Inventor "concerning just league greatness Chelsea's team were amongst the best but nowehere near as good as the Invincibles"
Hmmmm if only there were some way to quantify it. Oh wait, there is!!!! That’s right Chelsea were a clear five points and +10 goal difference better. Glad we cleared that up.
comment by Inventor (U6157)
posted 3 minutes ago
If so forgive me I thought we were only talking about the league as the OP is crediting you for your inevitable title win.
If it's great teams overall then wuite a few teams match Chelsea's 04-05. Arsenal's other double winning campaigns were just as good as the first team to gain some bravery and really challenge United on a yearly basis.
Liverpool CL in 05 is much more suited to the underdog status as Chelsea CL win in 12.
If it's overall then Chelsea's 04-05 team don't stand out at all but concerning just league greatness Chelsea's team were amongst the best but nowehere near as good as the Invincibles
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They drew nearly a third of their games that season.
Invincibles
Leave that to Preston North End!
Man Utd won the Treble in 99 and won the League with less than 80 points. They have a case for being the best ever Premiership side. You cannot tell me Arsenal in 2004 or Chelsea the year after were simply better because they had more points in a different season.
Fair point, points totals are completely relative.
See you remember Preston as being invincibles, that proves how great an achievement.
Who remembers a high points tally? Who had that record before Chelsea, or before them, those records come and go, but undefeated leagues do not.
Imagine a pub quiz in 2060, what team went undefeated in the English premiership before the country became a dependency of China?
People will know the answer.
Who won the league in 2005, Chelsea fans will know the answer.
That's the difference
Makes a nice headline, points are better though, obviously as that is the whole point of the league format.
Chelsea fans downplaying going unbeaten despite talking about doing it every week before december
They just wanna be loved, bless em
Cheese1886 (U12971)
I actually agree, which is why I said Utd's treble winning side and Arsenal's invincibles will be the two sides remembered from each decade.
Just like I feel Liverpool's comeback vs Milan will be remembered/ talked about more than Chelsea or Utd's CL wins afterwards.
Cities title win will also be remembered for a long time, purely for the Aguero moment.
Who is downplaying it? It is a brilliant achievement.
However, had both teams had the seasons in question during the same season who have been crowned champions?
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comment by The Droog (U17596)
posted 4 minutes ago
Who is downplaying it? It is a brilliant achievement.
However, had both teams had the seasons in question during the same season who have been crowned champions?
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Again, that's an impossible question to answer since Arsenal peaked in that season and Chelsea the following. Perhaps the teams who came up were of lower standard ect.
comment by Inventor (U6157)
posted 9 minutes ago
Chelsea fans downplaying going unbeaten despite talking about doing it every week before december
They just wanna be loved, bless em
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Just want to be champions .........not "loved"
As I said before this is all a bit premature ........ points not on the board yet
No it isn’t an exact science but we’re talking one season apart and a clear five point gap and 10+ goal difference. We can speculate but Chelsea did it.
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I mean CL win as a whole I've credited the Barca away win it and mentioned it was dramatic still not as good as our victory when we actually beat them at their own game.
Any decent side can get lucky by parking the bus and frustrating the opposition for long enough but to actually challenge the greatest footballing side ever in a possession based game is more admirable especially as we didn't spend as much money as they have which you did.
But take nothing away considering the circumstances it was a good victory for you lot but your whole run in general was a little embarrassing for such an expensive assembled squad the true underdog title doesn't fit
The teams that will be remembered aren't necessarily the best so I don't think it should bother anyone.
In my opinion Arsenal's 01/02 team is the best Arsenal team Wenger ever assembled. I also think United's 07/08 team was better than their treble winning team. Far less luck needed to achieve what they did and if not for a terrible ref in their match vs Portsmouth, would probably have won the treble again.
inventor, inventing his won reality, good for you, you are entitled to your own opinion, but it doesn't mean all agree
COYB
All i know is that CFC have spent the last decade with AFC in its rear view mirror .
I can't remember 1 single game AFC have played worth remembering.
Afc have one one cup in the last decade.
The one game i do remember was when CFC stuffed you on Vengers 1000th match, i was there and it will always stay with me ,when we sang Arsene Venger we want you to stay ,
Do you remember that inventor or weren't you at the game
Winning the CL, that was embarrassing was that.
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posted on 20/4/15
Inventor "concerning just league greatness Chelsea's team were amongst the best but nowehere near as good as the Invincibles"
Hmmmm if only there were some way to quantify it. Oh wait, there is!!!! That’s right Chelsea were a clear five points and +10 goal difference better. Glad we cleared that up.
posted on 20/4/15
comment by Inventor (U6157)
posted 3 minutes ago
If so forgive me I thought we were only talking about the league as the OP is crediting you for your inevitable title win.
