"A foot". Fack off mate. If that had been disallowed for your side you wouldve been livid, guaranteed. And yes the ref was poor, yellow cards for our players for nothing fouls and first offences whilst Mason flies in numerous times yet only gets booked in the 80th min or so. Countless joke fouls given against us as well.
Not saying the ref was the reason we lost. We simply werent good enough yesterday but the ref didnt help by being a "homer".
comment by Yohan's Kebab Van (U8691)
posted 5 minutes ago
"A foot". Fack off mate. If that had been disallowed for your side you wouldve been livid, guaranteed. And yes the ref was poor, yellow cards for our players for nothing fouls and first offences whilst Mason flies in numerous times yet only gets booked in the 80th min or so. Countless joke fouls given against us as well.
Not saying the ref was the reason we lost. We simply werent good enough yesterday but the ref didnt help by being a "homer".
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I just love reading articles like this, you guys lost cause you ain't good enough and clearly aren't as good as you all think you are.
Arsenal have been punching above their weight for 10 years or more.
Seeing all the gooners wound up makes yesterday's result even more satisfying.......I'm loving it
Yellow cards ? How many ? 10, 20 ? Oh just a couple then (maybe Welbeck,s was a tad harsh but it was clumsy) - big deal. Not worth using that as an excuse - Did it make one iota of difference ? Not on your Nellie - Find a proper excuse like you WEREN,T GOOD ENOUGH or YOU WERE WELL BEATEN BY A BETTER TEAM -MUST DO BETTER
Admittedly I would have been miffed to lose a goal for being a foot offside but , what if a shot missed the goal by a foot but a goal was awarded anyway ?
RULES ARE RULES
We got 5 yellow cards. At least 3 of them were wrong. Rose diving got Welbeck one, Kos slid along the ground to block what he thought would be a cross and Dembele ran into him and there wer other dodgy decisions. Kanes yellow was a studs up challenge that should have been a red, and that's comparing it to reds we have got over the years which were called stonewall red cards. Spurs also got away with a lot harder challenges than we did and we were not allowed to tackle. That made it harder for us to build attacks or defend yours. This is one of the common and hugely match influencing tactics employed by refs to "keep the league interesting" and keep the money spinning teams where they want them (i.e. Chelsea, Man C and Man U getting decisions for years)
Not taking it away from spurs, you deserved the win but you did get a lot of help from the ref and any claim you didn't shows a biased uncreditable viewpoint.
Forgot to add, by the stard of decisions against us both Rose and another of your players I cant think of at the moment could and should have had 3 yellow cards each. The ref was inconsistent and that is the biggest gripe with him.
Take your red-tinted glasses off mate and watch it again, one or two minor contentious decisions there but that was all.
While I didn,t agree with Welbeck,s yellow card and thought that he,d just forgot to stop running and clattered clumsily into Rose the ref must have thought it was a cynical attempt to stop Rose making progress, would hardly be a first that now would it ?
Did you see the game live?
I bet you just watched MOTD. You have to remember that the contracts between them say that the BBC have to show them in a favourable light and that includes not highlighting refs mistakes. time and time again I have seen some of the worst decisions not even shown on MOTD to avoid controversy.
As I said, you deserved it but he ref was very inconsistent and if you look at it objectively by comparing challenges by both teams in the whole match it is very clear. You accuse me of being biased but your lot got away with numerous challenges worse than the ones our players got yellow cards for. Fact and there is no legitimate denial of that.
I am a gooner now
you are clearly describing a typical refereeing performance in favour of Pool, not what we saw yesterday.
The officials had excellent games all round yesterday apart from giving bug eyes an offside goal.
If you want to see some biased refereeing, tune into Klanfield on Tuesday.
Yup saw it all in glorious live - Yellow cards 5 - 3 Fouls 12 - 8 - Seems about right.
Honestly there were 2 occasions when I was up out of my seat screaming at the ref for not giving obvious fouls, assumed he,d played advantage but we lost the ball immediately and he didnt blow.
Also I don,t recall the Arsenal players protesting too much about tackling or yellow cards ... apart from Welbeck,s
And please , you aint doing yourself any favours by coming out with STUPID statements like - "i watched it on MOTD"
Without referring to this game, here is some general advise on what to watch out for with refs when they are being one sided.
Look out for where they give decisions as well as what they give. Its common to see decisions being given in favour of one team in "safe" areas for the opposition but against them when it matters. So you will see fouls given when they have the ball in their own half, but not on the edge of the opposition box.
Fouls on the team being favoured are given in areas that are either dangerous or relieve pressure, giving them an extra edge.
