All Athletico need to do is tell him not to agree personal terms. They can agree to sell him to Southampton, he then turns down the contract,then we buy him.
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how long before don comes on and blames levy lol
Well, well, well!
Just goes to show how dangerous it is, and how these gather momentum the more they are told, of rumours of clauses in contracts that have been bought out by the selling club.
I feel confident in my own position of not believing anything until it happens.
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posted 27 minutes ago
how long before don comes on and blames levy lol
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As soon as he sees this
Only thing they can take Atletico to court over is they try and reject an offer for the agreed fee. If he wer to reject a move to Southampton however, they can't sue anyone and Atleti are free to negotiate any price they like after that. Would have thought they'd be a bit more careful with contract clauses after the affair with Courtouis playing for them against Chelsea in the CL.
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I think this case brings into question the way contracts are drafted.
For any contract between Atletico and Saints to stick it must have had the agreement and signature of the player. Atletico cant contract to sell a player for a given sum to anyone without this agreement.
So, for any legal action by Saints to succeed will depend on whether all parties were signatories to the contract, not just the two clubs. If the player was not party to the buy out clause, then the two clubs have an invalid contract, unless human trafficking has not been abolished in Spain.
Like others, until it appears on the Spurs web site its all noise and from the same culprits - Sky and TalkShite.
Relax this is easily resolved it happens more often than you think.
Back in 2009 we had a very similar issue with asmir begovic this was resolved by Pompey paying us a percentage fee off of the fee they received from Stoke.
guarentee you this is what happens next....atletico wash their hands of this. We then sign Toby by cutting a deal with Southampton. It will be a small fee can't be no more than 2 million or a loan player for the season.
Toby is all agreed they did the deal thursday. You might of seen some media photos of collecot in Madrid. Cannot see this going wrong because of Southampton.
It's key to note that the d.o.f les reed at Southampton does not like us. Years ago we messed charlton about big time with the signings of bent/Danny Murphy and promises of loan players that never happened. It is well known he does not like to do business with us. it took months to get poch!
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Are we the new Millwall?
Nobody likes us
This stinks of bitterness from Saints, they realise Alderweireld would prefer to join Spurs, with Athletico agreeing a deal with us, going back on a previous agreement. Probably just threats with no legal leg to stand on.
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posted 7 minutes ago
Relax this is easily resolved it happens more often than you think.
Back in 2009 we had a very similar issue with asmir begovic this was resolved by Pompey paying us a percentage fee off of the fee they received from Stoke.
guarentee you this is what happens next....atletico wash their hands of this. We then sign Toby by cutting a deal with Southampton. It will be a small fee can't be no more than 2 million or a loan player for the season.
Toby is all agreed they did the deal thursday. You might of seen some media photos of collecot in Madrid. Cannot see this going wrong because of Southampton.
It's key to note that the d.o.f les reed at Southampton does not like us. Years ago we messed charlton about big time with the signings of bent/Danny Murphy and promises of loan players that never happened. It is well known he does not like to do business with us. it took months to get poch!
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Atletico cannot "wash their hands of it". They at the moment, hold the contract for the player. They must be the ones who sell the player, and with the player's agreement.
It is for Atletico to do a deal with Southampton if a contract exists between them and Southampton to transfer the player from Atletico to Southampton.
And if Southampton were willing to do a deal "with us" they would surely have accepted the buy back of the buy out clause that was reported last week, whether it was late or not.
Whilst our relationship with their D of F is as bad as you say, this deal is not subject to Spurs and Southampton.
And I would think it would be against the Premier league, FA and Fifa rules for back handed payments to be made for any player.
Look like Modric
How you doing buddy?, hope your right that the Alderweireld deal is done and dusted I really want this signing to happen.
Any news on anymore incomings and outgoings? and finally whats happening about Yedlin? is he staying or being loaned out or do we see him as an attacking midfielder now that we have Walker and Trippier at RB?
They are sending Les Reed to sort the mess out. Should be interesting. Mr Reed was signed with 3 clubs as a striker, Cambridge, Watford and Wycombe but never played a single game for any of them? He was voted 'worst manager of all time' by Charlton fans, sacked by the FA and is now one of 4 board directors at Southampton. Funny old career and in some ways proof that to succeed in football it is who you know and not what you know. Don't hold your breath Saints.
