still can't believe that they are selling him to you, school boy error from the chàvs!

He's just a better keeper. That's good for Arsenal and bad for Chelsea.

To try and have a sensible conversation about this may be hard but here goes.

Cech is a excellent shot stopper, but since his head injury he does not command his area they way he used to, you will need big strong defenders to deal with a lot of the crosses.

I noticed a big improvement in the area last year when Courtois was in goal.

Dont get me wrong he is not suspect or weak just not what you expect from a top keeper, De Gea improved in this area last year and became a much more commanding keeper for it.

A defence needs to know the keeper will come out and win the ball, Cech was guilty a few times of leaving this to the defenders and we conceded because of it (not last year the year before)

Exactly my thinking, White Wall. I do not necessarily see Cech improving our biggest weaknesses, and as such cannot see the massive improvement to gain an extra 15 points.

Chelsea's defence (not just the back 4, but the whole team) is very different in style and stature to Arsenal's so it will be interesting to see how Cech adapts, and how the defensive set up is changed to suit him.

I also got fed up of him conceding at his near post in his last full season, but i suppose that happens to all keepers from time to time.

comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 2 minutes ago
Exactly my thinking, White Wall. I do not necessarily see Cech improving our biggest weaknesses, and as such cannot see the massive improvement to gain an extra 15 points.

Chelsea's defence (not just the back 4, but the whole team) is very different in style and stature to Arsenal's so it will be interesting to see how Cech adapts, and how the defensive set up is changed to suit him.
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No way is any keeper worth 15 points to a team that finished 3rd last year, he may however win you a few points.

Importantly you will have a serial winner in your dressing room, Jose brought Drogba back last year for this purpose, someone who has done it all can help in a tight title race.

comment by White Wall (U1078)
posted 9 minutes ago
I also got fed up of him conceding at his near post in his last full season, but i suppose that happens to all keepers from time to time.
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Think this happens to keepers as the get older, hard to quantify of course but the exact same thing happened with Pepe Reina for us, he basically forgot how to save shots to his near post in his final season as number 1.

I don't buy into this notion that we have lacked a winning mentality and it became such a cliché.

Even prior to ending our notorious trophy drought, we still had players who had tasted success in other leagues. The reason why we didn't win much was due to poor preparation and tactics, and a squad that didn't have enough quality all-round.

comment by White Wall (U1078)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 2 minutes ago
Exactly my thinking, White Wall. I do not necessarily see Cech improving our biggest weaknesses, and as such cannot see the massive improvement to gain an extra 15 points.

Chelsea's defence (not just the back 4, but the whole team) is very different in style and stature to Arsenal's so it will be interesting to see how Cech adapts, and how the defensive set up is changed to suit him.
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No way is any keeper worth 15 points to a team that finished 3rd last year, he may however win you a few points.

Importantly you will have a serial winner in your dressing room, Jose brought Drogba back last year for this purpose, someone who has done it all can help in a tight title race.
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Exactly at the top end of the table 15 points is just way too unrealistic a figure, but like you say he may well be worth a few extra points which could make the difference at the top of the table.

comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by White Wall (U1078)
posted 9 minutes ago
I also got fed up of him conceding at his near post in his last full season, but i suppose that happens to all keepers from time to time.
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Think this happens to keepers as the get older, hard to quantify of course but the exact same thing happened with Pepe Reina for us, he basically forgot how to save shots to his near post in his final season as number 1.
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Maybe its their eye sight going.

cheer up lads we'll give pete a good home

I agree, he may have brought Liverpool 15 points as our defence was dross last year and mignolet was suspect for a lot of it.
But arsenal defence was very good last year anyway so I cant see him bringing in that type of points gain. But if he can keep you at that same level this year you'll be laughing with a few starting XI additions as well

When all is said and done Cech is a significant improvement to what Arsenal have had in recent years.

By far the best drummer at the club

comment by White Wall (U1078)
posted 33 minutes ago
I also got fed up of him conceding at his near post in his last full season, but i suppose that happens to all keepers from time to time.
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for a supposed top keeper lloris gets done like this far to often.....and his kicking is piff.

I agree with most of the points raised in this article
Its impossible at this stage to predict how many points Cech will win us next season, however there's no doubt he's an improvement on Szcz & Ospina and that's all you can ask for

comment by White Wall (U1078)
posted 47 minutes ago
To try and have a sensible conversation about this may be hard but here goes.

Cech is a excellent shot stopper, but since his head injury he does not command his area they way he used to, you will need big strong defenders to deal with a lot of the crosses.

I noticed a big improvement in the area last year when Courtois was in goal.

Dont get me wrong he is not suspect or weak just not what you expect from a top keeper, De Gea improved in this area last year and became a much more commanding keeper for it.

A defence needs to know the keeper will come out and win the ball, Cech was guilty a few times of leaving this to the defenders and we conceded because of it (not last year the year before)
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Not true. His kicking is his wrost attribute. Cech was pretty poor at commadning his area(compared to all his others traits) before the head injury. If anything that has improved with time. He's got better and better

Sometimes it isn't he saves that wins you the points as you said but their being there.

Cech may not have scored in a 0-0 draw to make it a win but sometimes knowing you are safe at the back will give a team the confidence to push on and attack a bit more without the same fear of being caught out at the back.

Cech may not have scored in a 0-0 draw to make it a win but sometimes knowing you are safe at the back will give a team the confidence to push on and attack a bit more without the same fear of being caught out at the back.
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TBF, I don't think that has been Arsenal's problem over the last few months.

obviously 12-15 pts is a massive exaggeration.

he is better than anything we have, however.

my main concern is also what he will do if left 1 on 1 with a massive gap to bridge. it must be remembered Ospina and Shez don't have the best records in these situations either.

Cech should be good for Arsenal, I don't know if he will be better than what you had, I don't watch you enough to judge that but I suspect you will be pleased with him.

In terms of points, it's a funny old thing, for instance look at Chelsea and the stick we get for being defensive. Then look at the goals scored from defence from all the teams and none come close to scoring as many as Chelsea, over 20 between them. Not bad for a team that can only defend, supposedly.

Very good article from DJ. I feel there is likely to be a crisis of expectation when Cech arrives. The one fundamental which will be crucial to PL or CL success for us this season is the long list of injuries. If they recur to the same level they have done in the last few seasons, we still won't win the big 2 with or without Cech. He is still a very good keeper, but not the Cech of 6 years ago, and how JT came to the conclusion he did is unexplained.

Very good article

I don't recall Ospina winning us many points if any, I can't think of any outstanding match winning saves from him. Szczesny probably won us more points last season. He obviously cost us more points too. Cech could well win us 8-10 points a season.

Let's not also forget Ospina had a big part to play in our exits from Europe and the league cup

I don't recall Ospina winning us many points if any
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Come off it, you don't pick up 41 points in 18 without the keeper making key contributions.
Newcastle, definitely. Sunderland, undeniably. Burnley, without a doubt.