comment by Oxlade-Chambers (Inventor) (U6157)
posted 20 minutes ago
Can't see how Sanchez @ 5'7" can play as the CF.
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Owen, Defoe and Messi have successfully led frontlines over the years don't see why height is an issue, plus if played Welbeck with Ox too there's a decent amount of height an physicality there.
The smaller forwards are effective when they are stretching the defence from side to side and running off the shoulder, Alexis can do this and height wouldn't be an issue apart from goal kicks which Welbz can come in field for anyway.
Just think if we had more mobility against Chelsea for instance we wouldn't play into their hands as we did. United away we used that front 3 and was one of our best counter-attacking performances since the Invincible days.
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inventor, I said before the Chelsea game that terry would eat giroud alive and proved true, some defenders prefer to play against CF like giroud and that's down to the manager to make a choice of personnel to play. He didn't have confidence in Welbeck to lead the line. Lets face it if Welbeck could finish he'd have played and caused Chelsea more problems, but we can't trust him to score.
If we want to bridge the gap between Chelsea. we have to defend better and we need a striker who can finish the chances that good teams rarely give way. Even thinking about the CL we haven't a chance in hell of getting far without these qualities.
The issues I have with sanchez in and giroud out is. for example playing with a front three of ozil + sanchez + ox/theo is just too short. Imagine then a midfield of carzola, coq, and ramsey. You cannot play such a short team in this league. Set pieces would be nightmare.
City combine Aguero, with Yaya, Fernando/Ferindinhio, Lampard. Kolorov as a fullback. They are a physical team who can afford to play with a 5'9" striker.
Liverpool had a short team and frankly they're set piece defending was shocking.
comment by Castor Troy (U8700)
posted 19 seconds ago
I agree we need a better striker but it's unfair to say he doesn't do it when it counts. He works within his limitations and does a very good job.
As for not doing it when it counts, I could name a number of players in our teams who cost a lot more than Giroud who don't turn up for the big games
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He doesn't do it when it counts.
Ozil is a playmaker who creates goals, his work can only be effective if the right goalscorer is in front of him, given his PROVEN quality we should be fitting the team around his strengths meaning Giroud gets axed.
Ozil has linked up well with Welbeck, even when he came on vs Chelsea he put him in, unfortunately Welbeck is average atm but one with similar qualities on much larger scale will take us very far.
Always said we'd be better off if Welbeck & Giroud were combined into one player but both individually aren't good enough and this has been proven for 3 years now
Welbeck is average at best. If we sell walcott and keep Welbeck I will be p1ssed.
On Ozil, I don't think you can blame Giroud for his performances. A £42M player should be able to to Make some sort of impact on games without relying on an aguero/suarez type of striker.
comment by The~Distinguished~Englishman (U4080)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Oxlade-Chambers (Inventor) (U6157)
posted 20 minutes ago
Can't see how Sanchez @ 5'7" can play as the CF.
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Owen, Defoe and Messi have successfully led frontlines over the years don't see why height is an issue, plus if played Welbeck with Ox too there's a decent amount of height an physicality there.
The smaller forwards are effective when they are stretching the defence from side to side and running off the shoulder, Alexis can do this and height wouldn't be an issue apart from goal kicks which Welbz can come in field for anyway.
Just think if we had more mobility against Chelsea for instance we wouldn't play into their hands as we did. United away we used that front 3 and was one of our best counter-attacking performances since the Invincible days.
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inventor, I said before the Chelsea game that terry would eat giroud alive and proved true, some defenders prefer to play against CF like giroud and that's down to the manager to make a choice of personnel to play. He didn't have confidence in Welbeck to lead the line. Lets face it if Welbeck could finish he'd have played and caused Chelsea more problems, but we can't trust him to score.
If we want to bridge the gap between Chelsea. we have to defend better and we need a striker who can finish the chances that good teams rarely give way. Even thinking about the CL we haven't a chance in hell of getting far without these qualities.
The issues I have with sanchez in and giroud out is. for example playing with a front three of ozil + sanchez + ox/theo is just too short. Imagine then a midfield of carzola, coq, and ramsey. You cannot play such a short team in this league. Set pieces would be nightmare.
City combine Aguero, with Yaya, Fernando/Ferindinhio, Lampard. Kolorov as a fullback. They are a physical team who can afford to play with a 5'9" striker.
