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Well the full text of my article didn't come through. I was saying that Hillcroft is certainly opinionated. He says he is sick of people telling him what the club did in the past, and that there is no money for new players and anyone who thinks there is should get a reality check. Perhaps he is right.
Anyone out there? I get scared inthe dark...
Talking to yourself is the first sign of madness
Personally, I think hill is showing naievety and not showing the fans enough respect. We may not be managers, but we have been following this Club for many years. Referring to this 'reality check' the fans apparently need, I find slightly condescending. We know our history and our limitations far better than a manager who has only been in the championship for two minutes. I actually think the reality check sits with him right now, in realising this league is not League 1 and 2
I think Hills comments after the two home defeats, saying "if the fans want a new manager that's what the fans will get" will have alienated him from the supporters. I dont think he gives a toss what we think or say. He's going to take his money for the season or until he is relieved of his duties. From his comments I have drawn the inference that he regrets coming to Oakwell.
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I've been away but I've just got up to date with this weeks comments on here, BBS and Tykesmad and it seems to me that many fans are not offended by KH's comments. I understand that people don't always express themselves well but also some people don't understand very well.
Those who are critical of KH seem to think that it's alright to have a go at him but that he shouldn't be allowed to have a go back. Most of us who support the team know he's not having a go at us and those who are offended can do whatsoever they wish; stop going even, because, frankly my dears, I don't give a damn.
Excellent point, davedrew. The keyboard warriors are allowed to vilify Hill, but whoa betide if he has a pop back.
Way to go Hilly...
In answer to the title of this, it's dead cos thiz nowt ta moan abart! It's a sign of the times. When we lost those two home games everyone was on complaining and acting like real drama queens. Now we've picked up 4 points from two away games, people are satisfied, they can go about doing their own thing. Not a sign of praise from them. But as soon as we lose oh no! Back to the keyboard ranting! No wonder Keith Hill is stressed out with the fans! Silence when we're winning. Relentless booing when we're not! I say get 'em told Hill lad! Us proper SUPPORTERS know who we are and we're right behind ya. You Reds!!!
Wheeeyyy. We've gone up a place...
How on earth we didn't win at Forest...Hill out...
Personally I can't stand Hill, I've found him irritating in almost every interview I've seen. Having said that in terms of success it is very early in the season and I won't let my dislike for him determine what I believe his capabilities are regarding the football on the pitch. One thing I do like about him is that he seems to be a no nonsense kind of bloke and that will go a long way with some of the divas in the game these days.
Some people on the forums have got it in for Hillcroft.
Weve gone away and come back with points, so the fans cant grumble at the team, so they pick on Keith Hill.
He would offend some of them if he farted in his car on his way home.
One day the penny will drop with some fans regarding football finance and what to expect regarding player quality on low attendance's.
Who ever is manager at Oakwell will always have to wheel and deal in the lower leagues, so we have to give the man a chance and get off his back.
Get behind the team and the management.
When Keith Hill did a u-turn and accepted the managerial post he was well aware of the financial situation yet is using this as a crutch when the team are criticised. People are becoming tired of hearing we should know our position, if the leagues were based on attendances it would be a sad game, fans attend in the hope of upsets and that's where the manager can make a difference. Perhaps Hill should spend more time with the players instead of spending time with the press making veiled threats of resignation. It's time for Hill to get his head down and concentrate on football instead of his critics.
Pleased my post got some response and a bit of a debate over the manager going.
Yes - Hill is entitled to put his views across about "reality checks" and working on a limited budget, but I also agree with other contributors that it is sounding as if he is floundering a bit and may have bitten off more than he could chew. I am not jumping on any "HIll out" bandwagon - he needs more time, but to be football league manager you need a very thick skin, and it sounds to me as if he is taking the opinions of some people badly. It comes with the territory and as manager he can do nothing about it, so why even comment? He will be judged on results like all the others.
A rarity, but have to largely agree with you skinner. Keith Hill is dividing opinion. I'm 100% behind the Club as ever, but Hill has so much to learn at this level. On and off the pitch. I'll continue to back him, but reserve my right to criticise when he's blatantly wrong
Reading some of your comments is some what disheartening and proves Hills point. We have spend minus money so his job is to keep barnsley in the championship. If fitzcroft manage this they are saints. Hill is a very bright guy and is risking his very good record with a club that's trying to make more money than it spends. If they manage next season we will be laughing because the clubs that are spending more than they make and gambling on promotion will be punished next season. Up the reds respect hillcroft, if you know better go and manage a team. Only bad result this season is the Boro one however, if what I hear is true about the crowd getting on the teams back I'm not surprised. Get a grip and back the team and the idea of being a very well organised out fit (which we are)
I don't think it's important what KH says, it's what he does that counts, but some people think they know better (God knows why) and don't like it when he tells it like it is.
I trust him more than any fan and will support him whilever he is boss, whoever he picks and whatever tactics he uses because he knows better than us, and that is a fact.
You whingers better accept that or whinge somewhere else, the choice is yours, but please don't bore us who support BFC come what may.
Cool your jets davedrew, no one is attacking anyone.
If we all blindly follow the manager then there is no point in a discussion board!
Managers come and go - and god knows we have had too many over the last few years - the bums on seats who pay their hard earned money remain.
Opinions are like Ar$3hole$. Everyone has one. Everyone is entitled to one.
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posted on 27/8/11
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posted on 27/8/11
Well the full text of my article didn't come through. I was saying that Hillcroft is certainly opinionated. He says he is sick of people telling him what the club did in the past, and that there is no money for new players and anyone who thinks there is should get a reality check. Perhaps he is right.