Back in 2009 we had a very similar issue with asmir begovic this was resolved by Pompey paying us a percentage fee off of the fee they received from Stoke.
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Not quite correct. Spurs and Portsmouth, and the players, Begovic and Kaboul had already agreed a transfer to Spurs in 2010, when Begovic changed his mind and wanted to go to Stoke.
Spurs had already paid a deposit on the combined transfer fee for both players, and the premier league ruled that Portsmouth must pay Spurs £1m for the aborted transfer.
Should of known this wouldnt be an easy transfer as anything involving Spurs ends up being complicated even if it's not our fault. This will most Definetly drag on for weeks and weeks now. So annoying.
@bill
The Pompey deal was a shiite site more complicated than that to explain I would be here all night but we threatened and could of blocked Stoke City or Pompey playing begovic. you block the registration to the premier league.
In this case we could sign Toby but Southampton could block the deal with the premier league. So we would own Toby but he would not be registered for use in the premier league. In Europa we could use him though.
The only way out after that if the premier league up held southmaptons complaints would be legal proceedings or negotiations between us and Southampton.
It would only be a small fee. We got a small fee for begovic after citing administration costs, costs of identifying a replacement and agent fees. ( don't be misled by the media our deal with Kabul was cheaper which is how we got our deposited money back and then got Defoe/crouch from them).
@dont cry
Alright mate hope your good.
Yeah I think this will not be an issue. In the end I think we will have Toby. Whatever happens in between that happens but I think we we should announce by next week. Unless Southampton are correct obviously but I doubt it lol.
Yedlins a funny one mate I've no doubt he is a commercial transfer primarily but the issue is we now have Cameron Carter-vickers so we have the token American player who will help us in the American market. Everyone I have spoke to says yedlin is getting loaned to the championship. Fulham or boro.
Personally I think he is fourth choice behind walker,trippier and walker-peters. With respect to yedlin he looked league two when I see him in the under 21s. (Albeit he did get injured for a big period after this so could not build on the poor performances)
The only other deal i have heard is Bentley from Southend United. Not sure if we are signing or keeping tabs. We have like an unannounced affiliation with them due to our respected youth coach Paul brush we loan them players and united train at our complex. As well as the constant behind closed doors friendliest between us I think we played them like 15 times last year!
@LLM
You are missing the point. The Portsmouth saga was sorted out officially through the premier league. There was no back room dealing between us and Stoke in order for Begovic to play for Stoke.
We complained to the Premier League that Portsmouth had reneged on a transfer deal for which we had already paid a deposit (for two players). It was then sorted by a ruling from the Premier League that Portsmouth should pay us £1m. Official.
In the case of Abereiweld, the dispute is between Southampton and Atletico on the basis of a "contract" between the two of them. We, if it is the case already, have entered into a contract with Atletico in good faith, to purchase the player with the player's agreement.
Any legal wrangles are between Southampton and Atletico, not us, and it would be quite wrong for Spurs to try to buy the silence of Southampton by offering them a back-hander, as you suggested would be the case.
It may very well be the case that the player is also joined in with any legal action on the part of Saints if he was party to the buy out clause inserted into the loan agreement between Atletico and Southampton.
Thanks for the reply LLM.
Must admit I will be disappointed if Yedlin dosent make it with us but then again the only time ive seen him play was at the world cup when he looked very exciting for USA.
since last summer we have made some really poor signings, Fazio who I hope improves has looked average, Davies I feel is a good squad player and Vorm a very able back up keeper but why the hell did we sign Stambouli?, not play him and then sell to Watford within a year?
We Must do better this transfer window or we will struggle to finish 6th next season.
If Toby does sign for us and all issues are resolved surely there is no way for us to sign Morgan S. (he still available). Would Southampton want to deal with us again lol ? For me this should finally put those rumours to bed.
Schneiderlin ship has long sailed. Just want to get this Alderweireld out the way but as always with Spurs transfers there's complications. It's like a never ending soap opera in regards to Spurs.
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posted on 5/7/15
All Athletico need to do is tell him not to agree personal terms. They can agree to sell him to Southampton, he then turns down the contract,then we buy him.
posted on 5/7/15
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posted on 5/7/15
how long before don comes on and blames levy lol
posted on 5/7/15
Well, well, well!