Liverpool had a short team and frankly they're set piece defending was shocking.
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You make a good point, I remember someone making an article about Giroud shouldn't start against Chelsea and I was in full agreement, we were proven right in the end.
I agree with your other points but I think if we do get this supposed DM we need and Welbeck plays wide which he's more equipped to do than Ramsey, Ozil are then our height is maintained with only Giroud missing.
We need to be the attacking force we used to be we've severely declined in this department since Giroud's been our main man.
RVP, Henry, Wright and even Adebayor (Giroud won't match his best season) were quality and above OG
inventor, I said before the Chelsea game that terry would eat giroud alive and proved true, some defenders prefer to play against CF like giroud and that's down to the manager to make a choice of personnel to play. He didn't have confidence in Welbeck to lead the line. Lets face it if Welbeck could finish he'd have played and caused Chelsea more problems, but we can't trust him to score.
What a load of nonsense is this. Giroud had absolute no support in this game. Had to fight with 3 defenders and we hardly couldnt get into their box. Are you sure you did the right game?
Giroud got very little support in the chelsea game.
Sanchez was too busy playing as central midfielder and Ramsey was doing exactly the same on the other flank
We had absolute no width in that Chelsea game and hardly created anything. Wenger also mention that.
If you cant analyse a game properly you shouldnt at least write rubbish comments.
comment by Castor Troy (U8700)
posted 1 minute ago
Welbeck is average at best. If we sell walcott and keep Welbeck I will be p1ssed.
On Ozil, I don't think you can blame Giroud for his performances. A £42M player should be able to to Make some sort of impact on games without relying on an aguero/suarez type of striker.
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Not if his job is as a playmaker. An assist king needs a CF to... er you know.... makes makes his assists become such a stat.
Take Costa away from Cesc and you hardly get anything from him this season, take Aguero away from Silva and you get very little again. Go and check Iniesta & Xavi's goal stats and see that without Messi they're not on the level they've been rated at for so long.
All are wonderful players but making the pass is only half of the job. So yes his impact being minimilised by our lack of quality up front should certainly be considered. Only a fool will think otherwise, we didn't buy a goalscorer we brought a creator but how can he operate with such stiff movement and most times poor finishing?
Welbeck might be average but he brings good balance to the squad and if he played with Ox & Alexis who are b
...both magical players then the dependence on him lessens therefore I wouldn't mind his inclusion in the need to bring balance to the side regarding height, physicality and workrate
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 6 minutes ago
inventor, I said before the Chelsea game that terry would eat giroud alive and proved true, some defenders prefer to play against CF like giroud and that's down to the manager to make a choice of personnel to play. He didn't have confidence in Welbeck to lead the line. Lets face it if Welbeck could finish he'd have played and caused Chelsea more problems, but we can't trust him to score.
What a load of nonsense is this. Giroud had absolute no support in this game. Had to fight with 3 defenders and we hardly couldnt get into their box. Are you sure you did the right game?
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Exactly, 'support' being the key word.
Carragher was spot on when he said without support Giroud is useless, and we need a 'Suarez or Aguero' where he'll do something special and give Terry and Cahill something to think about.
Some games you have to accept that less risks need to be taken therefore you need a top CF to bail you out at any given occasion, Giroud can never do this for us
Regarding comments about whether Alexis can fill the void or not, I agree with most. He's shown that he doesn't fit that role but if we're not going to buy in this department then from within Alexis has the most potential to answer our woes.
Maybe Welbeck if he DRASTICALLY improved in the box but that's too big an ask imo.
It's not 'pace' that's so important it's 'movement' people confuse the 2 a lot. Suarez, RVP & Rooney aren't the fastest by any means but sometimes you can hardly tell.
Giroud's lack of mobility is incredibly obvious in the biggest games I think we need a different approach. Arsenal are a club defined on quality and mobility up front in the Wenger era and we need a swift return to our identity
Giroud's lack of mobility is incredibly obvious in the biggest games I think we need a different approach.
You dont get that and probably never will. . Should I laugh or cry? Leave it or I tend to abuse you again.
What have I said in that sentence that was wrong then GT? Also when debating try and dig your head out of Giroud's arsenal so you can clearly state your points rather than dropping doh smileys on any poster that doesn't consider Giroud world class.
