at 16st and 6'2 today stops him inside 3 rounds. Too many easy fights,boring spectacles and what in my opinion is a lack of bottle to have a proper trade.
Has not beaten a single decent heavyweight in his career,not one that would get into a top 50 maybe 100 all time heavies. Marking him as a top 10 heavy is laughable.
Frazier was about 5"11 I think.
Also it's not Wlad's fault that his prime years are in an era starved of very good heavyweight fighters for him to fight.
For that reason we'll never know how he would have fared against some of the all time greats.
I think we need to see a rematch with Haye at some point if Haye ever comes back but have the fight outside of Germany.
He was WBO champ, when Holyfield, Lennox and Tyson were still competing.
Haye landed something like 36 power punches to Wlad's 27 in that fight, I've see more landed in a round. But this is Wlad in his career defining fight, the pinnacle of his career.
I think Wlad won the fight, the jab jab grab technique he employed was stopped by the ref, though he did have a point deducted, it could have been more and earlier.
comment by Nickalopodis-BoomsObsession (U9257)
posted 2 days, 1 hour ago
Wlad is so good technically but also mentally, it would be hard to see even an Ali wind him up to the extent he did with boxers he was facing.
He has kind off been wasted in his generation but with the difference in fitness and dietricians etc over the years its so hard to judge.
Nonsense Ali, Foreman, Lewis, Liston, Holmes, Louis, Tyson, Frazier etc all wipe the floor with him and not hard to see. A fat Corrie Sanders blasted him out.
I think Wlad beats Holmes, out jabs him
I see what you did there D4
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posted on 6/2/15
Wlad is so good technically but also mentally, it would be hard to see even an Ali wind him up to the extent he did with boxers he was facing.
He has kind off been wasted in his generation but with the difference in fitness and dietricians etc over the years its so hard to judge. A better debate would be if Ali and frazier(who had all the power in the world) trained today and not the 70s where would Wlad of been.
posted on 6/2/15
They get a lot of stick do the klitchsko's but they are both top heavyweights in any era, Wlad probably top 20 heavyweights of all time
posted on 6/2/15
It's hard to say due to there size aswell in the 70s foreman was a monster at 6ft 3 it would be interesting to see if guys in that era could cope with a 6ft 8 technical fighter with hard punches to match.
Saying that although on head to head basis I think he matches up with most he will never be ranked as high due to the era he's fought in like most fighters in the modern age
posted on 6/2/15
He would have done extremely well. Wlad should be ranked in the top 10 atg. IMO Lennox is the best.
posted on 6/2/15
comment by Nickalopodis-BoomsObsession (U9257)
posted 1 hour, 57 minutes ago
Wlad is so good technically but also mentally, it would be hard to see even an Ali wind him up to the extent he did with boxers he was facing.
He has kind off been wasted in his generation but with the difference in fitness and dietricians etc over the years its so hard to judge. A better debate would be if Ali and frazier(who had all the power in the world) trained today and not the 70s where would Wlad of been.
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Good Lord.
posted on 6/2/15
His boxing is $hite, boxes like a robot, he's not the fastest, he doesn't have a strong chin, hasn't really beat anyone of any note, grabs + holds + pushes all fight.
Very over rated. Haye would KO him in a rematch without doubt
Vitali's better but even then he fought a motivationless Lennox Lewis who didn't even bother to barely train yet Lewis still stopped him and if the ref hadn't of stopped it Lewis likely would have ended his career and eyesight in that eye
posted on 6/2/15
Very over rated. Haye would KO him in a rematch without doubt
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I'm a Haye fan but not sure what he'd be able to do differently in a rematch.
Not saying that Haye couldn't KO him if he connected, but he couldn't get anywhere near Wlad when they fought.
There's just such a big size disadvantage. Wlad's got a good 5 inches height advantage and is by far the bigger man. It's an unfair contest in many ways.
If they were the same size I'd fancy Haye but they're not.
posted on 7/2/15
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posted on 7/2/15
It's a difficult one to call because of Wlad's sheer size advantage. Even Big George Foreman would have looked small compared to Wlad.