And normally you will see a couple of questionable decisions given against the team being favoured, but only 2 or 3 max, to get the fans shouting and for misdirection that there is nothing going on. For example when breaking with say 2 attackers but 4 or 5 defenders back. As its on the break the fans are getting going but in reality when looking at the whole pitch you would not expect them to score, so you get a big reaction when it doesn't really matter.
Then throw in some dodgy decisions on bookings for key players and you have a match changing formula. We saw this yesterday with unquestionably harsh bookings for Welbeck and Kos and your players getting away with at least 5 or 6 worse challenges which didn't even result in free kicks let alone bookings.
So to summarise, its what and where.
To be fair, we did get the rub of the green from the Ref. Arsenal could've had a few pens on another day. But they didn't :D
Gooner - Give it up mate, you lost FAIR AND SQUARE - just man up and say so
Man's never been to the moon, the mafia had Kennedy shot, there you go more conspiracy theories to go with your statement of yesterday's game
Wenger said yesterday that Atkinson was on the level of performance than Arsenal. I think he has it spot on.
comment by threadkiller, being ignored since 2011 (U1148)
posted 7 minutes ago
Man's never been to the moon, the mafia had Kennedy shot, there you go more conspiracy theories to go with your statement of yesterday's game
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But my comment was a general one (except the bit about yellow cards).
And you have to question the evidence for things on conspiracies, rather than just accept what anyone tells you.
For example, it was the CIA who shot Kennedy. The reason I say this. Watch the film and you can see a gun raised in the front of the car, a puff of smoke and Kennedy flies backwards, as if shot where the gun actually is.
I've seen it all very well presented on conspiracies - governments in league with aliens, black helicopters, the moon landing, etc and its only the Kennedy one that is convincing.
Yeah probably agree on the Kennedy point, but I honestly thought the ref was ok yesterday, I think the general standard of referees is very poor not anything to do with bias towards top teams
Yeah probably agree on the Kennedy point, but I honestly thought the ref was ok yesterday, I think the general standard of referees is very poor not anything to do with bias towards top teams
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No, he wasnt okay. He gave far too many yellow to Arsenal players and forgot to give some to Spurs player. And there were a few fouls especially on Giroud who were worth a yellow.
Let's face it. All prem refs are crap. They influence the outcome of games far too often. Burnley just had a blatant pen turned down that would have won them the game.
It's just part of the hurly-burly spectacle of the English game unfortunately.
It's all opinion, I think arsenal were trying to slow the game down and waste time right from the start,the goal keeper seemed to feign injury when spurs mounted their first attack and it carried on untill you had to try and get a goal,see that's how opinion works, you probably won't agree with my opinion but who's to say I am wrong?
Yup - just depends on what colour glasses you are wearing.
Just watch for the one I said. Not just what decisions are given but WHERE they are given as well. It really is an eye opener if youre naïve enough to think there is nothing going on.
Referees constantly giving 50 50's to one team letting one team grow psychologically while the other feels aggrieved is one of the most underrated match deciders in football. Its so subtle but crucially important for the ebb and flow of a football match. The referee was ruled by the crowd yesterday, he was an utter coward
comment by The Godfather (U10154)
posted 5 hours, 1 minute ago
Referees constantly giving 50 50's to one team letting one team grow psychologically while the other feels aggrieved is one of the most underrated match deciders in football. Its so subtle but crucially important for the ebb and flow of a football match. The referee was ruled by the crowd yesterday, he was an utter coward
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You cant expect spuuds to have enough brains to understand that.
I am gooner now is EXACTLY correct. Don't underestimate how much of an impact the ref had on that game. Yes we were playing on the counter but Mason and other players got away with multiple bad tackles hacking at our players legs and ankles, no way near the ball and never received yellow cards till very late despite repeating the offences again and again. This meant they could continue cheating/fouling whatever you prefer to call it until the dying minutes of the game, by which point we had given up. Danny Rose stamped down on Welbecks ankle and we didn't even get a foul! There were several other "Shout at the TV/Ref" moments for Arsenal fans and it was not because we are biased it was plain as day for any supporter to see. The yellow cards we picked up for nothing tackles/challenges was beyond a joke, I spent 90 minutes shouting at the decisions, you could also see he couldn't wait to given Tottenham a free kick in Eriksen shooting positions. There was another moment where two of your defenders climbed on Girouds back like he was giving your player a piggy-back to head the ball and ref just ignored it. Unbelievable.
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posted on 8/2/15
"A foot". Fack off mate. If that had been disallowed for your side you wouldve been livid, guaranteed. And yes the ref was poor, yellow cards for our players for nothing fouls and first offences whilst Mason flies in numerous times yet only gets booked in the 80th min or so. Countless joke fouls given against us as well.
