Agree. After being out for a year he is not match fit again. Think he shouldnt start games in this form. Give him 20-25 min in the second half.
He is a goal and assist machine though, his returns are always outrageous. Thats his job. If we want tracking then we start Welbeck.
When Theo plays he is more or less a 2nd striker stuck out on the right. Its almost a 4-4-2 sometimes
A few more games and he will get into the grove of things.
It's very rare walcott has a quiet game. Something always happens and today was no different
He is still our most potent attvking player and that finish was made to look easy
Ox is now well ahead of Walcott in my opinion.He will mostly play the home games otherwise away from home Theo will be a sub.Its a pity Reus has signed a new contract, wanted him to replace Theo
Theo TBH is a fast Emile Heskey if you get my point.
Really hope the OX can carry on progressing the way he's (albeit putting the ball in the back of the net - if only) as way better option then Walcott. Needs to score goals though.
We don't have many other options at the moment, but I do agree with the criticism.
A lot of people talk as if it's axiomatic that Walcott is better than Chamberlain, pointing to his goals and assists stats as evidence of his far superior final product. However, as you say, Walcott benefits from the fact that he essentially plays as a second/wide-striker, and when he's not making diagonal runs in-behind, he's generally not adding much to the team.
Walcott's running-in-behind is a good option to have, but in general, I prefer the overall contribution that Chamberlain provides.
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comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 22 seconds ago
Agree. After being out for a year he is not match fit again. Think he shouldnt start games in this form. Give him 20-25 min in the second half.
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Honestly i dont think it has anything to do with match fitness. I just think he is more interested in scoring goals than anything else and the best way to do this is to always be as high up he pitch as possible. Honestly if chamberlain manages to fullfill his potential, i dont think walcott would get anywhere near the team.
For the mean time, there's no doubt Alexis and Ox on both wings gives us the best balance. If Walcott regains match sharpness (and he's still MILES away), then he has to start. He's a huge attacking threat. He has never been big on defensive duties, but that's what we have to sacrifice to get that penetration he offers with his runs.
comment by The Godfather (U10154)
posted 2 minutes ago
He is a goal and assist machine though, his returns are always outrageous. Thats his job. If we want tracking then we start Welbeck.
When Theo plays he is more or less a 2nd striker stuck out on the right. Its almost a 4-4-2 sometimes
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so what about sanchez? He offers plenty of support for his fullback and scores loads of goals. Its not one or the other.
what will you rather have, someone who tracks back and helps defensively but produces nothing in terms of assists and goals.
Or as godfather said, a goal and assist machine?
Here we go Ramsey is crap Walcott is crap Ozil is crap giroud is crap Wilshere is crap. Walcott might be limited but again he proves he is lethal in the box. I'll take that as a decent weapon. Should he start every game? No. Will he? No. Just be happy we have a player who can not play for a year and then come into the team and score three goals in four games.
so what about sanchez? He offers plenty of support for his fullback and scores loads of goals. Its not one or the other.
The comparison is not even worth the comparison
Ox could be whoever he wants to be in the next few years if he's committed enough to improve and works his ar.se off. He has immense raw qualities. Even his inaccurate shooting shows massive potential cos his shooting technique is very good. But a fit Walcott is still the better option in our system. Those saying otherwise have short memories on how muchmore dangerous our team often looked with Walcott in the past 3 seasons when he was fit.
comment by b10 (U18580)
posted 3 minutes ago
Ox is now well ahead of Walcott in my opinion.He will mostly play the home games otherwise away from home Theo will be a sub.Its a pity Reus has signed a new contract, wanted him to replace Theo
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Ox needs more goals. Thats all thats missing from his game. I think he is better than walcott in every other department right now. But hes not getting enough goals to completley get walcott out the team
No. Just be happy we have a player who can not play for a year and then come into the team and score three goals in four games.
This is Theo though, so I have to agree. His rather like the punter they bring on in American Football. Does that 1 job really well.
