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posted on 4/6/15

it's about having enough pace in the attacking unit not every player needs to be super fast
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That is not true. Think abt it for a second. The starting position of those players are vital to pushing CBs back and creating space.

RW/LW start from a deeper position and are usually defended by full backs of the opposition. Full backs are much faster than CBs so the opposing back line does not need to drop deep. Most managers accept that a LW/RW will have to beat a full back and a covering Cb to get onto goal. So its easier to defend a fast LW/RW.

If there is a FAST central striker on the CB however (furthest forward), the CBs have to drop deep or play offside. Playing offside against someone of the class of Ozil/Alexis/Santi putting in through ball is suicidal. This is why Barca got rid of Ibra (one the best link strikers ever) so quickly. Fluidity really needs fast players across the front line. This is why Messi, Saurez and Neymar are such a fantastic combination. All three are very sharp, make terrific off the ball runs, rotate (so you cannot mark one out of the game) and push the entire opposing back line backwards.

posted on 4/6/15

Inventor

You are getting worked up about not going for players a 5 days after the season has finished when everyone at Arsenal is taking a well earned break

Take a month off, its the summer holidays. Go and find a nice girl book a weekend away on a beach somewhere. This place will be here for you to moan, rant and rave when you get back I promise.

posted on 4/6/15

Spend millions of pounds on someone who doesnt make the difference when it matters. Right? Make sense.
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Spend millions on Benzema to replace Giroud? Makes perfect fackin sense to me seeing as he is twice the player.

Benzema hasn't been main man for Madrid so it's hard to judge his big game influence. Bale is a big game player but even he's been ineffective in big games because all goes through Ronaldo.

Bale's biggest moment was in the Copa Del Rey final, no surprises it was when Ronaldo wasn't playing.

Benzema has a strong mentality it just won't be acknowledged till he's main man, his ability is worth us affording him that opportunity.

Much better than Giroud

posted on 4/6/15

he's ready to play there now and there's a good balance with him/Giroud rotating and Theo playing wide sometimes. They have opposite style so we can mix up tactics.
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What a myth
The fifa mentality returns.

When has there ever been a successful rotation policy between strikers for a title challenging team?

You don't simply rotate and expect them to score or even impact the games they start.

CF needs to be a 1st choice and reliable, they need to develop a rhythm.

We will need a certain No. 1 next season and I don't think Wenger is ready to make Theo that guy, the same way he hesitated on doing it with Welbeck.

From what we currently have, Giroud will always be the main choice and it's simply not enough. He's backup quality

posted on 4/6/15

comment by Oxlade-Chambers (Inventor) (U6157)
posted 2 minutes ago
Spend millions of pounds on someone who doesnt make the difference when it matters. Right? Make sense.
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Spend millions on Benzema to replace Giroud? Makes perfect fackin sense to me seeing as he is twice the player.

Benzema hasn't been main man for Madrid so it's hard to judge his big game influence. Bale is a big game player but even he's been ineffective in big games because all goes through Ronaldo.

Bale's biggest moment was in the Copa Del Rey final, no surprises it was when Ronaldo wasn't playing.

Benzema has a strong mentality it just won't be acknowledged till he's main man, his ability is worth us affording him that opportunity.

Much better than Giroud
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You contradict yourself.

You are saying Giroud not good enough in big games. He doesnt wins your titles.

Benzema isnt a big game player either but you want him at Arsenal for the sake of it and pay money over the odds. (Dont think personally that Benzema is available but that is another story).

You want Giroud replaced for the sake of it and at best being sold. At least you should be honest.

posted on 4/6/15

Now imagine an elite CF that's quick like Theo but also clinical.
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So why have you mentioned most of the names you have when none of them are that. Have you actually just forgotten how fast Theo is? Is there even a striker out there who can fit that bill before Walcott scores 30 and "Officially" fits it himself. I confess I don't watch much football other than Arsenal games but exactly what elite CF comes anywhere near Walcott's pace? Because there's nobody you've mentioned that he wouldn't decimate in a foot race.

And this is what bugs me about you harping about this CF. You already know that the player whom fits your above-mentioned description either doesn't exist unless Theo becomes him. Or is totally unobtainable for Arsenal short of Real and Barca going bankrupt and having to sell all their stars off cheap.

posted on 4/6/15

GT

When have I ever said Giroud should be sold?

