Nothing like trying to Stoak up division on the board !
Let's just hope the smug Pearson haters aren't feeling the sting of relegation with the rest of us this time next season...
And it's funny how Nev was only poster on here who has stated all along that Cambiasso wasn't going to renew his contract. Now it looks as though he's definitely off, more posters are coming out with Cambiasso 'facts'.
100% agree John if he was going to stay he would have signed in May. Time to move on
I Don't know Fox sometimes i feel like i am talking to myself. Why are we still debating it he left ages ago and we are still talking if he is still our player.
Much more interesting the midfield options being put forward and new strikers.
How very generous of you JG to be neutral in your assessment of Ranieri, when neither a ball has been kicked nor a player signed. It is, of course, impossible to be anything other than neutral in those circumstances.
I am one of the Pearson 'adherents' as you put it, although I haven't posted on the subject of either his departure or Ranieri's appointment. I assume you are therefore referring to others who have.
However, I am both underwhelmed and slightly concerned by the appointment of a man in the latter stages of his managerial career, whose achievements can at best be described as reasonable.
It is a fact that he has not lasted 2 years in any of the last 7 managerial jobs he has held, the majority of those being sackings after going on alarming winless streaks (sound familiar?)
You have previously advocated up-and-coming managerial appointments; the likes of Eddie Howe, Paul Clement and Sean Dyche have frequently been put forward by you as well as a number of lesser-known foreign coaches.
I would have thought an appointment who is such a polar opposite to the wish-list above might have attracted a stronger opinion from you, or was this simply one final opportunity for you to stick the boot in your nemesis all along?
Well clearly Ranieri was not on my own preferred list of candidates but is entitled -as was Pearson on his first appointment- to be given a chance to succeed. In this he requires the support of the club and supporters and I hope he receives this.
My instinct is that he will at least bring a period of measured behaviour and dignity to the club which it surely needs - also his contacts should assist in terms of signing players either on loan or transfer.
I wish him well.
Hold on Ranieri's asked Cambiasso to come back well its never dull round here.
Cambiasso is gone - we need to remove him from the reckoning. And actually, when you do it's really rather a worry. Our squad was already horribly imbalanced, and this summer's activities so far have only worsened that situation.
Ranieri has said he wants to persist with the 5-3-2 formation from last season, and it can't have escaped his notice that whilst we have six (yes...SIX) attackers/strikers we only have three fit midfielders at the whole club. They are King, Drinkwater and Hammond - hardly an inspiring premier league midfield unit!
Similarly we have three full-backs on each side (Fuchs, Schlupp, Konch on the left, Albrighton, De Laet and Simpson on the right) but only four centre backs to choose from for three places.
Whilst we're very strong down the flanks and up top, the spine of the team is worryingly lacking in both numbers and quality.
That's not a good position to be in just a few weeks from the start of the season regardless of who is the manager.
It is my belief that Cambiasso needs and seeks a new challenge. Almost impossible for him to re-instigate his impact here a second time.
However what is clear- is that the presence of Ranieri has reinvigorated the contact. As suggested in my article - a direct phone call would be possible and accepted between the two because of their common ground. This has taken place.
This is in contrast to the suggestion that Ranieri would be an obstacle
Lets not forget that nothing is official on Cambiasso. Nev has said he isn't staying all along and that his mind was made up in June.
The papers reckon a deal was verbally agreed in June, that could be right or wrong.
If Cambiasso leaves it won't necessarily be anything to do with Ranieri but it's not unreasonable to suggest that the disruption around NPs sacking could have had an impact
No one on this board knows what discussions have been had between Cambiasso and Leicester. No one knows for definite if he will be in a Leicester shirt or a West Ham one next season or playing in a different league entirely END OF!
I've never tried to make out I'm in the know, I just pass on what I read and draw my own conclusions which we are all entitled to do. I haven't said Nev is wrong or right, I believe he's seen a text that suggests Cambiasso is leaving. It's just that I think there is more to it than that.
Leicester haven't given up on him yet apparently....
comment by johngee (U5021)
posted 8 minutes ago
It is my belief that Cambiasso needs and seeks a new challenge. Almost impossible for him to re-instigate his impact here a second time.