Just goes to show how dangerous it is, and how these gather momentum the more they are told, of rumours of clauses in contracts that have been bought out by the selling club.
I feel confident in my own position of not believing anything until it happens.
posted on 5/7/15
comment by eriksensensen (U17512)
posted 27 minutes ago
how long before don comes on and blames levy lol
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As soon as he sees this
posted on 5/7/15
Only thing they can take Atletico to court over is they try and reject an offer for the agreed fee. If he wer to reject a move to Southampton however, they can't sue anyone and Atleti are free to negotiate any price they like after that. Would have thought they'd be a bit more careful with contract clauses after the affair with Courtouis playing for them against Chelsea in the CL.
posted on 5/7/15
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posted on 5/7/15
I think this case brings into question the way contracts are drafted.
For any contract between Atletico and Saints to stick it must have had the agreement and signature of the player. Atletico cant contract to sell a player for a given sum to anyone without this agreement.
So, for any legal action by Saints to succeed will depend on whether all parties were signatories to the contract, not just the two clubs. If the player was not party to the buy out clause, then the two clubs have an invalid contract, unless human trafficking has not been abolished in Spain.
posted on 5/7/15
Like others, until it appears on the Spurs web site its all noise and from the same culprits - Sky and TalkShite.
posted on 5/7/15
Relax this is easily resolved it happens more often than you think.
Back in 2009 we had a very similar issue with asmir begovic this was resolved by Pompey paying us a percentage fee off of the fee they received from Stoke.
guarentee you this is what happens next....atletico wash their hands of this. We then sign Toby by cutting a deal with Southampton. It will be a small fee can't be no more than 2 million or a loan player for the season.
Toby is all agreed they did the deal thursday. You might of seen some media photos of collecot in Madrid. Cannot see this going wrong because of Southampton.
It's key to note that the d.o.f les reed at Southampton does not like us. Years ago we messed charlton about big time with the signings of bent/Danny Murphy and promises of loan players that never happened. It is well known he does not like to do business with us. it took months to get poch!
posted on 5/7/15
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posted on 5/7/15
Are we the new Millwall?
Nobody likes us
posted on 5/7/15
This stinks of bitterness from Saints, they realise Alderweireld would prefer to join Spurs, with Athletico agreeing a deal with us, going back on a previous agreement. Probably just threats with no legal leg to stand on.
posted on 5/7/15
comment by look like modric (U7431)
posted 7 minutes ago
Relax this is easily resolved it happens more often than you think.
Back in 2009 we had a very similar issue with asmir begovic this was resolved by Pompey paying us a percentage fee off of the fee they received from Stoke.
guarentee you this is what happens next....atletico wash their hands of this. We then sign Toby by cutting a deal with Southampton. It will be a small fee can't be no more than 2 million or a loan player for the season.
Toby is all agreed they did the deal thursday. You might of seen some media photos of collecot in Madrid. Cannot see this going wrong because of Southampton.
It's key to note that the d.o.f les reed at Southampton does not like us. Years ago we messed charlton about big time with the signings of bent/Danny Murphy and promises of loan players that never happened. It is well known he does not like to do business with us. it took months to get poch!
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Atletico cannot "wash their hands of it". They at the moment, hold the contract for the player. They must be the ones who sell the player, and with the player's agreement.
It is for Atletico to do a deal with Southampton if a contract exists between them and Southampton to transfer the player from Atletico to Southampton.
And if Southampton were willing to do a deal "with us" they would surely have accepted the buy back of the buy out clause that was reported last week, whether it was late or not.
Whilst our relationship with their D of F is as bad as you say, this deal is not subject to Spurs and Southampton.
And I would think it would be against the Premier league, FA and Fifa rules for back handed payments to be made for any player.
posted on 5/7/15
Look like Modric
How you doing buddy?, hope your right that the Alderweireld deal is done and dusted I really want this signing to happen.
Any news on anymore incomings and outgoings? and finally whats happening about Yedlin? is he staying or being loaned out or do we see him as an attacking midfielder now that we have Walker and Trippier at RB?
posted on 5/7/15
They are sending Les Reed to sort the mess out. Should be interesting. Mr Reed was signed with 3 clubs as a striker, Cambridge, Watford and Wycombe but never played a single game for any of them? He was voted 'worst manager of all time' by Charlton fans, sacked by the FA and is now one of 4 board directors at Southampton. Funny old career and in some ways proof that to succeed in football it is who you know and not what you know. Don't hold your breath Saints.
posted on 5/7/15
Back in 2009 we had a very similar issue with asmir begovic this was resolved by Pompey paying us a percentage fee off of the fee they received from Stoke.