Not saying the ref was the reason we lost. We simply werent good enough yesterday but the ref didnt help by being a "homer".
posted on 8/2/15
comment by Yohan's Kebab Van (U8691)
posted 5 minutes ago
"A foot". Fack off mate. If that had been disallowed for your side you wouldve been livid, guaranteed. And yes the ref was poor, yellow cards for our players for nothing fouls and first offences whilst Mason flies in numerous times yet only gets booked in the 80th min or so. Countless joke fouls given against us as well.
Not saying the ref was the reason we lost. We simply werent good enough yesterday but the ref didnt help by being a "homer".
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I just love reading articles like this, you guys lost cause you ain't good enough and clearly aren't as good as you all think you are.
Arsenal have been punching above their weight for 10 years or more.
Seeing all the gooners wound up makes yesterday's result even more satisfying.......I'm loving it
posted on 8/2/15
Yellow cards ? How many ? 10, 20 ? Oh just a couple then (maybe Welbeck,s was a tad harsh but it was clumsy) - big deal. Not worth using that as an excuse - Did it make one iota of difference ? Not on your Nellie - Find a proper excuse like you WEREN,T GOOD ENOUGH or YOU WERE WELL BEATEN BY A BETTER TEAM -MUST DO BETTER
Admittedly I would have been miffed to lose a goal for being a foot offside but , what if a shot missed the goal by a foot but a goal was awarded anyway ?
RULES ARE RULES
posted on 8/2/15
We got 5 yellow cards. At least 3 of them were wrong. Rose diving got Welbeck one, Kos slid along the ground to block what he thought would be a cross and Dembele ran into him and there wer other dodgy decisions. Kanes yellow was a studs up challenge that should have been a red, and that's comparing it to reds we have got over the years which were called stonewall red cards. Spurs also got away with a lot harder challenges than we did and we were not allowed to tackle. That made it harder for us to build attacks or defend yours. This is one of the common and hugely match influencing tactics employed by refs to "keep the league interesting" and keep the money spinning teams where they want them (i.e. Chelsea, Man C and Man U getting decisions for years)
Not taking it away from spurs, you deserved the win but you did get a lot of help from the ref and any claim you didn't shows a biased uncreditable viewpoint.
posted on 8/2/15
Forgot to add, by the stard of decisions against us both Rose and another of your players I cant think of at the moment could and should have had 3 yellow cards each. The ref was inconsistent and that is the biggest gripe with him.
posted on 8/2/15
Take your red-tinted glasses off mate and watch it again, one or two minor contentious decisions there but that was all.
While I didn,t agree with Welbeck,s yellow card and thought that he,d just forgot to stop running and clattered clumsily into Rose the ref must have thought it was a cynical attempt to stop Rose making progress, would hardly be a first that now would it ?
posted on 8/2/15
Did you see the game live?
I bet you just watched MOTD. You have to remember that the contracts between them say that the BBC have to show them in a favourable light and that includes not highlighting refs mistakes. time and time again I have seen some of the worst decisions not even shown on MOTD to avoid controversy.
As I said, you deserved it but he ref was very inconsistent and if you look at it objectively by comparing challenges by both teams in the whole match it is very clear. You accuse me of being biased but your lot got away with numerous challenges worse than the ones our players got yellow cards for. Fact and there is no legitimate denial of that.
posted on 8/2/15
I am a gooner now
you are clearly describing a typical refereeing performance in favour of Pool, not what we saw yesterday.
The officials had excellent games all round yesterday apart from giving bug eyes an offside goal.
If you want to see some biased refereeing, tune into Klanfield on Tuesday.
posted on 8/2/15
Yup saw it all in glorious live - Yellow cards 5 - 3 Fouls 12 - 8 - Seems about right.
Honestly there were 2 occasions when I was up out of my seat screaming at the ref for not giving obvious fouls, assumed he,d played advantage but we lost the ball immediately and he didnt blow.
Also I don,t recall the Arsenal players protesting too much about tackling or yellow cards ... apart from Welbeck,s
posted on 8/2/15
And please , you aint doing yourself any favours by coming out with STUPID statements like - "i watched it on MOTD"
posted on 8/2/15
Without referring to this game, here is some general advise on what to watch out for with refs when they are being one sided.
Look out for where they give decisions as well as what they give. Its common to see decisions being given in favour of one team in "safe" areas for the opposition but against them when it matters. So you will see fouls given when they have the ball in their own half, but not on the edge of the opposition box.
Fouls on the team being favoured are given in areas that are either dangerous or relieve pressure, giving them an extra edge.
