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Billy McNeil mark2. Clueless, Scottish t wat.

FFS How long have we had fecking 22 points!!!!!

It is so sad but we are a fecking joke!!!!

I could cry seeing whats happening at Villa,,,,,

We might as well put Helen Flanagan as CEO and Manager couldn;t do any worse.

I seem to have caught turrets and its not going away.

Even though I'm a BlueNose, and ordinarily it does my heart good to see Villa suffer from time to time; but over the last 2 or 3 years scrambling in the bottom 5 or 6, I've always felt you're too good to actually go down.... that is up until now!

I do fear for you this time: you're running out of options; Benteke isn't firing on all cylinders, and there seems to be a sense of foreboding going on in the team.

It is just fortunate that there are plenty of clubs just above you that can still be caught, should you eventually find some form.

So you're not completely dead and buried, but it's going to be oh-so-close compared to previous seasons. And if you do manage to stay up, Lambert really does have to go asap.

Just emailed Fox:

"For the love of God enough is enough.
We're in the bottom three and he has lost 90%+ of the fans. We are sleepwalking to the Championship. Please employ some one up to the job of Manager of our fine club."

I'm sure it will make zero difference.

I admired the idea that we had even though it was forced upon us but it was clear last season it would not work.

I like PL but he has proved to be clueless and by giving him that long contract it shows Lerner was too.

Doug Ellis for all his faults did us proud, I look back and wish Ransom and his syndicate had the chance to take over.

We may still escape but its unlikely the rot has set in.

Im not joking some of us on here could get better results given the resources available.

When we go down we won't be coming back any time soon. Believe me.

Lambert and Learner should hold their heads in shame. A pair of fools. Three years of shocking results, we mumbled but stuck with them and they called us fickle!

We may get away with it but more likely we will go down with the same people in charge and without a fight.

We or most of us are not fickle we just hate to see what is happening, I agree CA.

Time to face reality. One big and very real aspect is that Lerner is going nowhere. Whether he wants to or not. He hasn't got a buyer and until he does he's staying; he's no choice. And it should be said that he's prepared to put up some cash, if not a lot.

The other bit of reality though is that Lambert has lost it, in particular:
(1) Any other manager in his position would have made sure he came away with 1 point and hope to knick 3. That's what Bruce did. Lambert has little idea of tactical game planning; he has the style of the moment and employs it whatever. Some managers, like Wenger, can get away with it, most of the time. Lambert's can't and it's costing us.
(2) Lambert may have some strengths, like an eye for a good player, but his coaching is poor; this team is playing like it's trying to remember what it read in a text book. The team hasn't got that edge which will cut through the opposition. It's down to Lambert; the players are nowhere near that bad.

Lerner is staying, but there's nothing to stop Lambert going. Lerner can act; there are managers out there worth a shot. It may be spinning a coin, as Tom Fox said, but so is Lambert staying and it's increasingly looking like a double-headed one.

Still cant believe Lambert 'went for' Arsenal. WTF was that about?

He doesnt seem to have any idea when (or how) to attack and when to defend.

Surely he has to go?

The bookmakers have shortened the odds of Lambert getting sacked next from 4/1 to 7/4. Next to Nigel Pearson so that says it all.

Lets just hope they know something we dont. Financial disaster beckons if this fool stays at the helm.

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Creeping apathy, yer a teet. Billy McNeil was far too good for the like of you

We've got 13 cup finals to go...oh dear even under o'neill with all them uberish players we didn't win in those 2 recent finals.

Weee'rrreee DOOMED!

13 cup finals yes but im afraid based on current form or otherwise realistically 4 of those are write offs already.

I guess 13 means we wont be going to Wembley either

In all seriousness on player/player basis our team should be higher than it is. Personally, whatever the Chairman or Manager do, on the field of play its down to the players. They players aren't performing (actually they are taking the mickey from some of their displays). Whatever issues they have, they are still paid by the club to perform, they are not forced to accept their monthly wage, its a two way thing.

