Klopp looks like the right man at the right time. 6-1 has killed it for me...scandulous.
I've chilled out a bit since the game and I reckon he should be given one more season (or half) but he needs to get rid of most of the shít he's bought
Tbf there is a hell.of a cse to.get rid of him:
1,, Europe....disaster absolute.
2,,Prem losses...far too many..far far too many
3,,Money on strikers.....everone a fkn waste bar studge
4,,Big game mentality.....havent got one.
We can't sack him without a replacement in waiting. If our manager recruitment is anything like our player recruitment we'll be seeing Allardyce coming in with Ings, Garbutt and Benteke in no time.
I have a feeling hes gone now. FSG didnt hang around with kenny i can see br falling way short this season of their expectations.
We need to wipe the slate clean,champions league and europa league failure,premier league gone backwards,minimum top four finish.Fa cup failure and a poor run at the end of season with this result being the icing on the cake.Clueless tactical and team picks.
We need to move forward,taking a risk on half a season,imo no way.We need to bring in a new manager of klopp/rafa experience not a 180 page dossier to sway the owners.
Man utd tried it didnt work so got a world class manager.
Klopp or Ancelotti only for me, otherwise we should keep BR. Ancelotti says he is going to take a sabbatical though so it's only Klopp really.
Klopp is the perfect fit.
FSG will probably go out and bring in Gary Monk.
Careful what you wish for, United sacked their manager and replaced him with Gollum, then sacked Gollum and replaced him with some has-been who hasn't done anything of note since the 90s, looks like a shrivelled t3sticle and he flopped too.
whoever we get, the expectation is 5th at best.
I was firmly behind Rodgers all season even up to today but now I'm just so disappointed with the final quarter of the season 8 points from 9 games and topped off with today's capitulation. An absolute disaster of a game and I'm now worried there is a malaise set in that will carry into next season.
Big problem is if we loose on the opening day of next season or even don't win a game we should on paper the knives are immediately out for Brendan and there will be a horrible feeling around the club and among the fans, he's only one or two poor results away from being under massive pressure for the next season should he keep his job.
I don't like managers being fired often and and would like to see Brendan turn it around but he's alrqdy lost a large number of the fan base and like I said a bad result early next season and its doin and gloom from the off, really don't want to face that again, I see it being very hard for BR to win back the fans who want him out.
I didn't think Id be saying this but if Klopp is attainable then I'd go for him, maybe he'd be attracted to the job, tying to get a former elite club back among the best.
Going to be a pain in the hole of a summer!
Klopp is a big worry for me
He has been a manager for a long time and recently 'wrecked' his side worse than Rodgers.
He's been a manager for a long time and his success all came at once in a few year period. Could it just be he stumbled on a class group of 6-7 players and rode it until it collapsed?
Either way, people have already put him as a messiah and that can only end badly.
Klopp is the perfect fit.
FSG will probably go out and bring in Gary Monk.
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You'd be lucky to get Monk he's proven to be a much better manager than Rogers. Don't think Klopp will go to Liverpool it would be a sideways step for him he will be looking higher I would think ie Man City probably.
As with not being able to attract the top players attracting the top managers is probably unlikely as well. Someone like Frank De Boer might be able to turn Liverpool's fortunes around.
comment by The Kaiser's Trainers (U5676)
posted 15 minutes ago
Careful what you wish for, United sacked their manager and replaced him with Gollum, then sacked Gollum and replaced him with some has-been who hasn't done anything of note since the 90s, looks like a shrivelled t3sticle and he flopped too.
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clueless twa t
top 4 target achieved
200 mil to achieve tip 4 and with no european football you hardly mustered a title challenge. He'll that 100 mil spent by br seems small change
But I said earlier what kneepad just stated. Br is now at a road that u less he starts if really well next season any consecutive defeats would be full blown crisis. For that reason and if klopp is available and he is interested than we should.go for it.
comment by The Kaiser's Trainers (U5676)
posted 12 minutes ago
Klopp is a big worry for me
He has been a manager for a long time and recently 'wrecked' his side worse than Rodgers.
He's been a manager for a long time and his success all came at once in a few year period. Could it just be he stumbled on a class group of 6-7 players and rode it until it collapsed?
Either way, people have already put him as a messiah and that can only end badly.
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Klopp lost his best players year in year out, replaced them and managed to keep them in the top 2. Only this year has it caught up with him. He lost Barrios, Sahin, Kagawa, Goetze, and Lewandowski before it finally caught up with him.
In his trainwreck of a season (and it has been poor by his standards), he's secured Europe for them and is in a cup final with a good chance of winning it.
