Jupp Heynkes done exceptionally well at Bayern. LvG won the league and cup I believe. But for FC Hollywood that is par IMO.

I hope LvG succeeds btw.

I think there is an overreaction to lvg's progress to date, but Bayern is a terrible example

he failed there and was deservedly sacked.

Also take into account that managing Bayern is a very different job to managing other clubs. Bayern are the biggest club in Germany and are pretty much expected to win the league or at least challenge every season, they can out muscle every other club in the league. The same can not be said of managing any club in England, even United.

Bayern not really a good argument here. They couldn't wait for Van Gaal to pack his bags eventually.

Some of the stuff said about LVG by former Bayern greats like Beckenbauer was really personal towards the end.

It's quite simple.

Ask yourselves, will we win the league under LVG?

If the answer is no then he has to go, surely???

Reddevil

While I'm not massively impressed with LVG so far I think it's still too early to know TBH. Things could massively improve next season, or they could not, virtually impossible to say right now.

Although I would say I find it strange that some feel he will radically improve us next season after a summer of transfers. Surely improvements to a side are done gradually over time? Top 4 is the priority but you would also hope to see some small signs of us improving as a side rather that a big instant improvement from next season.

The guy deserved time to show us what he is trying to do but I am still concerned.

comment by Reddevils double (U12215)
posted 16 minutes ago
It's quite simple.

Ask yourselves, will we win the league under LVG?

If the answer is no then he has to go, surely???
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What makes you think we will not?

I think we will - eventually.

MUDD

We don't know but I would say that success isn't necessarily any more likely than not. LVG reign at our club is short so improvements will likely to have to be made fairly soon, IMO chelsea are in a far stronger position, in terms of having a better squad, a better manager, a better transfer policy, playing as a team and having balance. City as well right now are also better placed and both have resources to continue to improve. For us to succeed it's most likely we will have to overcome these 2 sides and for me that's a huge task, one that LVG is capable of but also one he could quite easily not.

Right this second I've just seem little to suggest we will be a much better side next season, of course I may be wrong, just not yet convinced.

1982, Chelsea and City have to do some rebuilding next year or two and their squad depth particularly Chelsea is not great

I'm keeping an open mind. LvG has always delivered titles. We'll see

Mud - I think Chelsea and City are very strong, arsenal are improving rapidly. I also haven't seen the improvement I hoped for under LVG so to make me think we will really push them next season either.

What makes you think we will?

Any team needs fairly regular rebuilding though and IMO Chelsea's squad is very healthy with a great mix of youth and experience with the ability to attract arguably more players than us with location although maybe less so with money.

I just personally feel our squad needs greater work done than either Chelsea or City which will be tough to do as well as getting them to play as a team and be a top team.

LvGs record, really is that simple. We already pass the ball better, retain it better. We just need to raise the tempo.

MUDD

Better possession doesn't always mean much though, it's about what you do with it. Some teams are comfortable allowing the opposition possession. Just look at Arsenal, a team know for possession yet they beat City recently by conceding possession. I don't necessarily believe possession based football is the answer to us being successful again either.

We are still a LONG way off being a good side IMO.

Chelsea's squad isn't young

they won't have issues for a couple of years but it's core is mid to late 20s rather than early to mid 20s

Chelsea need a bench, their first 11 is very good.

Terry is at the end of his career, Ivanovic not that far off, Cahill is mediocre. No replacements at the club

City's options are not great as demonstrated when you're left for the afcon

We are 2-3 players away from being a force not only in the prem but in Europe.

I am happy to wait

fair MuDD

Courtois
Ivanović Cahill Terry Azpilicueta
Matic Cesc
Willian Oscar Hazard
Costa

Chelsea's strongest team with an average age of 26.5 which also has some very good squad players which they will only likely to improve on in the summer. The fact their best team is so easy to name shows how organised and balanced they are, add their brilliant manager and they are in a incredibly strong position to be there or there abouts for the next 2/3 years (the persiod LVG is likely to stay at the club).

To overtake them will take a lot of work.

MUDD

But it's one thing getting the players, it's a whole other thing implementing them into a working system. Something LVG has yet to prove he can do with us.

I'm not saying he can't, I'm just saying it will be very hard to do.

Cahill is part of one of the best CB pairings in club football. IvanovicIs the best defender in the league and has not yet turned 30.

Chelsea need a bench?

How about zouma, Filipe, Milkel, cuardado, remy,

That's the thing, if it's just a case of us needing 3/4 players (arguably more) then why can you not also apply to that to Chelsea and City who need less first teamers and more squad players.

This summer it would be great if we would bring in at least 1 quality CB (ideally 2), a top RB, a top winger and possibly a quality midfielder or striker depending on what is needed. Many players will also need to be sold and balance might need to be fixed through the addition of 1 or 2 squad players being brought in.

Chelsea on the other hand only really need to look at bringing in a quality CB and striker and even they aren't essential for next season to be starters, more a case of filling the squad.

Chelsea just need minor tweaks, we need major surgery and to find a system that will work which will take a long time.

I totally disagree about Chelsea. Everything is in place for them to carry on wining trophies. They have so many good players on loan..some of whom are very talented . Zouma looks the part and probably they will buy another young CB, maybe Varane. They won the FA youth cup and U21 league and as Maureen says several of those will go on to make it.
Personally think we are a long way behind Chelsea and City atm. The buys are a mixture now of Moyes and LVgs and a further change may mean that nay new manager wants his own players. Think we stick with him and give him the time, providing he gets top 4

BTW, whoever was/is our manager, the task of overtaking Chelsea and City is a very tough one.

Top 4 is all well and good at the end of the season but that doesn't mean vast improvements will automatically happen on the pitch. We still have so many issues that need fixing and so far I don't see much to suggest LVG can sort them out.

Those saying LVG was a failure at Bayern are either trying to rewrite history or don't have a clue.

As the op says, there were huge question marks over him in his first season, but eventually won the league title and made the CL final. I've brought this up in the past as I feel his time there is looked upon negatively because of how he left.

He had to give the squad an overhaul and he built the backbone of the squad you see today. He signed Robben, played Muller, moved Schweinseiger to defensive midfield.

We haven't signed LVG to manage us for a decade, but if he leaves us in 2/3 years with a squad and playing style similar to Bayerns (pre-Pep) I'll be very happy.

I don't think most feel he failed at Bayern but succeeding there was probably an easier job seeing how powerful Bayern are domestically, we on the other had have a far bigger threat domestically.

He was also only there for just under 2 seasons with his titles coming in the first so you could argue his success there was quite quick, not the longer term we hope to see in the next season or 2. He helped put in place some important elements at Bayern such as bringing through their youth but not all the success of their youth academy should be laid on LVG, I'm sure many of these players would have had a good chance of breaking through the first team irrelevant of LVG although he of course deserves credit for doing so.

LVG was an important part of rebuilding Bayern's recent success but he wasn't the only reason.

The United job is a more complex one, we do not dominate the domestic league the way Bayern do, I'm not sure we have the quality in our youth set up as he did at Bayern and people are expecting improvements in our 2nd and possibly 3rd season with LVG, something he didn't do with Bayern.

He is no doubt a legendary coach who has achieved great things, but he has also failed. Whether he will succeed with us or not is still unknown.