However what is clear- is that the presence of Ranieri has reinvigorated the contact. As suggested in my article - a direct phone call would be possible and accepted between the two because of their common ground. This has taken place.
This is in contrast to the suggestion that Ranieri would be an obstacle
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There nothing unreasonable to draw the conclusion that Cambiasso might not relish playing under Ranieri given their previous poor relationship at Inter.
I've never stated that as a fact, I have no idea, equally you don't know exactly how much contact Ranieri has had with Cambiasso thus far.
No one knows, it's speculation. The one thing I will say is that very trusted sources have said that prior to this upheaval Cambiasso was set to stay. Believe what you like but try and understand that it's not ME saying this.
BS he has left... as i said the end of June. If he comes back thats only because the new manager has made him change his mind add JG's info to mine cant you see that?
What is obvious is that dealings with Cambiasso are not easy, look at the time it took him to finally come last year.
He could have had his pick of many Clubs if he so wished for a "new challenge",
I personally could fully understand if he wanted to wait to see what quality signings were brought in before committing himself to another season with us, fighting another relegation battle might not have been what he wanted but with the right signings could we challenge for top half finish.
I'll wait to see what happens but won't be worrying about what anyone claimed they knew because I don't believe anyone knows anything about him.
Both the Italian football writer James Horncastle and SSN have intimated that Cambiasso had an iffy relationship with Cambiasso.
I am sure there are a myriad of reasons why Cambiasso probably isn't staying and perhaps the appointment will have confirmed to him he wants another challenge
I find this post somewhat hypocritical even if I agree with it.
We are supposed to sit back and allow you to repeatedly slate Pearson and not back him despite him being manager of our club, but now we should all get behind Ranieri.... because he's the manager of our club?
I'm not sure I can go with that. If Ranieri turns out I be hugely successful and take our club forward (which I hope he does), then it can be seen to be a good move. But until then, the reality is we've just remove the most successful manager we've had for 10 years and replaced him with a very different type of man.
As any manager has when they join our club, Ranieri has my full support.
But if he fails to deliver on the pitch, I will question the decision, and I will criticise the appointment on forums like this.
I don't quite undersand how a few sceptical opinions of Ranieri shouldn't be allowed. We've just listened to you criticise (unfairly in my opinion) Pearson for his whole (very successful) tenure at our club.
I'll move on from Pearson when I see Ranieri delive in the pitch. Until then, the jury has to be out doesn't it?
Haha that doesn't make sense I meant Ranieri had an iffy relationship with cambiasso
Mersey, you missed the clever wording to counter your argument where JG refers only to his first spell in charge!
Nev, i don't doubt he has left the club, his deal finished on 30th.
Are Johns sources better than yours? Are they better than John Percy's? I have no idea but being as neither of you called Pearsons sacking in feb and the media did, then you can't blame me for opting to believe their sources on Cambiasso.
If Cambiasso signs it could be because of Ranieri. Or it could be money. Or captaincy, or because he likes the nightlife down Narborough Road, No one will really know for sure
The marvels of this communication age - just had whatsapp from my son -currently in Peru - that there is twitter confirmation of direct telephone call between Ranieri and Cambiasso
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There is always a possibility in times like this that people will confuse a healthy or constructive scepticism with a lack of support. I don’t think anyone here is suggesting that they won’t get behind the new guy, but it’s not necessarily wrong to voice some concern about the appointment. At this stage it can only be a concern based on evidence of performance at previous clubs, because we have no evidence of what he’ll do for Leicester City.
The issue of whether he’s more chance of keeping us up than Nigel Pearson is largely redundant, although we can call as evidence the fact that NP has kept us up once whereas we can only speculate about where we’ll finish under Claudio Ranieri. My personal view is that the chances of success have probably increased slightly, but the chances of relegation have also increased greatly. In other words we’ve gambled and hugely increased the risk.
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As a “Pearson adherent” (I think, although I would always describe myself as a LCFC adherent) I thought I’d just copy and paste my response to this accusation that I posted on another thread (above).
My own view is that we wasted much of the last close season negotiating new contracts with our existing playing staff and were not active enough in the transfer market. After finally finding a system of playing that suited our squad towards the end of last season, we looked like a team that could win games. I was looking forward to a close season that built on our squad, system of playing and team ethos, with carefully scouted, quality, recruitment.