He's proven to be brilliant backup quality and good off the bench but not convinced he's main man.

I don't want Benzema for the sake of it. I want him because he is a quality CF and I have faith that he'd influence big games for us if he was in our team

posted on 4/6/15

comment by WengersBodyguard2 (U8276)
posted 47 seconds ago
Now imagine an elite CF that's quick like Theo but also clinical.
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So why have you mentioned most of the names you have when none of them are that. Have you actually just forgotten how fast Theo is? Is there even a striker out there who can fit that bill before Walcott scores 30 and "Officially" fits it himself. I confess I don't watch much football other than Arsenal games but exactly what elite CF comes anywhere near Walcott's pace? Because there's nobody you've mentioned that he wouldn't decimate in a foot race.

And this is what bugs me about you harping about this CF. You already know that the player whom fits your above-mentioned description either doesn't exist unless Theo becomes him. Or is totally unobtainable for Arsenal short of Real and Barca going bankrupt and having to sell all their stars off cheap.
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Do you faith in Welbeck backing up Theo? I am not sure. I think we need another younger player as well to bridge to Akpom.

posted on 4/6/15

comment by WengersBodyguard2 (U8276)
posted 16 seconds ago
Now imagine an elite CF that's quick like Theo but also clinical.
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So why have you mentioned most of the names you have when none of them are that. Have you actually just forgotten how fast Theo is? Is there even a striker out there who can fit that bill before Walcott scores 30 and "Officially" fits it himself. I confess I don't watch much football other than Arsenal games but exactly what elite CF comes anywhere near Walcott's pace? Because there's nobody you've mentioned that he wouldn't decimate in a foot race.

And this is what bugs me about you harping about this CF. You already know that the player whom fits your above-mentioned description either doesn't exist unless Theo becomes him. Or is totally unobtainable for Arsenal short of Real and Barca going bankrupt and having to sell all their stars off cheap.
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FFS I'm happy with Theo being deployed my main concern is that eventually he will not.

Looking at the way Arsene has utilised him over the past 6 months is a sign that he's just no fully convinced. Regardless of how much chance he may or may not get Giroud is No. 1 at Arsenal.... FACT.

This isn't good enough not to mention Theo is injury prone and unproven at CF long term.

If he plays there regularly, then great but my main issue is that he just won't

posted on 4/6/15

Does anyone have any stats for how many times Giroud has come off the bench and scored. Must be one of the best ratios in the history of the premier league. The Newcastle game a while back, alone would bump it up but then this season you have Everton away and the cup final off the top of my head.

There is a good argument to start Theo and then bring Giroud on later to offer something different

posted on 4/6/15

comment by The Godfather (U10154)
posted 0 seconds ago
Does anyone have any stats for how many times Giroud has come off the bench and scored. Must be one of the best ratios in the history of the premier league. The Newcastle game a while back, alone would bump it up but then this season you have Everton away and the cup final off the top of my head.

There is a good argument to start Theo and then bring Giroud on later to offer something different
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Oh and united at home

posted on 4/6/15

Benzema's not even for sale so it's a bit of a pointless discussion

posted on 4/6/15

Godfather
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a) are you so sure that Giroud is going to be happy going from starting striker to a bench role?

b) part of the reason why he has done well off the bench is the strength of opposition and the tactics at the time. That is CBs drop deep instead of pushing up because they are defending a lead or are tired. How many times has he come off the bench and changed the game against class opposition.

posted on 4/6/15

comment by Oxlade-Chambers (Inventor) (U6157)
posted 9 minutes ago
GT

When have I ever said Giroud should be sold?

He's proven to be brilliant backup quality and good off the bench but not convinced he's main man.

