They said on Talksport that the TV deal has gone up 70%, but the amount given to grass routes football has only gone up 40%.
These numbers tell a different story
I hope their generosity extends to the poor sods who stump up a fortune to actually go to the games. Cut prices, introduce safe standing, take the clubs away from the corporates and encourage real fans.
It's still every club in the PL giving £50 million each to the rest of English football.
How many other leagues would do that?
Wasn't it just the domestic tv rights that went up 70% I thought the foreign rights had much smaller growth?
Or is this giveaway only out of the domestic rights anyway?
Of course other countries don't give as much, because the TV deals are a lot smaller.
I'm not saying this isn't a good thing but it is being exaggerated.
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comment by vidicthelegend VIVA LA REVOLUTION (U8735)
posted 6 minutes ago
They said on Talksport that the TV deal has gone up 70%, but the amount given to grass routes football has only gone up 40%.
These numbers tell a different story
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No they don't. This new offer for lower league and grassroots football (the majority of which is the parachute payments for the football league clubs) is only a 40% increase after revenues increased 70%. Proportionately the big clubs will be sharing a smaller proportion of the TV money with the rest of English football.
The fact is that Richard Scudamore has presented this as a great deal for grassroots, but the amount it will receive is not increasing as quickly as the amounts going to the top of the game, and hence the game will become increasingly polarised.
To really reform grassroots football there needs to be both more money and more willingness to provide funds and facilities for non-league football, and particularly coaching.
comment by vidicthelegend VIVA LA REVOLUTION (U8735)
posted 4 minutes ago
Of course other countries don't give as much, because the TV deals are a lot smaller.
I'm not saying this isn't a good thing but it is being exaggerated.
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I think that's part of the point though. La Liga, the league some think is the best league in the world has a huge black mark against it because they gave a pretty big TV deal and the big two take the lions share of it themselves. If they ever found themselves with a £5 billion TV deal I'd find it hard to believe the big two would share the money equally with the smaller la Liga clubs let alone the lower level league clubs.
You're article is to do with ethics- and has little to do with the actual quality of the football.
If you're going to base the best league on simply how clubs are treated and fans are treated then the Bundesliga is lightyears ahead of anyone else.
comment by Marcelino- Bailando (U6171)
posted 14 seconds ago
You're article is to do with ethics- and has little to do with the actual quality of the football.
If you're going to base the best league on simply how clubs are treated and fans are treated then the Bundesliga is lightyears ahead of anyone else.
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Not really. Fans still are behind cages in Germany. It's still pretty expensive to see some games and the level of hooliganism is pretty high in Germany. I lived there for 6 months and saw a slightly different side to what is portrayed. Love Germany but its football is not perfect.
As for this article, it's just one thing combined with lots of other things.
High number of competitive teams, exciting football, big names, massive interest all over the world along with many other things.
I personally think the quality of the sides in the PL this season is down on other years but that hardly impacts the all round competitiveness of the league. When you add up lots of factors then the PL surely has to be the best league in the world. Simply having Barca and real can't make la Liga the best when the rest of the league is struggling to stay in business.
I usually go by the coefficients, they are not the biased opinions of individual fans but a mathematical evaluation of the leagues performances in Europe over a few years.
Spain top, PL 2nd, Bundesliga 3rd.
Or it was last time I looked anyway...
Yet again, you simply palm off La Liga as a simply being about Barcelona and Real Madrid.
Since the Milennium there have been four Spanish teams in Champions League finals and four English teams in Champions League finals.
Since the Milennium there have been five different winners of La Liga and four different winners of the Premier League?
And the La Liga teams you utterly disregard seem to do well in the Europa League too.
People seem to just hate on La Liga despite most of the good football in the Premier League having a strong La Liga influence upon it.
Saf, is that really a fair way to judge a league? How they do in Europe? Especially when the thing that makes the PL so popular to watch is a style that isn't really condusive to European football.
Of course it is fair to judge it on Europe.
It is not the style of the Premier League that makes it so popular- what exactly is this style anyway, as far as I can see you're comparing apples and oranges if you tell me clubs like Chelsea and others like Liverpool have a common style?
The Premier League's greatest success was being very economically liberal in opening itself up to new markets, it was miles ahead of any other league in doing this and has retained a large number of the supporters from the likes of Asia for example.
Robb
http://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/305302
What has changed in the last two weeks?