Instead we’ve wasted much of the close season (again!) changing the manager (not arguing over the decision, just the inarguable fact that we’ve lost time). We’re now playing catch up again and are desperately short of numbers – specifically in midfield. Not knowing the facts changing the manager looks a dangerous gamble. With the facts this might have been a much more obvious course of action.
None of this, of course, is Ranieri’s fault. He gets my unequivocal support and I will only judge him, going forward, on his performance as a Leicester manager. That doesn’t mean that I think changing the manager, to any manager, is without risk and one with Ranieri’s track record something of a gamble…… which brings me back nicely to where I started (with the copy and pasted comment above).
comment by johngee (U5021)
posted 9 minutes ago
The marvels of this communication age - just had whatsapp from my son -currently in Peru - that there is twitter confirmation of direct telephone call between Ranieri and Cambiasso
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Why didn't he just watch Ranieri say it on Sky Sports?
I'm travelling back from Leeds but I'm hearing on Talksport he's given an interview on Cambiasso. He's pleaded with him to stay and needs an answer now
This has been in the news all afternoon apparently
Probably not available on top of a mountain in Peru ..... well as my article was posted early this morning my suggestion that a telephone call between the two was obvious seems prophetic.... I heard about it yesterday - no big secret
BS my boys contact deals with the players and he did not know him well then so we can dismiss that but please tell me where i have been wrong about Cambiasso. How can it be any clearer a txt from Cambiasso's phone on the day his contracts ends?
comment by johngee (U5021)
posted 4 minutes ago
Probably not available on top of a mountain in Peru ..... well as my article was posted early this morning my suggestion that a telephone call between the two was obvious seems prophetic.... I heard about it yesterday - no big secret
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If you heard about it yesterday, why did you suggest the blinding obvious that one "would be taken" rather than was taken?
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posted on 20/7/15
Nothing like trying to Stoak up division on the board !
posted on 20/7/15
Let's just hope the smug Pearson haters aren't feeling the sting of relegation with the rest of us this time next season...
And it's funny how Nev was only poster on here who has stated all along that Cambiasso wasn't going to renew his contract. Now it looks as though he's definitely off, more posters are coming out with Cambiasso 'facts'.
posted on 20/7/15
100% agree John if he was going to stay he would have signed in May. Time to move on
posted on 20/7/15
I Don't know Fox sometimes i feel like i am talking to myself. Why are we still debating it he left ages ago and we are still talking if he is still our player.
Much more interesting the midfield options being put forward and new strikers.
posted on 20/7/15
How very generous of you JG to be neutral in your assessment of Ranieri, when neither a ball has been kicked nor a player signed. It is, of course, impossible to be anything other than neutral in those circumstances.
I am one of the Pearson 'adherents' as you put it, although I haven't posted on the subject of either his departure or Ranieri's appointment. I assume you are therefore referring to others who have.
However, I am both underwhelmed and slightly concerned by the appointment of a man in the latter stages of his managerial career, whose achievements can at best be described as reasonable.
It is a fact that he has not lasted 2 years in any of the last 7 managerial jobs he has held, the majority of those being sackings after going on alarming winless streaks (sound familiar?)
You have previously advocated up-and-coming managerial appointments; the likes of Eddie Howe, Paul Clement and Sean Dyche have frequently been put forward by you as well as a number of lesser-known foreign coaches.
I would have thought an appointment who is such a polar opposite to the wish-list above might have attracted a stronger opinion from you, or was this simply one final opportunity for you to stick the boot in your nemesis all along?
posted on 20/7/15
Well clearly Ranieri was not on my own preferred list of candidates but is entitled -as was Pearson on his first appointment- to be given a chance to succeed. In this he requires the support of the club and supporters and I hope he receives this.
My instinct is that he will at least bring a period of measured behaviour and dignity to the club which it surely needs - also his contacts should assist in terms of signing players either on loan or transfer.
I wish him well.
posted on 20/7/15
Hold on Ranieri's asked Cambiasso to come back well its never dull round here.
posted on 20/7/15
Cambiasso is gone - we need to remove him from the reckoning. And actually, when you do it's really rather a worry. Our squad was already horribly imbalanced, and this summer's activities so far have only worsened that situation.