He's not the messiah and does have his faults, but he's undoubtedly a better manager than Rodgers, and has proven it with trophies domestically and done better than Rodgers has in Europe as well.
And on a much smaller budget.
If he can't cope with losing his best players year in year out, then he's not the manager for us.
We've been doing that for 6 years now so he's already missed the boat.
He has coped for the most part. Only after losing his 5th key player has he struggled. And Rodgers has lost only one of our best players in his time here.
not good enough, you're just making excuses for him
if he was any good, he would have planned for it
anyone who had a side fall from the top end of the table to 6th shouldn't even be allowed to manage again.
He has coped with that as he has won 2 titles and done better in europe, only this year he had an average year which he has a chance in winning a cup.
#KloppFortheKop is trending
he hasn't coped though, he had them in the relegation spots in a league with only one good team in it.
finishing anything other than second in a one team league is pathetic
Rodgers in, he's done great. We have a clear and exciting style, our players look really up for each game, great big game mentality, they all look comfortable playing in their best positions week in week out. We're just really unlucky that we're the only team who have had injuries.
I just wanted to see how it felt to be a kill Rodgers / everything is excuses not reasons type.
Being a completely irrational t^at isn't that hard, but I can't say I enjoy it.
I wrote this on another article in response to a comment about Ancelotti and Klopp (and others) but it fits in to this discussion better.............
comment by righteous1 (U7048)
posted 1 hour, 53 minutes ago
Ancelotti didn't start at the top.
His first job was Reggiana, then Parma, then his first big job at Milan (who were struggling at the time).
Since then he has had top jobs, guess why? Because he has proven he is a top manager!
People always moan about Mourinho 'he can only do it with money', guess why he always has money? Because he proved he is a top manager so gets the top jobs!
If we can't attract a top manager then we are accepting we are not a top club anymore.
Rodgers isn't a top manager. He hasn't proved it.
This was his chance to elevate himself to the level of the Ancelottis and the Klopps and the Rafa's.
He has had 3 years to do so and hasn't managed it.
At best it's 'jury's out'.
If we sack him tomorrow he won't be walking to Benfica or PSG. He'd struggle to even get a Zenit or Ajax, or a West Ham in England.
We can either stick with a second rate manager who might, one day, God knows when, develop into a trophy winner.
Or we can go out and get the trophy winning top managers that are already out there.
We like to think of ourselves as a top club, what do you think the top clubs would do? Do you think the Porto's, Bayerns, etc would be happy with his 3 years?
And please, nobody mention Utd and SAF. SAF had achieved FAR more than Rodgers has done when he first got the Utd job and was subsequently given time to get it right.
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Ancelotti managed Juve before Milan so it wasn't his first big job. So whilst he is considered a top manager now, he got sacked from Juve. And Milan may have been "struggling" when he took them over, they'd finished 1st, 3rd and 6th in the three seasons before. 1st and 3rd, not 7th, 7th and 8th when BR took over at Liverpool. Ancelotti inherited a team which included the likes of Shevchenko, Inzaghi, Pirlo, Gattuso, Rui Costa, Costacurta amongst others, and then they bought Rivaldo, Nesta and Seedorf. I don't need to tell you the team that BR inherited as you're quite aware.
It's all very well to say Ancelotti did this and won this with this team but you don't consider the actual team/players he had at his disposal, the circumstances, the context. AC Milan may have been underperforming when Carlo took over but they were not in the situation we are in. As I said, 3 season earlier they'd won the league. We haven't won the league in 25 years. Completely different circumstances so completely pointless to compare the two managers.
Since then, deservedly, Carlo has gone from top job to top job because he's a very good manager but if you go back to where he started, arguably he failed in his first big job at Juve and he inherited a pretty-very good squad at Milan that was underperforming.
As for Klopp, took Mainz up but also got them relegated. Dortmund took a punt on him. He took them up to 6th and then 5th. So his first 2 season weren't particularly fruitful. So we have a manager who relegated a team, then had a pretty average start in his first 2 seasons at a bigger club. He then won the league twice but what was going on at Bayern? Well LVG was messing it up a little having won the league the season before, he was sacked in April. Not taking anything away from Dortmund mind, but their main rival for the league were having a bit of a mare. The next season Heynckes came in had a go at the league; top for more than half the season but Dortmund had a brilliant end to the season. Doesn't that sound quite similar to Liverpool's second season under BR (apart from the end result, Dortmund won it, Liverpool didn't). Dortmund haven't won it since, with Bayern dominating. And Dortmund have had a disastrous season this time round. If you wanted to be a little pedantic, you could argue that Dortmund won their league titles while Bayern were going through a "transitional" period. Bayern won it before, went through a couple of managerial changes and then once settled they started winning it again.