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Not quite correct. Spurs and Portsmouth, and the players, Begovic and Kaboul had already agreed a transfer to Spurs in 2010, when Begovic changed his mind and wanted to go to Stoke.
Spurs had already paid a deposit on the combined transfer fee for both players, and the premier league ruled that Portsmouth must pay Spurs £1m for the aborted transfer.
posted on 5/7/15
Should of known this wouldnt be an easy transfer as anything involving Spurs ends up being complicated even if it's not our fault. This will most Definetly drag on for weeks and weeks now. So annoying.
posted on 5/7/15
@bill
The Pompey deal was a shiite site more complicated than that to explain I would be here all night but we threatened and could of blocked Stoke City or Pompey playing begovic. you block the registration to the premier league.
In this case we could sign Toby but Southampton could block the deal with the premier league. So we would own Toby but he would not be registered for use in the premier league. In Europa we could use him though.
The only way out after that if the premier league up held southmaptons complaints would be legal proceedings or negotiations between us and Southampton.
It would only be a small fee. We got a small fee for begovic after citing administration costs, costs of identifying a replacement and agent fees. ( don't be misled by the media our deal with Kabul was cheaper which is how we got our deposited money back and then got Defoe/crouch from them).
posted on 5/7/15
@dont cry
Alright mate hope your good.
Yeah I think this will not be an issue. In the end I think we will have Toby. Whatever happens in between that happens but I think we we should announce by next week. Unless Southampton are correct obviously but I doubt it lol.
Yedlins a funny one mate I've no doubt he is a commercial transfer primarily but the issue is we now have Cameron Carter-vickers so we have the token American player who will help us in the American market. Everyone I have spoke to says yedlin is getting loaned to the championship. Fulham or boro.
Personally I think he is fourth choice behind walker,trippier and walker-peters. With respect to yedlin he looked league two when I see him in the under 21s. (Albeit he did get injured for a big period after this so could not build on the poor performances)
The only other deal i have heard is Bentley from Southend United. Not sure if we are signing or keeping tabs. We have like an unannounced affiliation with them due to our respected youth coach Paul brush we loan them players and united train at our complex. As well as the constant behind closed doors friendliest between us I think we played them like 15 times last year!
posted on 5/7/15
@LLM
You are missing the point. The Portsmouth saga was sorted out officially through the premier league. There was no back room dealing between us and Stoke in order for Begovic to play for Stoke.
We complained to the Premier League that Portsmouth had reneged on a transfer deal for which we had already paid a deposit (for two players). It was then sorted by a ruling from the Premier League that Portsmouth should pay us £1m. Official.
In the case of Abereiweld, the dispute is between Southampton and Atletico on the basis of a "contract" between the two of them. We, if it is the case already, have entered into a contract with Atletico in good faith, to purchase the player with the player's agreement.
Any legal wrangles are between Southampton and Atletico, not us, and it would be quite wrong for Spurs to try to buy the silence of Southampton by offering them a back-hander, as you suggested would be the case.
It may very well be the case that the player is also joined in with any legal action on the part of Saints if he was party to the buy out clause inserted into the loan agreement between Atletico and Southampton.
posted on 5/7/15
Thanks for the reply LLM.
Must admit I will be disappointed if Yedlin dosent make it with us but then again the only time ive seen him play was at the world cup when he looked very exciting for USA.
since last summer we have made some really poor signings, Fazio who I hope improves has looked average, Davies I feel is a good squad player and Vorm a very able back up keeper but why the hell did we sign Stambouli?, not play him and then sell to Watford within a year?
We Must do better this transfer window or we will struggle to finish 6th next season.
posted on 5/7/15
If Toby does sign for us and all issues are resolved surely there is no way for us to sign Morgan S. (he still available). Would Southampton want to deal with us again lol ? For me this should finally put those rumours to bed.
posted on 6/7/15
Schneiderlin ship has long sailed. Just want to get this Alderweireld out the way but as always with Spurs transfers there's complications. It's like a never ending soap opera in regards to Spurs.
posted on 6/7/15
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