Ranieri has said he wants to persist with the 5-3-2 formation from last season, and it can't have escaped his notice that whilst we have six (yes...SIX) attackers/strikers we only have three fit midfielders at the whole club. They are King, Drinkwater and Hammond - hardly an inspiring premier league midfield unit!
Similarly we have three full-backs on each side (Fuchs, Schlupp, Konch on the left, Albrighton, De Laet and Simpson on the right) but only four centre backs to choose from for three places.
Whilst we're very strong down the flanks and up top, the spine of the team is worryingly lacking in both numbers and quality.
That's not a good position to be in just a few weeks from the start of the season regardless of who is the manager.
posted on 20/7/15
It is my belief that Cambiasso needs and seeks a new challenge. Almost impossible for him to re-instigate his impact here a second time.
However what is clear- is that the presence of Ranieri has reinvigorated the contact. As suggested in my article - a direct phone call would be possible and accepted between the two because of their common ground. This has taken place.
This is in contrast to the suggestion that Ranieri would be an obstacle
posted on 20/7/15
Lets not forget that nothing is official on Cambiasso. Nev has said he isn't staying all along and that his mind was made up in June.
The papers reckon a deal was verbally agreed in June, that could be right or wrong.
If Cambiasso leaves it won't necessarily be anything to do with Ranieri but it's not unreasonable to suggest that the disruption around NPs sacking could have had an impact
No one on this board knows what discussions have been had between Cambiasso and Leicester. No one knows for definite if he will be in a Leicester shirt or a West Ham one next season or playing in a different league entirely END OF!
I've never tried to make out I'm in the know, I just pass on what I read and draw my own conclusions which we are all entitled to do. I haven't said Nev is wrong or right, I believe he's seen a text that suggests Cambiasso is leaving. It's just that I think there is more to it than that.
Leicester haven't given up on him yet apparently....
posted on 20/7/15
comment by johngee (U5021)
posted 8 minutes ago
It is my belief that Cambiasso needs and seeks a new challenge. Almost impossible for him to re-instigate his impact here a second time.
However what is clear- is that the presence of Ranieri has reinvigorated the contact. As suggested in my article - a direct phone call would be possible and accepted between the two because of their common ground. This has taken place.
This is in contrast to the suggestion that Ranieri would be an obstacle
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There nothing unreasonable to draw the conclusion that Cambiasso might not relish playing under Ranieri given their previous poor relationship at Inter.
I've never stated that as a fact, I have no idea, equally you don't know exactly how much contact Ranieri has had with Cambiasso thus far.
No one knows, it's speculation. The one thing I will say is that very trusted sources have said that prior to this upheaval Cambiasso was set to stay. Believe what you like but try and understand that it's not ME saying this.
posted on 20/7/15
BS he has left... as i said the end of June. If he comes back thats only because the new manager has made him change his mind add JG's info to mine cant you see that?
posted on 20/7/15
What is obvious is that dealings with Cambiasso are not easy, look at the time it took him to finally come last year.
He could have had his pick of many Clubs if he so wished for a "new challenge",
I personally could fully understand if he wanted to wait to see what quality signings were brought in before committing himself to another season with us, fighting another relegation battle might not have been what he wanted but with the right signings could we challenge for top half finish.
I'll wait to see what happens but won't be worrying about what anyone claimed they knew because I don't believe anyone knows anything about him.
posted on 20/7/15
Both the Italian football writer James Horncastle and SSN have intimated that Cambiasso had an iffy relationship with Cambiasso.
I am sure there are a myriad of reasons why Cambiasso probably isn't staying and perhaps the appointment will have confirmed to him he wants another challenge
posted on 20/7/15
I find this post somewhat hypocritical even if I agree with it.
We are supposed to sit back and allow you to repeatedly slate Pearson and not back him despite him being manager of our club, but now we should all get behind Ranieri.... because he's the manager of our club?
I'm not sure I can go with that. If Ranieri turns out I be hugely successful and take our club forward (which I hope he does), then it can be seen to be a good move. But until then, the reality is we've just remove the most successful manager we've had for 10 years and replaced him with a very different type of man.
As any manager has when they join our club, Ranieri has my full support.
But if he fails to deliver on the pitch, I will question the decision, and I will criticise the appointment on forums like this.