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comment by vidicthelegend VIVA LA REVOLUTION (U8735)
posted 45 seconds ago
Robb
http://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/305302
What has changed in the last two weeks?
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The first article was just a stick to beat Louis Van Gaal with; this is now Robb reverting to his crazed sycophantic ramblings about anything to do with the Premier League.
comment by vidicthelegend VIVA LA REVOLUTION (U8735)
posted 1 minute ago
Robb
What has changed in the last two weeks?
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I've said above I think the quality of teams in the PL is lower this season. But it's a temporary thing. I'm looking at the bigger picture of the strength of the entire league from a monetary sense and how the set up is designed to keep the entire league strong long term rather than a league like la Liga which really only looks after the elite.
comment by Curly - 55 May be more than 45 but 20 is far better than 80 (U1103)
posted 2 minutes ago
Saf, is that really a fair way to judge a league? How they do in Europe? Especially when the thing that makes the PL so popular to watch is a style that isn't really condusive to European football.
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Well it is certainly fairer than judging it on how much money they give to the lower leagues, that is just a bonkers way of judging whether a league is the best in the world
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Exactly, best commonly refers to ability, not generousity to the lower leagues.
Best at giving money away to lower leagues?
But if you just say best league people assume better teams in terms of ability...
It's like saying Bob the average electrician is the best of all the electricians because he gives more money to charity....
Might be the nicest electrician, but the best? No.
Deportivo
Barcelona
Valencia
Real Madrid
Mallorca
Real Sociedad
Villarreal
Sevilla
Atlético Madrid
All finished in the top three in Spain since 2000, in England this is only six clubs: Arsenal, Chelsea, Leeds, Liverpool, Manchester United and Manchester City.
Why has La Liga had more winners than the Premier League since 2000, an equal amount of Champions League finalists, and finally three more clubs to have finished in the top three? Wouldn't this suggest that it's hardly just about two teams and the rest are all League One quality?
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Competitiveness?
Number of League Winners Since 2000:
England: 4 (Arsenal, Chelsea, Manchester City and Manchester United)
France: 8 (AS Monaco, Bordeaux, Lille, Lyon, Marseille, Montpellier, Nantes, PSG)
Germany: 5 (Bayern Munich, Borussia Dortmund, Stuttgart, Werder Bremen, Wolfsburg)
Italy: 5 (Inter, Juventus, Lazio, Milan, Roma)
Spain: 5 (Atlético, Barcelona, Deportivo, Real Madrid)
In no way am I saying these leagues are very competitive, but Robb really needs a reality check if he believes the Premier League is lightyears ahead in terms of competitiveness. The European performances show it up, the amount of winners show it up, and finally the amount of different clubs at the top of the league show it up too!
comment by Marcelino- Bailando (U6171)
posted 11 minutes ago
Deportivo
Barcelona
Valencia
Real Madrid
Mallorca
Real Sociedad
Villarreal
Sevilla
Atlético Madrid
All finished in the top three in Spain since 2000, in England this is only six clubs: Arsenal, Chelsea, Leeds, Liverpool, Manchester United and Manchester City.
Why has La Liga had more winners than the Premier League since 2000, an equal amount of Champions League finalists, and finally three more clubs to have finished in the top three? Wouldn't this suggest that it's hardly just about two teams and the rest are all League One quality?
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your fighting a losing battle here
barca and real are la liga
athletico did wonders to win last season and it took something special to do it.
look at the spend and the league positions of barca/madrid over the last decade.
you will get different teams finishing 3rd of 4th but really the league is all about barca and madrid.
no club comes close to matching their revenue, their league positions or the tv money they get.
how much money have barca/real spent on just their attacks over the last few years? neymar 70 odd millon, suarez 65m, ronaldo 80m, bale 85m, rodriguez 60m, and probably some other ive missed.
not club comes close to that in la liga. in the pl you have teams like spurs, pool, arsenal, man utd, man city, chelsea all able to spend a decent amount and mount a challenge. even then they dont spend the obscene amounts barring utd this last year who were quite frugal in the market over the last few years
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posted on 28/3/15
Fair play.
posted on 28/3/15
They said on Talksport that the TV deal has gone up 70%, but the amount given to grass routes football has only gone up 40%.
These numbers tell a different story
posted on 28/3/15
I hope their generosity extends to the poor sods who stump up a fortune to actually go to the games. Cut prices, introduce safe standing, take the clubs away from the corporates and encourage real fans.
posted on 28/3/15
It's still every club in the PL giving £50 million each to the rest of English football.