In terms of ability there's no denying that Ali is leagues ahead but how would Ali have dealt with all the natural physical advantages that Wlad has ?
Some people like to think that Wlad is slow but he really isn't as Haye found out against him in their fight.
As for Wlad vs Frazier that would have been a total mismatch in terms of size with Smoking Joe standing at 5" 11.
posted on 7/2/15
If he fought Joe Bugner, that would be one dreary fight. That said Bugner had qualities like a good chin and good defensive abilities but a fight between them would be the hardest sell imaginable.
posted on 7/2/15
You become a great fighter by fighting and beating other great fighters.
Wlad has very few on his record.
His best win is against David Haye.
Which was a bore fest which Wlad only landed 27 power punches and held an awful lot.
He has been allowed to get away with these holding tactics that are illegal by friendly refs.
Would he bee able to do this back in the 70s?
posted on 7/2/15
Wlad also benifits for the gloves in this era, more padded, larger, built for defence. Especially the glove of his choice, Grants.
In the 70s he would have had a less padded smaller glove, making him and his fragile chin more vulnerable
posted on 7/2/15
Wlad has good footwork, and a good jab and right cross, but he is very one dimensional, no inside game and fights a lot of bums and gets away with illegal tactics in his back yard.
Foremam, would have KO him.
I think Norton would have beating him.
Ali would have outboxed him.
And Frazier would have swarmed him.
posted on 8/2/15
The haye fight was a joke and haye was a embarrasment he landed 27 powe puncher because haye fell to the floor and ran all night
Most embarrassing performance I've ever seen
posted on 8/2/15
Most sense I've ever seen D4 talk
posted on 8/2/15
comment by diamond (U18412)
posted 1 hour, 38 minutes ago
The haye fight was a joke and haye was a embarrasment he landed 27 powe puncher because haye fell to the floor and ran all night
Most embarrassing performance I've ever seen
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B'itchko pretty much grabbed and pushed him down all night and was let off with it everytime and as soon as Haye got close the ref jumped in.
Not defending Haye as he wasn't at his best, but nothing really went for him that night either inside and outside the ring. You could still see the fear in B'itchko's eyes
posted on 8/2/15
I think the fear your seeing in his eyes is the reflection of Hayes eyes.
posted on 8/2/15
Joe Frazier at 16st and 6'2 today stops him inside 3 rounds. Too many easy fights,boring spectacles and what in my opinion is a lack of bottle to have a proper trade.
Has not beaten a single decent heavyweight in his career,not one that would get into a top 50 maybe 100 all time heavies. Marking him as a top 10 heavy is laughable.
posted on 8/2/15
Frazier was about 5"11 I think.
Also it's not Wlad's fault that his prime years are in an era starved of very good heavyweight fighters for him to fight.
For that reason we'll never know how he would have fared against some of the all time greats.
I think we need to see a rematch with Haye at some point if Haye ever comes back but have the fight outside of Germany.
posted on 8/2/15
He was WBO champ, when Holyfield, Lennox and Tyson were still competing.
Haye landed something like 36 power punches to Wlad's 27 in that fight, I've see more landed in a round. But this is Wlad in his career defining fight, the pinnacle of his career.
I think Wlad won the fight, the jab jab grab technique he employed was stopped by the ref, though he did have a point deducted, it could have been more and earlier.
posted on 8/2/15
comment by Nickalopodis-BoomsObsession (U9257)
posted 2 days, 1 hour ago
Wlad is so good technically but also mentally, it would be hard to see even an Ali wind him up to the extent he did with boxers he was facing.
He has kind off been wasted in his generation but with the difference in fitness and dietricians etc over the years its so hard to judge.
Nonsense Ali, Foreman, Lewis, Liston, Holmes, Louis, Tyson, Frazier etc all wipe the floor with him and not hard to see. A fat Corrie Sanders blasted him out.
posted on 8/2/15
I think Wlad beats Holmes, out jabs him
posted on 8/2/15
I see what you did there D4
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