Too much to ask? If not go ahead
Basically, Giroud is slow on fifa, and Welbeck isn't. Therefore, we need a fast, pacy beast striker, and we'll win titles.
comment by Oxlade-Chambers (Inventor) (U6157)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 6 minutes ago
inventor, I said before the Chelsea game that terry would eat giroud alive and proved true, some defenders prefer to play against CF like giroud and that's down to the manager to make a choice of personnel to play. He didn't have confidence in Welbeck to lead the line. Lets face it if Welbeck could finish he'd have played and caused Chelsea more problems, but we can't trust him to score.
What a load of nonsense is this. Giroud had absolute no support in this game. Had to fight with 3 defenders and we hardly couldnt get into their box. Are you sure you did the right game?
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Exactly, 'support' being the key word.
Carragher was spot on when he said without support Giroud is useless, and we need a 'Suarez or Aguero' where he'll do something special and give Terry and Cahill something to think about.
Some games you have to accept that less risks need to be taken therefore you need a top CF to bail you out at any given occasion, Giroud can never do this for us
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I can't remember a game this season where Costa has done this for Chelsea. Hazard certainly, as Alexis has for us, but not Costa.
Henry was wrong when he said you need a world class striker to win Championships, in my opinion. Look at Bayern, with both Gomez and then Mandzukic - both decent strikers, but not exceptional by any means, yet they led the line in title winning sides.
Giroud is certainly capable of those potentially game changing moments, like his goal against United this season, or his wonderful control and finish vs West Ham last season, when we really need it.
He's not up there along the best strikers in the world, but most of his critics would have completely dismissed his chances of becoming the player he is today a season or two ago, his consistent improvement year on year at every level he has played at is certainly to be admired and shows a work ethic for which he should be given credit.
comment by Oxlade-Chambers (Inventor) (U6157)
posted 21 minutes ago
What have I said in that sentence that was wrong then GT? Also when debating try and dig your head out of Giroud's arsenal so you can clearly state your points rather than dropping doh smileys on any poster that doesn't consider Giroud world class.
Too much to ask? If not go ahead
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I didnt consider him world class myself. You hate him with a passion because he has no pace basicially its ridiculous. Pace alone wins you nothing.
comment by Penguin (U13630)
posted 6 minutes ago
Basically, Giroud is slow on fifa, and Welbeck isn't. Therefore, we need a fast, pacy beast striker, and we'll win titles.
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That will do it
GT
I posted this line earlier if you read, in consideration that you will just put it down to pace
It's not 'pace' that's so important it's 'movement' people confuse the 2 a lot. Suarez, RVP & Rooney aren't the fastest by any means but sometimes you can hardly tell.
Nothing to with pace, it's movement and mobility to trouble defenders. Giroud has none of it and is found out against Terry and deep sitting defences like Monaco
Most players struggle against such defences ^^
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by Oxlade-Chambers (Inventor) (U6157)
posted 21 minutes ago
What have I said in that sentence that was wrong then GT? Also when debating try and dig your head out of Giroud's arsenal so you can clearly state your points rather than dropping doh smileys on any poster that doesn't consider Giroud world class.
Too much to ask? If not go ahead
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I didnt consider him world class myself. You hate him with a passion because he has no pace basicially its ridiculous. Pace alone wins you nothing.
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FFS nobody is saying pace alone. All you do is categorise arguments against Giroud down to only being pace he lacks.
FFS I haven't said Welbeck should be our main CF which would be the case if we were using just pace.
How about, movement, clinical finishing, ruthless mentality (doesn't need 5 chances to score), individual brilliance.
I think we'll need to buy to match this criteria but if not Alexis is potentially the closest from within, simple.
comment by TheSkins (U3865)
posted 1 minute ago
Most players struggle against such defences ^^
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Well we need to do more than just accept that and improve on it unless of course you don't want to fight for the league?
Aguero scored against Chelsea this season, RVP did it late against them as well this season. It's not impossible just need the quality and ruthlessness on these occasions as well as skill which Giroud lacks on the upper level
I think up front is not the area that needs addressing. An upgrade on Giroud is hard to find, but if we could find one that would be great. However, it comes second in priority to a number of other things. Namely, a DM (because Coquelin can't play every single game), a CB (Can Mert play there for much longer? Is Kosc-Gab a partnership? Injury doubts with them??) and a goalkeeper. The difference between us and a title winning side lies in those positions before any other to be honest.