Let's not get carried away, Ox usually runs of steam after 60 mins
Definitely more talented but walcott all day long
comment by SupermaTheo (U19321)
posted 1 minute ago
Here we go Ramsey is crap Walcott is crap Ozil is crap giroud is crap Wilshere is crap. Walcott might be limited but again he proves he is lethal in the box. I'll take that as a decent weapon. Should he start every game? No. Will he? No. Just be happy we have a player who can not play for a year and then come into the team and score three goals in four games.
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Im not even saying they are crap. Im just saying that i dont think walcott works as hard for the team as other players do. and i dont think it has to do with match fitness. Thats just my personal opinion.
Ox needs more goals. Thats all thats missing from his game. I think he is better than walcott in every other department right now.
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Walcott's final ball and decision making is also better than Ox.
Look at how many dangerous positions walcott has got into since his return. Ox said himself he needs to learn trom walcott on his movement up front
Walcott's final ball and decision making is also better than Ox.
At the moment but lets face it there is 4 years difference between them.
Might it just have something to do with Walcott wanting to be a striker? Just doesn't feel like he has to track back.
his had chances to be a striker but never really made that position his. i think his to small and limited to be an out and out striker and is better off being the 2nd striker if you will, coming in from the wings.
Im not trying to start a theo vs ox debate. Used ox as an example as they play in the same position. Just saying i dont feel theo offers enough protection to his full back. If you watch games where he plays he counter attack down that side is ridiculous. He must surley realise in his head that he needs to get back.
it's amazing how many times a Theo Walcott thread like this goes up, indicative of the type of player he's.
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posted on 10/2/15
Agree. After being out for a year he is not match fit again. Think he shouldnt start games in this form. Give him 20-25 min in the second half.
posted on 10/2/15
He is a goal and assist machine though, his returns are always outrageous. Thats his job. If we want tracking then we start Welbeck.
When Theo plays he is more or less a 2nd striker stuck out on the right. Its almost a 4-4-2 sometimes
posted on 10/2/15
A few more games and he will get into the grove of things.
It's very rare walcott has a quiet game. Something always happens and today was no different
He is still our most potent attvking player and that finish was made to look easy
posted on 10/2/15
Ox is now well ahead of Walcott in my opinion.He will mostly play the home games otherwise away from home Theo will be a sub.Its a pity Reus has signed a new contract, wanted him to replace Theo
posted on 10/2/15
Theo TBH is a fast Emile Heskey if you get my point.
Really hope the OX can carry on progressing the way he's (albeit putting the ball in the back of the net - if only) as way better option then Walcott. Needs to score goals though.
posted on 10/2/15
We don't have many other options at the moment, but I do agree with the criticism.
A lot of people talk as if it's axiomatic that Walcott is better than Chamberlain, pointing to his goals and assists stats as evidence of his far superior final product. However, as you say, Walcott benefits from the fact that he essentially plays as a second/wide-striker, and when he's not making diagonal runs in-behind, he's generally not adding much to the team.
Walcott's running-in-behind is a good option to have, but in general, I prefer the overall contribution that Chamberlain provides.
posted on 10/2/15
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posted on 10/2/15
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 22 seconds ago
Agree. After being out for a year he is not match fit again. Think he shouldnt start games in this form. Give him 20-25 min in the second half.
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Honestly i dont think it has anything to do with match fitness. I just think he is more interested in scoring goals than anything else and the best way to do this is to always be as high up he pitch as possible. Honestly if chamberlain manages to fullfill his potential, i dont think walcott would get anywhere near the team.
posted on 10/2/15
For the mean time, there's no doubt Alexis and Ox on both wings gives us the best balance. If Walcott regains match sharpness (and he's still MILES away), then he has to start. He's a huge attacking threat. He has never been big on defensive duties, but that's what we have to sacrifice to get that penetration he offers with his runs.
posted on 10/2/15
comment by The Godfather (U10154)
posted 2 minutes ago
He is a goal and assist machine though, his returns are always outrageous. Thats his job. If we want tracking then we start Welbeck.