If it's great teams overall then wuite a few teams match Chelsea's 04-05. Arsenal's other double winning campaigns were just as good as the first team to gain some bravery and really challenge United on a yearly basis.
Liverpool CL in 05 is much more suited to the underdog status as Chelsea CL win in 12.
If it's overall then Chelsea's 04-05 team don't stand out at all but concerning just league greatness Chelsea's team were amongst the best but nowehere near as good as the Invincibles
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They drew nearly a third of their games that season.
Invincibles
Leave that to Preston North End!
posted on 20/4/15
Man Utd won the Treble in 99 and won the League with less than 80 points. They have a case for being the best ever Premiership side. You cannot tell me Arsenal in 2004 or Chelsea the year after were simply better because they had more points in a different season.
posted on 20/4/15
Fair point, points totals are completely relative.
posted on 20/4/15
See you remember Preston as being invincibles, that proves how great an achievement.
Who remembers a high points tally? Who had that record before Chelsea, or before them, those records come and go, but undefeated leagues do not.
Imagine a pub quiz in 2060, what team went undefeated in the English premiership before the country became a dependency of China?
People will know the answer.
Who won the league in 2005, Chelsea fans will know the answer.
That's the difference
posted on 20/4/15
Makes a nice headline, points are better though, obviously as that is the whole point of the league format.
posted on 20/4/15
Chelsea fans downplaying going unbeaten despite talking about doing it every week before december
They just wanna be loved, bless em
posted on 20/4/15
Cheese1886 (U12971)
I actually agree, which is why I said Utd's treble winning side and Arsenal's invincibles will be the two sides remembered from each decade.
Just like I feel Liverpool's comeback vs Milan will be remembered/ talked about more than Chelsea or Utd's CL wins afterwards.
Cities title win will also be remembered for a long time, purely for the Aguero moment.
posted on 20/4/15
Who is downplaying it? It is a brilliant achievement.
However, had both teams had the seasons in question during the same season who have been crowned champions?
posted on 20/4/15
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posted on 20/4/15
comment by The Droog (U17596)
posted 4 minutes ago
Who is downplaying it? It is a brilliant achievement.
However, had both teams had the seasons in question during the same season who have been crowned champions?
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Again, that's an impossible question to answer since Arsenal peaked in that season and Chelsea the following. Perhaps the teams who came up were of lower standard ect.
posted on 20/4/15
comment by Inventor (U6157)
posted 9 minutes ago
Chelsea fans downplaying going unbeaten despite talking about doing it every week before december
They just wanna be loved, bless em
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Just want to be champions .........not "loved"
As I said before this is all a bit premature ........ points not on the board yet
posted on 20/4/15
No it isn’t an exact science but we’re talking one season apart and a clear five point gap and 10+ goal difference. We can speculate but Chelsea did it.
posted on 20/4/15
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posted on 20/4/15
I mean CL win as a whole I've credited the Barca away win it and mentioned it was dramatic still not as good as our victory when we actually beat them at their own game.
Any decent side can get lucky by parking the bus and frustrating the opposition for long enough but to actually challenge the greatest footballing side ever in a possession based game is more admirable especially as we didn't spend as much money as they have which you did.
But take nothing away considering the circumstances it was a good victory for you lot but your whole run in general was a little embarrassing for such an expensive assembled squad the true underdog title doesn't fit
posted on 20/4/15
The teams that will be remembered aren't necessarily the best so I don't think it should bother anyone.
In my opinion Arsenal's 01/02 team is the best Arsenal team Wenger ever assembled. I also think United's 07/08 team was better than their treble winning team. Far less luck needed to achieve what they did and if not for a terrible ref in their match vs Portsmouth, would probably have won the treble again.
posted on 20/4/15
inventor, inventing his won reality, good for you, you are entitled to your own opinion, but it doesn't mean all agree
COYB
posted on 20/4/15
All i know is that CFC have spent the last decade with AFC in its rear view mirror .
I can't remember 1 single game AFC have played worth remembering.
Afc have one one cup in the last decade.
The one game i do remember was when CFC stuffed you on Vengers 1000th match, i was there and it will always stay with me ,when we sang Arsene Venger we want you to stay ,
Do you remember that inventor or weren't you at the game
posted on 20/4/15
"won one "
posted on 20/4/15
Winning the CL, that was embarrassing was that.
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