And normally you will see a couple of questionable decisions given against the team being favoured, but only 2 or 3 max, to get the fans shouting and for misdirection that there is nothing going on. For example when breaking with say 2 attackers but 4 or 5 defenders back. As its on the break the fans are getting going but in reality when looking at the whole pitch you would not expect them to score, so you get a big reaction when it doesn't really matter.
Then throw in some dodgy decisions on bookings for key players and you have a match changing formula. We saw this yesterday with unquestionably harsh bookings for Welbeck and Kos and your players getting away with at least 5 or 6 worse challenges which didn't even result in free kicks let alone bookings.
So to summarise, its what and where.
posted on 8/2/15
To be fair, we did get the rub of the green from the Ref. Arsenal could've had a few pens on another day. But they didn't :D
posted on 8/2/15
Gooner - Give it up mate, you lost FAIR AND SQUARE - just man up and say so
posted on 8/2/15
Man's never been to the moon, the mafia had Kennedy shot, there you go more conspiracy theories to go with your statement of yesterday's game
posted on 8/2/15
Wenger said yesterday that Atkinson was on the level of performance than Arsenal. I think he has it spot on.
posted on 8/2/15
comment by threadkiller, being ignored since 2011 (U1148)
posted 7 minutes ago
Man's never been to the moon, the mafia had Kennedy shot, there you go more conspiracy theories to go with your statement of yesterday's game
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But my comment was a general one (except the bit about yellow cards).
And you have to question the evidence for things on conspiracies, rather than just accept what anyone tells you.
For example, it was the CIA who shot Kennedy. The reason I say this. Watch the film and you can see a gun raised in the front of the car, a puff of smoke and Kennedy flies backwards, as if shot where the gun actually is.
I've seen it all very well presented on conspiracies - governments in league with aliens, black helicopters, the moon landing, etc and its only the Kennedy one that is convincing.
posted on 8/2/15
Yeah probably agree on the Kennedy point, but I honestly thought the ref was ok yesterday, I think the general standard of referees is very poor not anything to do with bias towards top teams
posted on 8/2/15
Yeah probably agree on the Kennedy point, but I honestly thought the ref was ok yesterday, I think the general standard of referees is very poor not anything to do with bias towards top teams
__________
No, he wasnt okay. He gave far too many yellow to Arsenal players and forgot to give some to Spurs player. And there were a few fouls especially on Giroud who were worth a yellow.
posted on 8/2/15
Let's face it. All prem refs are crap. They influence the outcome of games far too often. Burnley just had a blatant pen turned down that would have won them the game.
It's just part of the hurly-burly spectacle of the English game unfortunately.
posted on 8/2/15
It's all opinion, I think arsenal were trying to slow the game down and waste time right from the start,the goal keeper seemed to feign injury when spurs mounted their first attack and it carried on untill you had to try and get a goal,see that's how opinion works, you probably won't agree with my opinion but who's to say I am wrong?
posted on 8/2/15
Yup - just depends on what colour glasses you are wearing.
posted on 8/2/15
Just watch for the one I said. Not just what decisions are given but WHERE they are given as well. It really is an eye opener if youre naïve enough to think there is nothing going on.
posted on 8/2/15
Referees constantly giving 50 50's to one team letting one team grow psychologically while the other feels aggrieved is one of the most underrated match deciders in football. Its so subtle but crucially important for the ebb and flow of a football match. The referee was ruled by the crowd yesterday, he was an utter coward
posted on 8/2/15
comment by The Godfather (U10154)
posted 5 hours, 1 minute ago
Referees constantly giving 50 50's to one team letting one team grow psychologically while the other feels aggrieved is one of the most underrated match deciders in football. Its so subtle but crucially important for the ebb and flow of a football match. The referee was ruled by the crowd yesterday, he was an utter coward
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You cant expect spuuds to have enough brains to understand that.
posted on 9/2/15
I am gooner now is EXACTLY correct. Don't underestimate how much of an impact the ref had on that game. Yes we were playing on the counter but Mason and other players got away with multiple bad tackles hacking at our players legs and ankles, no way near the ball and never received yellow cards till very late despite repeating the offences again and again. This meant they could continue cheating/fouling whatever you prefer to call it until the dying minutes of the game, by which point we had given up. Danny Rose stamped down on Welbecks ankle and we didn't even get a foul! There were several other "Shout at the TV/Ref" moments for Arsenal fans and it was not because we are biased it was plain as day for any supporter to see. The yellow cards we picked up for nothing tackles/challenges was beyond a joke, I spent 90 minutes shouting at the decisions, you could also see he couldn't wait to given Tottenham a free kick in Eriksen shooting positions. There was another moment where two of your defenders climbed on Girouds back like he was giving your player a piggy-back to head the ball and ref just ignored it. Unbelievable.
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