I think Bellerin is good enough to be our right back for many years to come, we've got good competition on the left hand side, so the defence is good. In attacking midfield we have a plethora of talent. Up front, I'd actually want us to sign a left winger before a new striker to be honest.
comment by Penguin (U13630)
posted 4 minutes ago
I think up front is not the area that needs addressing. An upgrade on Giroud is hard to find, but if we could find one that would be great. However, it comes second in priority to a number of other things. Namely, a DM (because Coquelin can't play every single game), a CB (Can Mert play there for much longer? Is Kosc-Gab a partnership? Injury doubts with them??) and a goalkeeper. The difference between us and a title winning side lies in those positions before any other to be honest.
I think Bellerin is good enough to be our right back for many years to come, we've got good competition on the left hand side, so the defence is good. In attacking midfield we have a plethora of talent. Up front, I'd actually want us to sign a left winger before a new striker to be honest.
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I agree this is why I made the article. In consideration to the fact that if we don't add up front. We will need to look at our best solutions there.
Alexis is our only world class attacker but I'm not sure of this level consistently as a wide man. Aguero is someone who reminds me very much of Alexis in some respects and there were doubts about whether he could solely lead the line for City having always played in a partnership but he's coped very well when tasked with this responsibility.
Alexis has a lot to work on but if he could utilise his attributes accordingly we could have the forward we've been looking for.
Giroud, Welbz & Alexis in rotation wouldn't be so bad especially as at times all 3 can start together.
The key is Alexis adapting to this role for me.
Welbeck is wack out wide also. Doesn't give us no width.
Either have Ox or walcott on one side and sanchez on the other.
Arsene has said he prefers when Alexis makes runs rather than coming to the ball.
Yday he showed great potential in what he can do as a CF with his 2nd goal. May be the answer
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posted on 3/5/15
comment by Oxlade-Chambers (Inventor) (U6157)
posted 20 minutes ago
Can't see how Sanchez @ 5'7" can play as the CF.
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Owen, Defoe and Messi have successfully led frontlines over the years don't see why height is an issue, plus if played Welbeck with Ox too there's a decent amount of height an physicality there.
The smaller forwards are effective when they are stretching the defence from side to side and running off the shoulder, Alexis can do this and height wouldn't be an issue apart from goal kicks which Welbz can come in field for anyway.
Just think if we had more mobility against Chelsea for instance we wouldn't play into their hands as we did. United away we used that front 3 and was one of our best counter-attacking performances since the Invincible days.
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inventor, I said before the Chelsea game that terry would eat giroud alive and proved true, some defenders prefer to play against CF like giroud and that's down to the manager to make a choice of personnel to play. He didn't have confidence in Welbeck to lead the line. Lets face it if Welbeck could finish he'd have played and caused Chelsea more problems, but we can't trust him to score.
If we want to bridge the gap between Chelsea. we have to defend better and we need a striker who can finish the chances that good teams rarely give way. Even thinking about the CL we haven't a chance in hell of getting far without these qualities.
The issues I have with sanchez in and giroud out is. for example playing with a front three of ozil + sanchez + ox/theo is just too short. Imagine then a midfield of carzola, coq, and ramsey. You cannot play such a short team in this league. Set pieces would be nightmare.
City combine Aguero, with Yaya, Fernando/Ferindinhio, Lampard. Kolorov as a fullback. They are a physical team who can afford to play with a 5'9" striker.
Liverpool had a short team and frankly they're set piece defending was shocking.
posted on 3/5/15
comment by Castor Troy (U8700)
posted 19 seconds ago
I agree we need a better striker but it's unfair to say he doesn't do it when it counts. He works within his limitations and does a very good job.
As for not doing it when it counts, I could name a number of players in our teams who cost a lot more than Giroud who don't turn up for the big games
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He doesn't do it when it counts.
Ozil is a playmaker who creates goals, his work can only be effective if the right goalscorer is in front of him, given his PROVEN quality we should be fitting the team around his strengths meaning Giroud gets axed.
Ozil has linked up well with Welbeck, even when he came on vs Chelsea he put him in, unfortunately Welbeck is average atm but one with similar qualities on much larger scale will take us very far.