Again once you look at the context it tells you a little more than manager takes over, wins things; a very simplistic way of looking at it.
Now BR took over a team with problems. 3 managerial changes in 3 seasons. Lost most of their best players in that period. Almost went into administration. We were finishing around 7th/8th for 3 consecutive seasons. Not a one off blip like Milan who dropped from 3rd to 6th one season. It was a problem. First season was average. 2 season was brilliant. Third season was poor. Suarez gone, Sturridge injured, Gerrard in his final season and not at his best, it's quite similar to Dortmund I suppose. They lost their best players, Gotze then Lewandowski, a injury plagued season for Reus and they finished 7th. As good a manager Klopp may be, he couldn't do much about losing two of his best players and one having injury problems. It was a horrendous season really, they were in and around the bottom 3 until the 20th game of the season. For a team that was top 4 for 5 years running to being in the relegation positions for almost half the season. Can you see the similarities? I can.
BR made mistakes, some of his transfers have been poor, but all managers make mistakes in the transfer market. It's been a difficult season particularly after last season raising everyone expectations. However since he came in, he said this was a project, a long road for the club to be back competing at the top. It's true. Last season raised expectation but it was also proof what Rodgers was capable of with the right players. We were fantastic last season. Scoring for fun, playing lovely attacking football. Losing Suarez and Sturridge being injured has had a massive impact, and it would for any manager. (Klopp losing Gotze and Lewandowski and finishing 7th)
I suppose the point I'm trying to make is that firstly it's a little pointless to compare one manager with another, without discussing the context, and secondly if you are going to do that, you could argue that at one point in their careers, Ancelotti and Klopp could have been considered "second rate", Juve sacking for Carlo, two very average seasons for Klopp, but at one point it all clicked into place for those managers. After that they were considered good mangers. It almost clicked for BR last season. I think because of that and the problems we've had this season, he should get another season.
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posted on 24/5/15
Klopp looks like the right man at the right time. 6-1 has killed it for me...scandulous.
posted on 24/5/15
I've chilled out a bit since the game and I reckon he should be given one more season (or half) but he needs to get rid of most of the shít he's bought
posted on 24/5/15
Tbf there is a hell.of a cse to.get rid of him:
1,, Europe....disaster absolute.
2,,Prem losses...far too many..far far too many
3,,Money on strikers.....everone a fkn waste bar studge
4,,Big game mentality.....havent got one.
posted on 24/5/15
We can't sack him without a replacement in waiting. If our manager recruitment is anything like our player recruitment we'll be seeing Allardyce coming in with Ings, Garbutt and Benteke in no time.
posted on 24/5/15
I have a feeling hes gone now. FSG didnt hang around with kenny i can see br falling way short this season of their expectations.
posted on 24/5/15
We need to wipe the slate clean,champions league and europa league failure,premier league gone backwards,minimum top four finish.Fa cup failure and a poor run at the end of season with this result being the icing on the cake.Clueless tactical and team picks.
We need to move forward,taking a risk on half a season,imo no way.We need to bring in a new manager of klopp/rafa experience not a 180 page dossier to sway the owners.
Man utd tried it didnt work so got a world class manager.
posted on 24/5/15
Klopp or Ancelotti only for me, otherwise we should keep BR. Ancelotti says he is going to take a sabbatical though so it's only Klopp really.
posted on 24/5/15
Klopp is the perfect fit.
FSG will probably go out and bring in Gary Monk.
posted on 24/5/15
Careful what you wish for, United sacked their manager and replaced him with Gollum, then sacked Gollum and replaced him with some has-been who hasn't done anything of note since the 90s, looks like a shrivelled t3sticle and he flopped too.
posted on 24/5/15
whoever we get, the expectation is 5th at best.
posted on 24/5/15
I was firmly behind Rodgers all season even up to today but now I'm just so disappointed with the final quarter of the season 8 points from 9 games and topped off with today's capitulation. An absolute disaster of a game and I'm now worried there is a malaise set in that will carry into next season.
Big problem is if we loose on the opening day of next season or even don't win a game we should on paper the knives are immediately out for Brendan and there will be a horrible feeling around the club and among the fans, he's only one or two poor results away from being under massive pressure for the next season should he keep his job.
I don't like managers being fired often and and would like to see Brendan turn it around but he's alrqdy lost a large number of the fan base and like I said a bad result early next season and its doin and gloom from the off, really don't want to face that again, I see it being very hard for BR to win back the fans who want him out.