How many other leagues would do that?
posted on 28/3/15
Wasn't it just the domestic tv rights that went up 70% I thought the foreign rights had much smaller growth?
Or is this giveaway only out of the domestic rights anyway?
posted on 28/3/15
Of course other countries don't give as much, because the TV deals are a lot smaller.
I'm not saying this isn't a good thing but it is being exaggerated.
posted on 28/3/15
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posted on 28/3/15
comment by vidicthelegend VIVA LA REVOLUTION (U8735)
posted 6 minutes ago
They said on Talksport that the TV deal has gone up 70%, but the amount given to grass routes football has only gone up 40%.
These numbers tell a different story
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No they don't. This new offer for lower league and grassroots football (the majority of which is the parachute payments for the football league clubs) is only a 40% increase after revenues increased 70%. Proportionately the big clubs will be sharing a smaller proportion of the TV money with the rest of English football.
The fact is that Richard Scudamore has presented this as a great deal for grassroots, but the amount it will receive is not increasing as quickly as the amounts going to the top of the game, and hence the game will become increasingly polarised.
To really reform grassroots football there needs to be both more money and more willingness to provide funds and facilities for non-league football, and particularly coaching.
posted on 28/3/15
comment by vidicthelegend VIVA LA REVOLUTION (U8735)
posted 4 minutes ago
Of course other countries don't give as much, because the TV deals are a lot smaller.
I'm not saying this isn't a good thing but it is being exaggerated.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think that's part of the point though. La Liga, the league some think is the best league in the world has a huge black mark against it because they gave a pretty big TV deal and the big two take the lions share of it themselves. If they ever found themselves with a £5 billion TV deal I'd find it hard to believe the big two would share the money equally with the smaller la Liga clubs let alone the lower level league clubs.
posted on 28/3/15
You're article is to do with ethics- and has little to do with the actual quality of the football.
If you're going to base the best league on simply how clubs are treated and fans are treated then the Bundesliga is lightyears ahead of anyone else.
posted on 28/3/15
comment by Marcelino- Bailando (U6171)
posted 14 seconds ago
You're article is to do with ethics- and has little to do with the actual quality of the football.
If you're going to base the best league on simply how clubs are treated and fans are treated then the Bundesliga is lightyears ahead of anyone else.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not really. Fans still are behind cages in Germany. It's still pretty expensive to see some games and the level of hooliganism is pretty high in Germany. I lived there for 6 months and saw a slightly different side to what is portrayed. Love Germany but its football is not perfect.
As for this article, it's just one thing combined with lots of other things.
High number of competitive teams, exciting football, big names, massive interest all over the world along with many other things.
I personally think the quality of the sides in the PL this season is down on other years but that hardly impacts the all round competitiveness of the league. When you add up lots of factors then the PL surely has to be the best league in the world. Simply having Barca and real can't make la Liga the best when the rest of the league is struggling to stay in business.
posted on 28/3/15
I usually go by the coefficients, they are not the biased opinions of individual fans but a mathematical evaluation of the leagues performances in Europe over a few years.
Spain top, PL 2nd, Bundesliga 3rd.
Or it was last time I looked anyway...
posted on 28/3/15
Yet again, you simply palm off La Liga as a simply being about Barcelona and Real Madrid.
Since the Milennium there have been four Spanish teams in Champions League finals and four English teams in Champions League finals.
Since the Milennium there have been five different winners of La Liga and four different winners of the Premier League?
And the La Liga teams you utterly disregard seem to do well in the Europa League too.
People seem to just hate on La Liga despite most of the good football in the Premier League having a strong La Liga influence upon it.
posted on 28/3/15
Saf, is that really a fair way to judge a league? How they do in Europe? Especially when the thing that makes the PL so popular to watch is a style that isn't really condusive to European football.
posted on 28/3/15
Of course it is fair to judge it on Europe.
It is not the style of the Premier League that makes it so popular- what exactly is this style anyway, as far as I can see you're comparing apples and oranges if you tell me clubs like Chelsea and others like Liverpool have a common style?