Always said we'd be better off if Welbeck & Giroud were combined into one player but both individually aren't good enough and this has been proven for 3 years now
posted on 3/5/15
Welbeck is average at best. If we sell walcott and keep Welbeck I will be p1ssed.
On Ozil, I don't think you can blame Giroud for his performances. A £42M player should be able to to Make some sort of impact on games without relying on an aguero/suarez type of striker.
posted on 3/5/15
comment by The~Distinguished~Englishman (U4080)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Oxlade-Chambers (Inventor) (U6157)
posted 20 minutes ago
Can't see how Sanchez @ 5'7" can play as the CF.
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Owen, Defoe and Messi have successfully led frontlines over the years don't see why height is an issue, plus if played Welbeck with Ox too there's a decent amount of height an physicality there.
The smaller forwards are effective when they are stretching the defence from side to side and running off the shoulder, Alexis can do this and height wouldn't be an issue apart from goal kicks which Welbz can come in field for anyway.
Just think if we had more mobility against Chelsea for instance we wouldn't play into their hands as we did. United away we used that front 3 and was one of our best counter-attacking performances since the Invincible days.
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inventor, I said before the Chelsea game that terry would eat giroud alive and proved true, some defenders prefer to play against CF like giroud and that's down to the manager to make a choice of personnel to play. He didn't have confidence in Welbeck to lead the line. Lets face it if Welbeck could finish he'd have played and caused Chelsea more problems, but we can't trust him to score.
If we want to bridge the gap between Chelsea. we have to defend better and we need a striker who can finish the chances that good teams rarely give way. Even thinking about the CL we haven't a chance in hell of getting far without these qualities.
The issues I have with sanchez in and giroud out is. for example playing with a front three of ozil + sanchez + ox/theo is just too short. Imagine then a midfield of carzola, coq, and ramsey. You cannot play such a short team in this league. Set pieces would be nightmare.
City combine Aguero, with Yaya, Fernando/Ferindinhio, Lampard. Kolorov as a fullback. They are a physical team who can afford to play with a 5'9" striker.
Liverpool had a short team and frankly they're set piece defending was shocking.
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You make a good point, I remember someone making an article about Giroud shouldn't start against Chelsea and I was in full agreement, we were proven right in the end.
I agree with your other points but I think if we do get this supposed DM we need and Welbeck plays wide which he's more equipped to do than Ramsey, Ozil are then our height is maintained with only Giroud missing.
We need to be the attacking force we used to be we've severely declined in this department since Giroud's been our main man.
RVP, Henry, Wright and even Adebayor (Giroud won't match his best season) were quality and above OG
posted on 3/5/15
inventor, I said before the Chelsea game that terry would eat giroud alive and proved true, some defenders prefer to play against CF like giroud and that's down to the manager to make a choice of personnel to play. He didn't have confidence in Welbeck to lead the line. Lets face it if Welbeck could finish he'd have played and caused Chelsea more problems, but we can't trust him to score.
What a load of nonsense is this. Giroud had absolute no support in this game. Had to fight with 3 defenders and we hardly couldnt get into their box. Are you sure you did the right game?
posted on 3/5/15
Giroud got very little support in the chelsea game.
Sanchez was too busy playing as central midfielder and Ramsey was doing exactly the same on the other flank
posted on 3/5/15
We had absolute no width in that Chelsea game and hardly created anything. Wenger also mention that.
If you cant analyse a game properly you shouldnt at least write rubbish comments.
posted on 3/5/15
comment by Castor Troy (U8700)
posted 1 minute ago
Welbeck is average at best. If we sell walcott and keep Welbeck I will be p1ssed.
On Ozil, I don't think you can blame Giroud for his performances. A £42M player should be able to to Make some sort of impact on games without relying on an aguero/suarez type of striker.
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Not if his job is as a playmaker. An assist king needs a CF to... er you know.... makes makes his assists become such a stat.
Take Costa away from Cesc and you hardly get anything from him this season, take Aguero away from Silva and you get very little again. Go and check Iniesta & Xavi's goal stats and see that without Messi they're not on the level they've been rated at for so long.
All are wonderful players but making the pass is only half of the job. So yes his impact being minimilised by our lack of quality up front should certainly be considered. Only a fool will think otherwise, we didn't buy a goalscorer we brought a creator but how can he operate with such stiff movement and most times poor finishing?