When Theo plays he is more or less a 2nd striker stuck out on the right. Its almost a 4-4-2 sometimes
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so what about sanchez? He offers plenty of support for his fullback and scores loads of goals. Its not one or the other.
posted on 10/2/15
what will you rather have, someone who tracks back and helps defensively but produces nothing in terms of assists and goals.
Or as godfather said, a goal and assist machine?
posted on 10/2/15
Here we go Ramsey is crap Walcott is crap Ozil is crap giroud is crap Wilshere is crap. Walcott might be limited but again he proves he is lethal in the box. I'll take that as a decent weapon. Should he start every game? No. Will he? No. Just be happy we have a player who can not play for a year and then come into the team and score three goals in four games.
posted on 10/2/15
so what about sanchez? He offers plenty of support for his fullback and scores loads of goals. Its not one or the other.
The comparison is not even worth the comparison
posted on 10/2/15
Ox could be whoever he wants to be in the next few years if he's committed enough to improve and works his ar.se off. He has immense raw qualities. Even his inaccurate shooting shows massive potential cos his shooting technique is very good. But a fit Walcott is still the better option in our system. Those saying otherwise have short memories on how muchmore dangerous our team often looked with Walcott in the past 3 seasons when he was fit.
posted on 10/2/15
comment by b10 (U18580)
posted 3 minutes ago
Ox is now well ahead of Walcott in my opinion.He will mostly play the home games otherwise away from home Theo will be a sub.Its a pity Reus has signed a new contract, wanted him to replace Theo
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Ox needs more goals. Thats all thats missing from his game. I think he is better than walcott in every other department right now. But hes not getting enough goals to completley get walcott out the team
posted on 10/2/15
No. Just be happy we have a player who can not play for a year and then come into the team and score three goals in four games.
This is Theo though, so I have to agree. His rather like the punter they bring on in American Football. Does that 1 job really well.
posted on 10/2/15
Let's not get carried away, Ox usually runs of steam after 60 mins
Definitely more talented but walcott all day long
posted on 10/2/15
comment by SupermaTheo (U19321)
posted 1 minute ago
Here we go Ramsey is crap Walcott is crap Ozil is crap giroud is crap Wilshere is crap. Walcott might be limited but again he proves he is lethal in the box. I'll take that as a decent weapon. Should he start every game? No. Will he? No. Just be happy we have a player who can not play for a year and then come into the team and score three goals in four games.
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Im not even saying they are crap. Im just saying that i dont think walcott works as hard for the team as other players do. and i dont think it has to do with match fitness. Thats just my personal opinion.
posted on 10/2/15
Ox needs more goals. Thats all thats missing from his game. I think he is better than walcott in every other department right now.
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Walcott's final ball and decision making is also better than Ox.
posted on 10/2/15
Look at how many dangerous positions walcott has got into since his return. Ox said himself he needs to learn trom walcott on his movement up front
posted on 10/2/15
Walcott's final ball and decision making is also better than Ox.
At the moment but lets face it there is 4 years difference between them.
posted on 10/2/15
Might it just have something to do with Walcott wanting to be a striker? Just doesn't feel like he has to track back.
posted on 10/2/15
his had chances to be a striker but never really made that position his. i think his to small and limited to be an out and out striker and is better off being the 2nd striker if you will, coming in from the wings.
posted on 10/2/15
Im not trying to start a theo vs ox debate. Used ox as an example as they play in the same position. Just saying i dont feel theo offers enough protection to his full back. If you watch games where he plays he counter attack down that side is ridiculous. He must surley realise in his head that he needs to get back.
posted on 10/2/15
it's amazing how many times a Theo Walcott thread like this goes up, indicative of the type of player he's.
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