The Premier League's greatest success was being very economically liberal in opening itself up to new markets, it was miles ahead of any other league in doing this and has retained a large number of the supporters from the likes of Asia for example.
posted on 28/3/15
Robb
http://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/305302
What has changed in the last two weeks?
posted on 28/3/15
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posted on 28/3/15
comment by vidicthelegend VIVA LA REVOLUTION (U8735)
posted 45 seconds ago
Robb
http://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/305302
What has changed in the last two weeks?
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The first article was just a stick to beat Louis Van Gaal with; this is now Robb reverting to his crazed sycophantic ramblings about anything to do with the Premier League.
posted on 28/3/15
comment by vidicthelegend VIVA LA REVOLUTION (U8735)
posted 1 minute ago
Robb
What has changed in the last two weeks?
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I've said above I think the quality of teams in the PL is lower this season. But it's a temporary thing. I'm looking at the bigger picture of the strength of the entire league from a monetary sense and how the set up is designed to keep the entire league strong long term rather than a league like la Liga which really only looks after the elite.
posted on 28/3/15
Fair enough
posted on 28/3/15
comment by Curly - 55 May be more than 45 but 20 is far better than 80 (U1103)
posted 2 minutes ago
Saf, is that really a fair way to judge a league? How they do in Europe? Especially when the thing that makes the PL so popular to watch is a style that isn't really condusive to European football.
++++
Well it is certainly fairer than judging it on how much money they give to the lower leagues, that is just a bonkers way of judging whether a league is the best in the world
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Exactly, best commonly refers to ability, not generousity to the lower leagues.
Best at giving money away to lower leagues?
But if you just say best league people assume better teams in terms of ability...
It's like saying Bob the average electrician is the best of all the electricians because he gives more money to charity....
Might be the nicest electrician, but the best? No.
posted on 28/3/15
Deportivo
Barcelona
Valencia
Real Madrid
Mallorca
Real Sociedad
Villarreal
Sevilla
Atlético Madrid
All finished in the top three in Spain since 2000, in England this is only six clubs: Arsenal, Chelsea, Leeds, Liverpool, Manchester United and Manchester City.
Why has La Liga had more winners than the Premier League since 2000, an equal amount of Champions League finalists, and finally three more clubs to have finished in the top three? Wouldn't this suggest that it's hardly just about two teams and the rest are all League One quality?
posted on 28/3/15
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posted on 28/3/15
Competitiveness?
Number of League Winners Since 2000:
England: 4 (Arsenal, Chelsea, Manchester City and Manchester United)
France: 8 (AS Monaco, Bordeaux, Lille, Lyon, Marseille, Montpellier, Nantes, PSG)
Germany: 5 (Bayern Munich, Borussia Dortmund, Stuttgart, Werder Bremen, Wolfsburg)
Italy: 5 (Inter, Juventus, Lazio, Milan, Roma)
Spain: 5 (Atlético, Barcelona, Deportivo, Real Madrid)
In no way am I saying these leagues are very competitive, but Robb really needs a reality check if he believes the Premier League is lightyears ahead in terms of competitiveness. The European performances show it up, the amount of winners show it up, and finally the amount of different clubs at the top of the league show it up too!
posted on 28/3/15
comment by Marcelino- Bailando (U6171)
posted 11 minutes ago
Deportivo
Barcelona
Valencia
Real Madrid
Mallorca
Real Sociedad
Villarreal
Sevilla
Atlético Madrid
All finished in the top three in Spain since 2000, in England this is only six clubs: Arsenal, Chelsea, Leeds, Liverpool, Manchester United and Manchester City.
Why has La Liga had more winners than the Premier League since 2000, an equal amount of Champions League finalists, and finally three more clubs to have finished in the top three? Wouldn't this suggest that it's hardly just about two teams and the rest are all League One quality?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
your fighting a losing battle here
barca and real are la liga
athletico did wonders to win last season and it took something special to do it.
look at the spend and the league positions of barca/madrid over the last decade.
you will get different teams finishing 3rd of 4th but really the league is all about barca and madrid.
no club comes close to matching their revenue, their league positions or the tv money they get.
how much money have barca/real spent on just their attacks over the last few years? neymar 70 odd millon, suarez 65m, ronaldo 80m, bale 85m, rodriguez 60m, and probably some other ive missed.
not club comes close to that in la liga. in the pl you have teams like spurs, pool, arsenal, man utd, man city, chelsea all able to spend a decent amount and mount a challenge. even then they dont spend the obscene amounts barring utd this last year who were quite frugal in the market over the last few years
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