It takes time I suppose. At least I've reassured the Spurs fans that it will take sometime before we can even get towards the Top 4 again.
"Soldado is probably less of a waste than what Welbeck was if I'm honest."
If you genuinely think this, you are deluded or you are letting your club's bias cloud your judgment.
"Meaningful progress doesn't happen in one season, it happens over various seasons."
Exactly. And you can't honestly say to me you've seen any meaningful progress over the past 5/6 years. Especially with the money you have wasted - yes, wasted.
"So what, your telling me that it costs money for you to win a trophy?"
If you generally look throughout the course of history, you will find the most successful sides are the ones who have the greater resources and financial clout over the other sides. There are some exceptions to the rule who may have a one-off season or who go through a short period of success, but generally, money does end up resulting in success. It's not rocket science to work out.
"You had the team that couldn't be beat it one season and you had the same group of players for a few years afterwards, your telling me in that 3/4 maybe even 5 year period from then you weren't capable of winning just 1 trophy?"
I agree. It was poor. We should have done better. That doesn't mean I change what I said, though.
"The resources were different for everyone 10 years ago. You still had the same group of players that could not be beaten, so why couldn't you have won at least 1 trophy with that group of players?"
Yes but our only real competition at that stage was United. The PL was a duopoly from 1996-2004. Why couldn't we have won more with the same players? Although I agree with the sentiment of what you're saying, these players were ageing and that obviously plays a part. I have my own idea of what we should have done throughout that period, but that is a secondary issue with regards to your argument.
"So if you take the title out of the equation, what about a trophy?"
I've already agreed with this, so I don't see why you feel the need to repeat this continuously.
"So, if you can't judge him on being a mr nobody at this point, how can you say he looks a tidy player? You can't judge him is what you are saying so you are just contradicting yourself."
I didn't say you can't judge him. I said it's early days but from the little we have seen of him from his 9 appearances, he looks like he is a tidy player. Nothing contradictory about that and you're just being pedantic now.
"I never did, I think you'll find that I've been saying since the start that we have been to ONE final. In case you didn't get that, that's ONE FINAL."
Let's look at what you originally said;
"We are improving under Pochettino, reaching League Cup finals, we are soon going to get there."
You said you've been reaching League Cup finals - plural not singular.
"In the last 10 years, you have won as many trophies as us."
Why not the last 20 years? Or 30 years? Or throughout our entire history? Oh that's right, because it doesn't favour your club.
I'm not writing out another 10 minute essay just to continuously argue with you.
In the last 10 years, you have won as many trophies as us."
Why not the last 20 years? Or 30 years? Or throughout our entire history? Oh that's right, because it doesn't favour your club.
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Spurs ain't won two trophies in the last ten years...
9 years, whatever the number is.
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DJ defending the pathetic goooners
Anyway, it was interesting whilst it lasted. Nothing wrong with having a debate at least. Guess "we'll" find out one day.
And by 5pm Saturday we may have won as many trophies over two years as Chelsea and City and two more than United, Liverpool, Spurs and the rest. (Assuming you don't count the Community Shield).
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 22 seconds ago
And by 5pm Saturday we may have won as many trophies over two years as Chelsea and City and two more than United, Liverpool, Spurs and the rest. (Assuming you don't count the Community Shield).
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club arsenal's size should be winning titles and competing in CL
instead you are also rans in the prem and jokes in Europe
comment by internal solutions (U19964)
posted 15 seconds ago
Fack me it's LRF
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And who might you be? Good sir?
Surely if you are going on club 'size', United should win everything.
Or money spent, City and Chelsea along with United.
DJ, He's not saying they shouldn't win everything though, they should as well. However, the only thing that can be said is that they can't all win it every year. But them clubs should win at least 1 trophy every 2 years, roughly. Doesn't always work like that, but that's what they should be aiming for, 3 years at the absolute worst.
And we are winning a trophy every 2 years, at least. Quite possibly one every year since the financial boost of new sponsorship deals that puts us in a competitive position.
Anyone who wants to dismiss the financial restraints we had, or believes we are still in a position where we have to sell a player for £20m plus every season, or denies the fact we can now go out and buy big name players, is an ostrich, as the great Nigel Pearson would say.
It was not a level playing field between us and United, Chelsea, and latterly City, for a good few years due to a decision we took to take short term restrictions for long term gains. We are bridging that gap, but it is not an overnight thing the way we are doing it.
Of course people will point to the disastrous game v Monaco, but United, Chelsea and City have all had similar in the past ten years, these things happen. You cannot judge a clubs progression on one game, and anyone who thinks we are the same level as three or four years back is not watching.
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posted on 26/5/15
It takes time I suppose. At least I've reassured the Spurs fans that it will take sometime before we can even get towards the Top 4 again.
posted on 26/5/15
"Soldado is probably less of a waste than what Welbeck was if I'm honest."