I didn't think Id be saying this but if Klopp is attainable then I'd go for him, maybe he'd be attracted to the job, tying to get a former elite club back among the best.
Going to be a pain in the hole of a summer!
posted on 24/5/15
Klopp is a big worry for me
He has been a manager for a long time and recently 'wrecked' his side worse than Rodgers.
He's been a manager for a long time and his success all came at once in a few year period. Could it just be he stumbled on a class group of 6-7 players and rode it until it collapsed?
Either way, people have already put him as a messiah and that can only end badly.
posted on 24/5/15
Klopp is the perfect fit.
FSG will probably go out and bring in Gary Monk.
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You'd be lucky to get Monk he's proven to be a much better manager than Rogers. Don't think Klopp will go to Liverpool it would be a sideways step for him he will be looking higher I would think ie Man City probably.
As with not being able to attract the top players attracting the top managers is probably unlikely as well. Someone like Frank De Boer might be able to turn Liverpool's fortunes around.
posted on 24/5/15
comment by The Kaiser's Trainers (U5676)
posted 15 minutes ago
Careful what you wish for, United sacked their manager and replaced him with Gollum, then sacked Gollum and replaced him with some has-been who hasn't done anything of note since the 90s, looks like a shrivelled t3sticle and he flopped too.
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clueless twa t
top 4 target achieved
posted on 24/5/15
200 mil to achieve tip 4 and with no european football you hardly mustered a title challenge. He'll that 100 mil spent by br seems small change
But I said earlier what kneepad just stated. Br is now at a road that u less he starts if really well next season any consecutive defeats would be full blown crisis. For that reason and if klopp is available and he is interested than we should.go for it.
posted on 24/5/15
comment by The Kaiser's Trainers (U5676)
posted 12 minutes ago
Klopp is a big worry for me
He has been a manager for a long time and recently 'wrecked' his side worse than Rodgers.
He's been a manager for a long time and his success all came at once in a few year period. Could it just be he stumbled on a class group of 6-7 players and rode it until it collapsed?
Either way, people have already put him as a messiah and that can only end badly.
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Klopp lost his best players year in year out, replaced them and managed to keep them in the top 2. Only this year has it caught up with him. He lost Barrios, Sahin, Kagawa, Goetze, and Lewandowski before it finally caught up with him.
In his trainwreck of a season (and it has been poor by his standards), he's secured Europe for them and is in a cup final with a good chance of winning it.
He's not the messiah and does have his faults, but he's undoubtedly a better manager than Rodgers, and has proven it with trophies domestically and done better than Rodgers has in Europe as well.
And on a much smaller budget.
posted on 24/5/15
If he can't cope with losing his best players year in year out, then he's not the manager for us.
We've been doing that for 6 years now so he's already missed the boat.
posted on 24/5/15
He has coped for the most part. Only after losing his 5th key player has he struggled. And Rodgers has lost only one of our best players in his time here.
posted on 25/5/15
not good enough, you're just making excuses for him
if he was any good, he would have planned for it
anyone who had a side fall from the top end of the table to 6th shouldn't even be allowed to manage again.
posted on 25/5/15
He has coped with that as he has won 2 titles and done better in europe, only this year he had an average year which he has a chance in winning a cup.
posted on 25/5/15
#KloppFortheKop is trending
posted on 25/5/15
he hasn't coped though, he had them in the relegation spots in a league with only one good team in it.
finishing anything other than second in a one team league is pathetic
posted on 25/5/15
Rodgers in, he's done great. We have a clear and exciting style, our players look really up for each game, great big game mentality, they all look comfortable playing in their best positions week in week out. We're just really unlucky that we're the only team who have had injuries.
posted on 25/5/15
I just wanted to see how it felt to be a kill Rodgers / everything is excuses not reasons type.
Being a completely irrational t^at isn't that hard, but I can't say I enjoy it.
posted on 25/5/15
I wrote this on another article in response to a comment about Ancelotti and Klopp (and others) but it fits in to this discussion better.............
comment by righteous1 (U7048)
posted 1 hour, 53 minutes ago
Ancelotti didn't start at the top.
His first job was Reggiana, then Parma, then his first big job at Milan (who were struggling at the time).
Since then he has had top jobs, guess why? Because he has proven he is a top manager!
People always moan about Mourinho 'he can only do it with money', guess why he always has money? Because he proved he is a top manager so gets the top jobs!
If we can't attract a top manager then we are accepting we are not a top club anymore.
Rodgers isn't a top manager. He hasn't proved it.
This was his chance to elevate himself to the level of the Ancelottis and the Klopps and the Rafa's.
He has had 3 years to do so and hasn't managed it.