Anyone out there? I get scared inthe dark...
posted on 27/8/11
Talking to yourself is the first sign of madness
posted on 28/8/11
Personally, I think hill is showing naievety and not showing the fans enough respect. We may not be managers, but we have been following this Club for many years. Referring to this 'reality check' the fans apparently need, I find slightly condescending. We know our history and our limitations far better than a manager who has only been in the championship for two minutes. I actually think the reality check sits with him right now, in realising this league is not League 1 and 2
posted on 28/8/11
I think Hills comments after the two home defeats, saying "if the fans want a new manager that's what the fans will get" will have alienated him from the supporters. I dont think he gives a toss what we think or say. He's going to take his money for the season or until he is relieved of his duties. From his comments I have drawn the inference that he regrets coming to Oakwell.
posted on 28/8/11
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posted on 28/8/11
I've been away but I've just got up to date with this weeks comments on here, BBS and Tykesmad and it seems to me that many fans are not offended by KH's comments. I understand that people don't always express themselves well but also some people don't understand very well.
Those who are critical of KH seem to think that it's alright to have a go at him but that he shouldn't be allowed to have a go back. Most of us who support the team know he's not having a go at us and those who are offended can do whatsoever they wish; stop going even, because, frankly my dears, I don't give a damn.
posted on 28/8/11
Excellent point, davedrew. The keyboard warriors are allowed to vilify Hill, but whoa betide if he has a pop back.
Way to go Hilly...
posted on 28/8/11
In answer to the title of this, it's dead cos thiz nowt ta moan abart! It's a sign of the times. When we lost those two home games everyone was on complaining and acting like real drama queens. Now we've picked up 4 points from two away games, people are satisfied, they can go about doing their own thing. Not a sign of praise from them. But as soon as we lose oh no! Back to the keyboard ranting! No wonder Keith Hill is stressed out with the fans! Silence when we're winning. Relentless booing when we're not! I say get 'em told Hill lad! Us proper SUPPORTERS know who we are and we're right behind ya. You Reds!!!
posted on 28/8/11
Wheeeyyy. We've gone up a place...
How on earth we didn't win at Forest...Hill out...
posted on 28/8/11
Personally I can't stand Hill, I've found him irritating in almost every interview I've seen. Having said that in terms of success it is very early in the season and I won't let my dislike for him determine what I believe his capabilities are regarding the football on the pitch. One thing I do like about him is that he seems to be a no nonsense kind of bloke and that will go a long way with some of the divas in the game these days.
posted on 28/8/11
Some people on the forums have got it in for Hillcroft.
Weve gone away and come back with points, so the fans cant grumble at the team, so they pick on Keith Hill.
He would offend some of them if he farted in his car on his way home.
One day the penny will drop with some fans regarding football finance and what to expect regarding player quality on low attendance's.
Who ever is manager at Oakwell will always have to wheel and deal in the lower leagues, so we have to give the man a chance and get off his back.
Get behind the team and the management.
posted on 28/8/11
When Keith Hill did a u-turn and accepted the managerial post he was well aware of the financial situation yet is using this as a crutch when the team are criticised. People are becoming tired of hearing we should know our position, if the leagues were based on attendances it would be a sad game, fans attend in the hope of upsets and that's where the manager can make a difference. Perhaps Hill should spend more time with the players instead of spending time with the press making veiled threats of resignation. It's time for Hill to get his head down and concentrate on football instead of his critics.
posted on 28/8/11
Pleased my post got some response and a bit of a debate over the manager going.
Yes - Hill is entitled to put his views across about "reality checks" and working on a limited budget, but I also agree with other contributors that it is sounding as if he is floundering a bit and may have bitten off more than he could chew. I am not jumping on any "HIll out" bandwagon - he needs more time, but to be football league manager you need a very thick skin, and it sounds to me as if he is taking the opinions of some people badly. It comes with the territory and as manager he can do nothing about it, so why even comment? He will be judged on results like all the others.
posted on 29/8/11
A rarity, but have to largely agree with you skinner. Keith Hill is dividing opinion. I'm 100% behind the Club as ever, but Hill has so much to learn at this level. On and off the pitch. I'll continue to back him, but reserve my right to criticise when he's blatantly wrong
posted on 29/8/11
Reading some of your comments is some what disheartening and proves Hills point. We have spend minus money so his job is to keep barnsley in the championship. If fitzcroft manage this they are saints. Hill is a very bright guy and is risking his very good record with a club that's trying to make more money than it spends. If they manage next season we will be laughing because the clubs that are spending more than they make and gambling on promotion will be punished next season. Up the reds respect hillcroft, if you know better go and manage a team. Only bad result this season is the Boro one however, if what I hear is true about the crowd getting on the teams back I'm not surprised. Get a grip and back the team and the idea of being a very well organised out fit (which we are)
posted on 29/8/11
I don't think it's important what KH says, it's what he does that counts, but some people think they know better (God knows why) and don't like it when he tells it like it is.
I trust him more than any fan and will support him whilever he is boss, whoever he picks and whatever tactics he uses because he knows better than us, and that is a fact.
You whingers better accept that or whinge somewhere else, the choice is yours, but please don't bore us who support BFC come what may.
posted on 29/8/11
Cool your jets davedrew, no one is attacking anyone.
posted on 30/8/11
If we all blindly follow the manager then there is no point in a discussion board!
Managers come and go - and god knows we have had too many over the last few years - the bums on seats who pay their hard earned money remain.
Opinions are like Ar$3hole$. Everyone has one. Everyone is entitled to one.
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