The player that epitomises this for me is Gabby. For years he has coasted, happy with lacklustre performances, bulking up because of his skinny man issues etc. If he put as much effort in on the field as he did off the field we'd be alright.

Trust me, if a new manager comes in/regime then Gabby and his ilk should be the first to go. Their attitude is cancerous within the club.

Lambert had an ethos at Norwich (with limited resources) that was attacking, so something has changed. Resources were short at Norwich but he did alright (indeed he was courted by many clubs). His tactics are dictated by the quality/attitude of the players he has.

As for Lerner, those saying he should take a hit on Villa re. the selling price, don't you realise that this is the type of attitude that puts any potential buyer off. Football is a business, and those who are in a position to buy Villa are there because they haven't lost money over the years. Would you go buy something where the last man lost half what he put in, with a reasonable probability that if you're in the same position, the supporters would expect you to sell up for a loss too.

"Creeping apathy, yer a teet. Billy McNeil was far too good for the like of you"

I beg to differ. He was pants at Villa. Rabbit in headlights just like Lambert is now.

Villa are the classic "too good to go down".

On paper they are too good. It is a decent squad.

But not only is Lambert clueless as to how to line-up and approach each game, he is also clueless as to how to motivate that "decent squad":

And as Real has just said, the players are not trying.

Wolves were in a similar position a few years ago; they had a decent enough team. But too many of the players had lost interest. And no-one had the bälls to clean out the deadwood.

Result? They dropped two divisions.

I think the players are motivated, although if this continues that may be in question. The problem is that when we go out on the pitch it still looks like a training exercise. It's all about style of play, currently the passing game. It's not about putting the opposition under real pressure. That comes from understanding the opposition and putting in place the tactics to succeed against them. That's down to Lambert, not the players.

Anybody but an idiot would have realised how Bruce was going to approach the game; we were going to face a wall of players, and possession of itself was going to count for nothing. We should have done what other teams do to us; sat back, kept it tight, and forced them to make a move. After all, they needed the win more than we did.

Last night was the one match above all others where a boring 0-0 draw would have been a worthwhile result. And who knows, with Hull getting desperate we might have nicked it, in spite of our weak scoring record. As it was, we went out to play as though we could afford to take risks, and that was plain stupid.

Lambert now says we'll have to play dirty (McLeish's favourite phrase I seem to remember). By that I suppose he means we'll have to grind out points by any means possible. Dead right, we do. Back to a mean defence, starting with Stoke.

Lambert also says we're facing 13 cup finals. No we're not. In cup finals you go for it, it's your one chance to win; draws count for nothing. We're facing 13 matches where we make it as difficult as possible for the opposition and draws are OK. Do that and we might even score some goals.

I'm amazed you guys didn't go for Moyes before he went to Real Sociedad, he's exactly what you needed, I'm sure he would of joined you too as you're a big club with history.

What's happening with you guys now is exactly what was happening to us in the 90's, a god damn awful Chairman/Owner, poor managers and battling relegation.

I think you will just about be safe this season but you deffo need to change it before next season.

andy grays

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What's happening with you guys now is exactly what was happening to us in the 90's, a god damn awful Chairman/Owner, poor managers and battling relegation.
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Apart from getting clear of the Championship relegation zone, the god damn awful Chairman/Owner and poor managers is still happening to you.

Apart from getting clear of the Championship relegation zone, the god damn awful Chairman/Owner and poor managers is still happening to you.
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Really!?!

Whilst Kenwright is not great he's 10 times better than what Johnson was and as for poor managers? Hmmmmm, Moyes took us from relegation candidates to Euro challangers and regular top 6/7 finishes.

Martinez is having a bad season but last season's 5th place finish (with points that have always got 4th before then) is too early to say he's a crap manager for us!

WBA's past couple of managers have hardly been quality now have they?

The Baggies wouldn't know a good manager if he kicked them in the face,tin-pot joke club!