At best it's 'jury's out'.
If we sack him tomorrow he won't be walking to Benfica or PSG. He'd struggle to even get a Zenit or Ajax, or a West Ham in England.
We can either stick with a second rate manager who might, one day, God knows when, develop into a trophy winner.
Or we can go out and get the trophy winning top managers that are already out there.
We like to think of ourselves as a top club, what do you think the top clubs would do? Do you think the Porto's, Bayerns, etc would be happy with his 3 years?
And please, nobody mention Utd and SAF. SAF had achieved FAR more than Rodgers has done when he first got the Utd job and was subsequently given time to get it right.
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Ancelotti managed Juve before Milan so it wasn't his first big job. So whilst he is considered a top manager now, he got sacked from Juve. And Milan may have been "struggling" when he took them over, they'd finished 1st, 3rd and 6th in the three seasons before. 1st and 3rd, not 7th, 7th and 8th when BR took over at Liverpool. Ancelotti inherited a team which included the likes of Shevchenko, Inzaghi, Pirlo, Gattuso, Rui Costa, Costacurta amongst others, and then they bought Rivaldo, Nesta and Seedorf. I don't need to tell you the team that BR inherited as you're quite aware.
It's all very well to say Ancelotti did this and won this with this team but you don't consider the actual team/players he had at his disposal, the circumstances, the context. AC Milan may have been underperforming when Carlo took over but they were not in the situation we are in. As I said, 3 season earlier they'd won the league. We haven't won the league in 25 years. Completely different circumstances so completely pointless to compare the two managers.
Since then, deservedly, Carlo has gone from top job to top job because he's a very good manager but if you go back to where he started, arguably he failed in his first big job at Juve and he inherited a pretty-very good squad at Milan that was underperforming.
As for Klopp, took Mainz up but also got them relegated. Dortmund took a punt on him. He took them up to 6th and then 5th. So his first 2 season weren't particularly fruitful. So we have a manager who relegated a team, then had a pretty average start in his first 2 seasons at a bigger club. He then won the league twice but what was going on at Bayern? Well LVG was messing it up a little having won the league the season before, he was sacked in April. Not taking anything away from Dortmund mind, but their main rival for the league were having a bit of a mare. The next season Heynckes came in had a go at the league; top for more than half the season but Dortmund had a brilliant end to the season. Doesn't that sound quite similar to Liverpool's second season under BR (apart from the end result, Dortmund won it, Liverpool didn't). Dortmund haven't won it since, with Bayern dominating. And Dortmund have had a disastrous season this time round. If you wanted to be a little pedantic, you could argue that Dortmund won their league titles while Bayern were going through a "transitional" period. Bayern won it before, went through a couple of managerial changes and then once settled they started winning it again.
Again once you look at the context it tells you a little more than manager takes over, wins things; a very simplistic way of looking at it.
Now BR took over a team with problems. 3 managerial changes in 3 seasons. Lost most of their best players in that period. Almost went into administration. We were finishing around 7th/8th for 3 consecutive seasons. Not a one off blip like Milan who dropped from 3rd to 6th one season. It was a problem. First season was average. 2 season was brilliant. Third season was poor. Suarez gone, Sturridge injured, Gerrard in his final season and not at his best, it's quite similar to Dortmund I suppose. They lost their best players, Gotze then Lewandowski, a injury plagued season for Reus and they finished 7th. As good a manager Klopp may be, he couldn't do much about losing two of his best players and one having injury problems. It was a horrendous season really, they were in and around the bottom 3 until the 20th game of the season. For a team that was top 4 for 5 years running to being in the relegation positions for almost half the season. Can you see the similarities? I can.
BR made mistakes, some of his transfers have been poor, but all managers make mistakes in the transfer market. It's been a difficult season particularly after last season raising everyone expectations. However since he came in, he said this was a project, a long road for the club to be back competing at the top. It's true. Last season raised expectation but it was also proof what Rodgers was capable of with the right players. We were fantastic last season. Scoring for fun, playing lovely attacking football. Losing Suarez and Sturridge being injured has had a massive impact, and it would for any manager. (Klopp losing Gotze and Lewandowski and finishing 7th)
I suppose the point I'm trying to make is that firstly it's a little pointless to compare one manager with another, without discussing the context, and secondly if you are going to do that, you could argue that at one point in their careers, Ancelotti and Klopp could have been considered "second rate", Juve sacking for Carlo, two very average seasons for Klopp, but at one point it all clicked into place for those managers. After that they were considered good mangers. It almost clicked for BR last season. I think because of that and the problems we've had this season, he should get another season.
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