No

I was one who was disappointed when United signed him up from under our noses.

I guess we are all guilty of thinking a big shot manager or player will come in and make an immediate impact. Perhaps the United job is just not that simple, even though he has been allowed to spend big money.

They are in a better position than they were, but not playing in the United way, the exciting United of old. Playing similar to the way Spurs were playing under AVB, possession rather than forward movement and pace.

I think it is a bit soon to suggest that LVG has failed. Perhaps it will take another year to get them back to their former position. Or perhaps he will fail.

I would say that he could still turn things around for United if he's given long enough, but for me he's been poor and certainly hasn't helped himself with his team selections and set up. It's a very big club and a very big task to try and match up to what Ferguson left them with though, and for me there's only 2 men who I think could guarantee that fairly quickly while all others would be a risk, and that's Mourinho and Guardiola.

still a top manager, utd job has too much pressure and new players always need a whole season.

his age is his downfall, utd need to stick with him if they want to to rebuild

I did this article an age ago.

General consensus was we're happier with what we have now.

comment by adam85 (U9560)
posted 3 minutes ago
I did this article an age ago.

General consensus was we're happier with what we have now.
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Not quite sure what you consider "an age ago", but if it is a bit early at the moment to make a judgement on LVG it was certainly premature "an age ago".

Ok Mr pedantic, am sorry for offending your time frame sensibilities. An age ago in terms of the season, as in, nearer the start of the season, when United had the easiest start on paper of many teams and weren't performing.

Does that clear up what I meant sufficiently? If not, just check my profile, I don't do many articles, so should be easy to find. You should gauge the times I refer to from there.

My word, some people are so easy to upset.

I wasn't asking you to define when you wrote your article, just pointing out that (today) I think it is bit early to judge LVG so any point in history prior to today, was far to early to judge him, in my opinion.

And your consensus you refer to was probably borne out of scorn for someone who chose another club over us. Couldn't possibly be on his record, because he hardly has one at United, even now.

I know he had built up a reputation many years ago, but has time passed him by, or is he just clueless about football in this country?

For me he's still trying to live off changing the traditional Dutch way of football at the World Cup (formation and tactics) and thinks he can suddenly re-invent football. His decisions baffle me, and how he's been there for 6/7 months and they still look like they don't know what they should be doing is a damning indictment of his reign.

Not upset at all Bill, just find you (or at least you written though out opinions) largely tedious.

How is it you see it too early to judge? We are a large way through the season, and he still has no idea what system suits his team the best, no idea what his best team is, no idea what tactics get the best out of those on the pitch, and, solely basing it on my opinion from what I've seen, little idea of how to motivate his team.

And as the original post asks what say we now? I assume that it's asking us to judge at this moment in time. As it was when I asked the question. Time may change opinion, but I doubt there is a single Spurs fan out there today that would trade LVG for Poch currently.

*thought out opinion

I said on here yesterday or the day before, I watched United vs Arsenal earlier in the season and they robbed Arsenal blind that day, could have easily lost by 3 or 4 that day, they were awful. They look no better now than they did back then.

comment by adam85 (U9560)
posted 46 seconds ago
Not upset at all Bill, just find you (or at least you written though out opinions) largely tedious.

How is it you see it too early to judge? We are a large way through the season, and he still has no idea what system suits his team the best, no idea what his best team is, no idea what tactics get the best out of those on the pitch, and, solely basing it on my opinion from what I've seen, little idea of how to motivate his team.

And as the original post asks what say we now? I assume that it's asking us to judge at this moment in time. As it was when I asked the question. Time may change opinion, but I doubt there is a single Spurs fan out there today that would trade LVG for Poch currently.
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Yet for all that negativity about him, he and his team are sitting 4th in he league, well placed to maintain that position, only having lost only two of the last twenty matches the team have played.

Not bad for a failure.

But what has happened is that he has failed to carry the supporters with him because of the style of play, which we, or certainly I, was completely pisssed off about when AVB tried it at Spurs.

So in answer to your question why do I consider it too early to judge, it is because, despite the criticism I would rather Spurs were in their position even though only time will tell if he improves on what he took over.

The fact that most Spurs fans would not swap our manager for LVG is neither here nor there, we are discussing LVG.

You're perfectly right, United do sit in the top 4. Where you one of the supporters of Sherwood to keep his job in the summer or against it? (I assume for it, as I know the majority were against and you do so love an opposite viewpoint)

I only ask because, general consensus was we picked up a lot of points in spite of Sherwood rather than because of him.

United has a team packed with quality, at an expense that would make Levy's eyes water, and, despite several early injuries, top 4 is the absolute minimum, not a success.

For a team like Spurs, absolute minimum is about 7-8th, we're above that.
A team like Villa, absolute minimum is 17th, they dropped below, Lambert lost his job.
For United, after what they spent, absolute minimum is 4th.

Is LVG a success? No, not in my book. At least not presently which is what the article is asking.

No, I thought Sherwood was a prat. And despite him having a good win percentage I have said on many occasions that the win percentage was based on too few games and was invalid.

Please read my first comment on this thread, you will see, quite clearly my view is that it is too early to judge LVG. Your view is different, fair enough. But you qualify that with your last comment, "not presently" which seems to suggest that you will review your opinion in the future.

There you go, we agree!!!

Not at all, read my comment, I did say, time may change opinion, but asked if I still rate LVG, the answer is no.

I rated his record when we were linked with him. But I didn't rate his style at the World Cup, but got results.
Seeing him this year, the quality United have has pulled the through, but I don't rate him.

Not too sure what we're arguing over here, but you say it's too soon to judge him, I'm saying it can't be as I've already judged him.

Fight! Fight! Fight!

I wouldn’t say LVG is past it but sometimes a manager does not suit a certain league.

What gets me is you get ex-players and pundits saying LVG needs 3 years - yet Moyes weren’t given a full season - and they didnt quote the 3 season rule back then.

I personally hate all this "he needs 3 years" stuff. If a potential manager cannot look at the squad at hand and think he can make an immediate improvement then he is not the right man for the job.

Of course it can take 3 years to get back to the top, but no manager should need 3 years to make an improvement. And this goes for anyone - not just LVG.