If you genuinely think this, you are deluded or you are letting your club's bias cloud your judgment.
"Meaningful progress doesn't happen in one season, it happens over various seasons."
Exactly. And you can't honestly say to me you've seen any meaningful progress over the past 5/6 years. Especially with the money you have wasted - yes, wasted.
"So what, your telling me that it costs money for you to win a trophy?"
If you generally look throughout the course of history, you will find the most successful sides are the ones who have the greater resources and financial clout over the other sides. There are some exceptions to the rule who may have a one-off season or who go through a short period of success, but generally, money does end up resulting in success. It's not rocket science to work out.
"You had the team that couldn't be beat it one season and you had the same group of players for a few years afterwards, your telling me in that 3/4 maybe even 5 year period from then you weren't capable of winning just 1 trophy?"
I agree. It was poor. We should have done better. That doesn't mean I change what I said, though.
"The resources were different for everyone 10 years ago. You still had the same group of players that could not be beaten, so why couldn't you have won at least 1 trophy with that group of players?"
Yes but our only real competition at that stage was United. The PL was a duopoly from 1996-2004. Why couldn't we have won more with the same players? Although I agree with the sentiment of what you're saying, these players were ageing and that obviously plays a part. I have my own idea of what we should have done throughout that period, but that is a secondary issue with regards to your argument.
"So if you take the title out of the equation, what about a trophy?"
I've already agreed with this, so I don't see why you feel the need to repeat this continuously.
"So, if you can't judge him on being a mr nobody at this point, how can you say he looks a tidy player? You can't judge him is what you are saying so you are just contradicting yourself."
I didn't say you can't judge him. I said it's early days but from the little we have seen of him from his 9 appearances, he looks like he is a tidy player. Nothing contradictory about that and you're just being pedantic now.
"I never did, I think you'll find that I've been saying since the start that we have been to ONE final. In case you didn't get that, that's ONE FINAL."
Let's look at what you originally said;
"We are improving under Pochettino, reaching League Cup finals, we are soon going to get there."
You said you've been reaching League Cup finals - plural not singular.
"In the last 10 years, you have won as many trophies as us."
Why not the last 20 years? Or 30 years? Or throughout our entire history? Oh that's right, because it doesn't favour your club.
posted on 27/5/15
I'm not writing out another 10 minute essay just to continuously argue with you.
posted on 27/5/15
In the last 10 years, you have won as many trophies as us."
Why not the last 20 years? Or 30 years? Or throughout our entire history? Oh that's right, because it doesn't favour your club.
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Spurs ain't won two trophies in the last ten years...
posted on 27/5/15
9 years, whatever the number is.
posted on 27/5/15
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posted on 27/5/15
Shush Teebo.
posted on 27/5/15
DJ defending the pathetic goooners
posted on 27/5/15
Anyway, it was interesting whilst it lasted. Nothing wrong with having a debate at least. Guess "we'll" find out one day.
posted on 27/5/15
And by 5pm Saturday we may have won as many trophies over two years as Chelsea and City and two more than United, Liverpool, Spurs and the rest. (Assuming you don't count the Community Shield).
posted on 27/5/15
Fack me it's LRF
posted on 27/5/15
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 22 seconds ago
And by 5pm Saturday we may have won as many trophies over two years as Chelsea and City and two more than United, Liverpool, Spurs and the rest. (Assuming you don't count the Community Shield).
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club arsenal's size should be winning titles and competing in CL
instead you are also rans in the prem and jokes in Europe
posted on 27/5/15
comment by internal solutions (U19964)
posted 15 seconds ago
Fack me it's LRF
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And who might you be? Good sir?
posted on 27/5/15
Surely if you are going on club 'size', United should win everything.
Or money spent, City and Chelsea along with United.
posted on 27/5/15
DJ, He's not saying they shouldn't win everything though, they should as well. However, the only thing that can be said is that they can't all win it every year. But them clubs should win at least 1 trophy every 2 years, roughly. Doesn't always work like that, but that's what they should be aiming for, 3 years at the absolute worst.
posted on 27/5/15
And we are winning a trophy every 2 years, at least. Quite possibly one every year since the financial boost of new sponsorship deals that puts us in a competitive position.
Anyone who wants to dismiss the financial restraints we had, or believes we are still in a position where we have to sell a player for £20m plus every season, or denies the fact we can now go out and buy big name players, is an ostrich, as the great Nigel Pearson would say.
It was not a level playing field between us and United, Chelsea, and latterly City, for a good few years due to a decision we took to take short term restrictions for long term gains. We are bridging that gap, but it is not an overnight thing the way we are doing it.
Of course people will point to the disastrous game v Monaco, but United, Chelsea and City have all had similar in the past ten years, these things happen. You cannot judge a clubs progression on one game, and anyone who thinks we are the same level as three or four years back is not watching.
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