I don't want Benzema for the sake of it. I want him because he is a quality CF and I have faith that he'd influence big games for us if he was in our team
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he won't man. And he showed that on big occasions. He won't.

posted on 4/6/15

comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 2 minutes ago
Godfather
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a) are you so sure that Giroud is going to be happy going from starting striker to a bench role?
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http://news.arseblog.com/2015/06/giroud-on-missing-the-final-what-matters-is-the-team/

He's a good guy man.

posted on 4/6/15

comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by WengersBodyguard2 (U8276)
posted 47 seconds ago
Now imagine an elite CF that's quick like Theo but also clinical.
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So why have you mentioned most of the names you have when none of them are that. Have you actually just forgotten how fast Theo is? Is there even a striker out there who can fit that bill before Walcott scores 30 and "Officially" fits it himself. I confess I don't watch much football other than Arsenal games but exactly what elite CF comes anywhere near Walcott's pace? Because there's nobody you've mentioned that he wouldn't decimate in a foot race.

And this is what bugs me about you harping about this CF. You already know that the player whom fits your above-mentioned description either doesn't exist unless Theo becomes him. Or is totally unobtainable for Arsenal short of Real and Barca going bankrupt and having to sell all their stars off cheap.
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Do you faith in Welbeck backing up Theo? I am not sure. I think we need another younger player as well to bridge to Akpom.
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We have Giroud, Theo and Welbeck....and can change position (Theo and Welbeck)

I prefer to have players all around that can score. We shouldnt be relying on one player. That makes us less predictable.

posted on 4/6/15

Pace upfront is not necessarily needed upfront. We played class games with OG against Liverpool and at City.

posted on 4/6/15

comment by internal solutions (U19964)
posted 8 minutes ago
Benzema's not even for sale so it's a bit of a pointless discussion
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Benitez supposedly wants Bale on the left with Ronaldo maybe at CF, so this might make Benzema available.

With a new gaffer and Madrid's yearly galactico recruit, there's a chance. If not there are other options

posted on 4/6/15

comment by TheSkins (U3865)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 2 minutes ago
Godfather
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a) are you so sure that Giroud is going to be happy going from starting striker to a bench role?
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http://news.arseblog.com/2015/06/giroud-on-missing-the-final-what-matters-is-the-team/

He's a good guy man.
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He knows exactly that he has to fight for his place. He has done it when Danny was bought and he will survive Theo as well. He isnt a 30 goal striker and not in the mould I wish we could have at Arsenal (Suarez) but he is good enough for Arsenal and has done his job well so far.

posted on 4/6/15

comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 2 minutes ago
Pace upfront is not necessarily needed upfront. We played class games with OG against Liverpool and at City.


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Liverpool worked well because of their back 3 which we pressed well having a player on each, that's not a tactic that can be used so often as most don't play with a back 3, we mirrored that performance against Hull shortly after (also played a back 3) against others it was normal service resumed.

City game we scored both goals from a set-piece. That performance was more credible for our defensive discipline not attacking prowess

posted on 4/6/15

Inventor

posted on 4/6/15

comment by TheSkins (U3865)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 2 minutes ago
Godfather
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a) are you so sure that Giroud is going to be happy going from starting striker to a bench role?
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http://news.arseblog.com/2015/06/giroud-on-missing-the-final-what-matters-is-the-team/

He's a good guy man.
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Exactly. Giroud's attitude is spot on, hence why he has scored so many from the bench. He was even the one advocating for us to get another striker to give him competition

Giroud is class but its clear that he cant sustain that top form for more than about ten games at a time ( who can apart from the very very best?) So rotation will be key

posted on 4/6/15

Away from strikers.

Javi Martinez would be a superb signing. Could stake a claim to start at centre-back whilst being sufficient cover at DM.

Not the quickest but great reader and still quicker than Merts (always a bonus)

posted on 4/6/15

People say talk about my relentless faith in Ozil but at least I'm backing someone who's proven to be top quality (world class)

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One of your more astonishing comments.

Based solely on his previous reputation, you have falsely elevated to the status of "Footballing deity and club saviour," a player whom disgracefully underperformed for your club for an entire season. Then played well for just under half a season.

You've credited said player for things that had nothing to do with him and utterly disrespected the contributions of the rest of your players in doing so.

GT is defending a player that has bust his a.ss all one season and leg for half the next, then played out of his socks the rest. Only to be unfairly slated for his efforts.

And you think YOU have the high ground Kids today eh . Hate to tell you this but there is only one of you who's actions are wrong in this scenario. And I'll give you a clue...It's not GT

posted on 4/6/15

You mean Javi Martinez from Bayern, right?

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