Welbeck might be average but he brings good balance to the squad and if he played with Ox & Alexis who are b
posted on 3/5/15
...both magical players then the dependence on him lessens therefore I wouldn't mind his inclusion in the need to bring balance to the side regarding height, physicality and workrate
posted on 3/5/15
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 6 minutes ago
inventor, I said before the Chelsea game that terry would eat giroud alive and proved true, some defenders prefer to play against CF like giroud and that's down to the manager to make a choice of personnel to play. He didn't have confidence in Welbeck to lead the line. Lets face it if Welbeck could finish he'd have played and caused Chelsea more problems, but we can't trust him to score.
What a load of nonsense is this. Giroud had absolute no support in this game. Had to fight with 3 defenders and we hardly couldnt get into their box. Are you sure you did the right game?
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Exactly, 'support' being the key word.
Carragher was spot on when he said without support Giroud is useless, and we need a 'Suarez or Aguero' where he'll do something special and give Terry and Cahill something to think about.
Some games you have to accept that less risks need to be taken therefore you need a top CF to bail you out at any given occasion, Giroud can never do this for us
posted on 3/5/15
Regarding comments about whether Alexis can fill the void or not, I agree with most. He's shown that he doesn't fit that role but if we're not going to buy in this department then from within Alexis has the most potential to answer our woes.
Maybe Welbeck if he DRASTICALLY improved in the box but that's too big an ask imo.
It's not 'pace' that's so important it's 'movement' people confuse the 2 a lot. Suarez, RVP & Rooney aren't the fastest by any means but sometimes you can hardly tell.
Giroud's lack of mobility is incredibly obvious in the biggest games I think we need a different approach. Arsenal are a club defined on quality and mobility up front in the Wenger era and we need a swift return to our identity
posted on 3/5/15
Giroud's lack of mobility is incredibly obvious in the biggest games I think we need a different approach.
You dont get that and probably never will. . Should I laugh or cry? Leave it or I tend to abuse you again.
posted on 3/5/15
What have I said in that sentence that was wrong then GT? Also when debating try and dig your head out of Giroud's arsenal so you can clearly state your points rather than dropping doh smileys on any poster that doesn't consider Giroud world class.
Too much to ask? If not go ahead
posted on 3/5/15
Basically, Giroud is slow on fifa, and Welbeck isn't. Therefore, we need a fast, pacy beast striker, and we'll win titles.
posted on 3/5/15
comment by Oxlade-Chambers (Inventor) (U6157)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 6 minutes ago
inventor, I said before the Chelsea game that terry would eat giroud alive and proved true, some defenders prefer to play against CF like giroud and that's down to the manager to make a choice of personnel to play. He didn't have confidence in Welbeck to lead the line. Lets face it if Welbeck could finish he'd have played and caused Chelsea more problems, but we can't trust him to score.
What a load of nonsense is this. Giroud had absolute no support in this game. Had to fight with 3 defenders and we hardly couldnt get into their box. Are you sure you did the right game?
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Exactly, 'support' being the key word.
Carragher was spot on when he said without support Giroud is useless, and we need a 'Suarez or Aguero' where he'll do something special and give Terry and Cahill something to think about.
Some games you have to accept that less risks need to be taken therefore you need a top CF to bail you out at any given occasion, Giroud can never do this for us
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I can't remember a game this season where Costa has done this for Chelsea. Hazard certainly, as Alexis has for us, but not Costa.
Henry was wrong when he said you need a world class striker to win Championships, in my opinion. Look at Bayern, with both Gomez and then Mandzukic - both decent strikers, but not exceptional by any means, yet they led the line in title winning sides.
Giroud is certainly capable of those potentially game changing moments, like his goal against United this season, or his wonderful control and finish vs West Ham last season, when we really need it.
He's not up there along the best strikers in the world, but most of his critics would have completely dismissed his chances of becoming the player he is today a season or two ago, his consistent improvement year on year at every level he has played at is certainly to be admired and shows a work ethic for which he should be given credit.
posted on 3/5/15
comment by Oxlade-Chambers (Inventor) (U6157)
posted 21 minutes ago
What have I said in that sentence that was wrong then GT? Also when debating try and dig your head out of Giroud's arsenal so you can clearly state your points rather than dropping doh smileys on any poster that doesn't consider Giroud world class.