I don't quite undersand how a few sceptical opinions of Ranieri shouldn't be allowed. We've just listened to you criticise (unfairly in my opinion) Pearson for his whole (very successful) tenure at our club.
I'll move on from Pearson when I see Ranieri delive in the pitch. Until then, the jury has to be out doesn't it?
posted on 20/7/15
Haha that doesn't make sense I meant Ranieri had an iffy relationship with cambiasso
posted on 20/7/15
Mersey, you missed the clever wording to counter your argument where JG refers only to his first spell in charge!
posted on 20/7/15
Nev, i don't doubt he has left the club, his deal finished on 30th.
Are Johns sources better than yours? Are they better than John Percy's? I have no idea but being as neither of you called Pearsons sacking in feb and the media did, then you can't blame me for opting to believe their sources on Cambiasso.
If Cambiasso signs it could be because of Ranieri. Or it could be money. Or captaincy, or because he likes the nightlife down Narborough Road, No one will really know for sure
posted on 20/7/15
The marvels of this communication age - just had whatsapp from my son -currently in Peru - that there is twitter confirmation of direct telephone call between Ranieri and Cambiasso
posted on 20/7/15
___________________________
There is always a possibility in times like this that people will confuse a healthy or constructive scepticism with a lack of support. I don’t think anyone here is suggesting that they won’t get behind the new guy, but it’s not necessarily wrong to voice some concern about the appointment. At this stage it can only be a concern based on evidence of performance at previous clubs, because we have no evidence of what he’ll do for Leicester City.
The issue of whether he’s more chance of keeping us up than Nigel Pearson is largely redundant, although we can call as evidence the fact that NP has kept us up once whereas we can only speculate about where we’ll finish under Claudio Ranieri. My personal view is that the chances of success have probably increased slightly, but the chances of relegation have also increased greatly. In other words we’ve gambled and hugely increased the risk.
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As a “Pearson adherent” (I think, although I would always describe myself as a LCFC adherent) I thought I’d just copy and paste my response to this accusation that I posted on another thread (above).
My own view is that we wasted much of the last close season negotiating new contracts with our existing playing staff and were not active enough in the transfer market. After finally finding a system of playing that suited our squad towards the end of last season, we looked like a team that could win games. I was looking forward to a close season that built on our squad, system of playing and team ethos, with carefully scouted, quality, recruitment.
Instead we’ve wasted much of the close season (again!) changing the manager (not arguing over the decision, just the inarguable fact that we’ve lost time). We’re now playing catch up again and are desperately short of numbers – specifically in midfield. Not knowing the facts changing the manager looks a dangerous gamble. With the facts this might have been a much more obvious course of action.
None of this, of course, is Ranieri’s fault. He gets my unequivocal support and I will only judge him, going forward, on his performance as a Leicester manager. That doesn’t mean that I think changing the manager, to any manager, is without risk and one with Ranieri’s track record something of a gamble…… which brings me back nicely to where I started (with the copy and pasted comment above).
posted on 20/7/15
comment by johngee (U5021)
posted 9 minutes ago
The marvels of this communication age - just had whatsapp from my son -currently in Peru - that there is twitter confirmation of direct telephone call between Ranieri and Cambiasso
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Why didn't he just watch Ranieri say it on Sky Sports?
posted on 20/7/15
I'm travelling back from Leeds but I'm hearing on Talksport he's given an interview on Cambiasso. He's pleaded with him to stay and needs an answer now
This has been in the news all afternoon apparently
posted on 20/7/15
Probably not available on top of a mountain in Peru ..... well as my article was posted early this morning my suggestion that a telephone call between the two was obvious seems prophetic.... I heard about it yesterday - no big secret
posted on 20/7/15
BS my boys contact deals with the players and he did not know him well then so we can dismiss that but please tell me where i have been wrong about Cambiasso. How can it be any clearer a txt from Cambiasso's phone on the day his contracts ends?
posted on 20/7/15
comment by johngee (U5021)
posted 4 minutes ago
Probably not available on top of a mountain in Peru ..... well as my article was posted early this morning my suggestion that a telephone call between the two was obvious seems prophetic.... I heard about it yesterday - no big secret
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If you heard about it yesterday, why did you suggest the blinding obvious that one "would be taken" rather than was taken?
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