Too much to ask? If not go ahead
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I didnt consider him world class myself. You hate him with a passion because he has no pace basicially its ridiculous. Pace alone wins you nothing.
posted on 3/5/15
comment by Penguin (U13630)
posted 6 minutes ago
Basically, Giroud is slow on fifa, and Welbeck isn't. Therefore, we need a fast, pacy beast striker, and we'll win titles.
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That will do it
posted on 3/5/15
GT
I posted this line earlier if you read, in consideration that you will just put it down to pace
It's not 'pace' that's so important it's 'movement' people confuse the 2 a lot. Suarez, RVP & Rooney aren't the fastest by any means but sometimes you can hardly tell.
Nothing to with pace, it's movement and mobility to trouble defenders. Giroud has none of it and is found out against Terry and deep sitting defences like Monaco
posted on 3/5/15
Most players struggle against such defences ^^
posted on 3/5/15
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by Oxlade-Chambers (Inventor) (U6157)
posted 21 minutes ago
What have I said in that sentence that was wrong then GT? Also when debating try and dig your head out of Giroud's arsenal so you can clearly state your points rather than dropping doh smileys on any poster that doesn't consider Giroud world class.
Too much to ask? If not go ahead
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I didnt consider him world class myself. You hate him with a passion because he has no pace basicially its ridiculous. Pace alone wins you nothing.
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FFS nobody is saying pace alone. All you do is categorise arguments against Giroud down to only being pace he lacks.
FFS I haven't said Welbeck should be our main CF which would be the case if we were using just pace.
How about, movement, clinical finishing, ruthless mentality (doesn't need 5 chances to score), individual brilliance.
I think we'll need to buy to match this criteria but if not Alexis is potentially the closest from within, simple.
posted on 3/5/15
comment by TheSkins (U3865)
posted 1 minute ago
Most players struggle against such defences ^^
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Well we need to do more than just accept that and improve on it unless of course you don't want to fight for the league?
Aguero scored against Chelsea this season, RVP did it late against them as well this season. It's not impossible just need the quality and ruthlessness on these occasions as well as skill which Giroud lacks on the upper level
posted on 3/5/15
I think up front is not the area that needs addressing. An upgrade on Giroud is hard to find, but if we could find one that would be great. However, it comes second in priority to a number of other things. Namely, a DM (because Coquelin can't play every single game), a CB (Can Mert play there for much longer? Is Kosc-Gab a partnership? Injury doubts with them??) and a goalkeeper. The difference between us and a title winning side lies in those positions before any other to be honest.
I think Bellerin is good enough to be our right back for many years to come, we've got good competition on the left hand side, so the defence is good. In attacking midfield we have a plethora of talent. Up front, I'd actually want us to sign a left winger before a new striker to be honest.
posted on 3/5/15
comment by Penguin (U13630)
posted 4 minutes ago
I think up front is not the area that needs addressing. An upgrade on Giroud is hard to find, but if we could find one that would be great. However, it comes second in priority to a number of other things. Namely, a DM (because Coquelin can't play every single game), a CB (Can Mert play there for much longer? Is Kosc-Gab a partnership? Injury doubts with them??) and a goalkeeper. The difference between us and a title winning side lies in those positions before any other to be honest.
I think Bellerin is good enough to be our right back for many years to come, we've got good competition on the left hand side, so the defence is good. In attacking midfield we have a plethora of talent. Up front, I'd actually want us to sign a left winger before a new striker to be honest.
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I agree this is why I made the article. In consideration to the fact that if we don't add up front. We will need to look at our best solutions there.
Alexis is our only world class attacker but I'm not sure of this level consistently as a wide man. Aguero is someone who reminds me very much of Alexis in some respects and there were doubts about whether he could solely lead the line for City having always played in a partnership but he's coped very well when tasked with this responsibility.
Alexis has a lot to work on but if he could utilise his attributes accordingly we could have the forward we've been looking for.
Giroud, Welbz & Alexis in rotation wouldn't be so bad especially as at times all 3 can start together.
The key is Alexis adapting to this role for me.
posted on 3/5/15
Welbeck is wack out wide also. Doesn't give us no width.
Either have Ox or walcott on one side and sanchez on the other.
posted on 5/5/15
Arsene has said he prefers when Alexis makes runs rather than coming to the ball.
Yday he showed great potential in what he can do as a CF with his 2nd goal. May be the answer
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